HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » So who's our boss now? Wh...

Sat May 16, 2015, 07:26 PM

So who's our boss now? Who has our politicians firmly in hand?

First off, I neither trust nor like Fox News Democratic (?) strategist Kirsten Powers. I find it hard to believe the name of her new book... “The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech”. ''

But in 2011 when the Democratic Leadership Council, our old policy shop by their own words, died it just automatically became the Third Way. Her post from that time at The Daily Beast was very clear on that.

DLC Shut Down: The Democrats’ New Power Base

The Democratic Leadership Council may be shutting down, but the progressives haven't won. Centrism is alive and well in the think tank Third Way, whose advice on health care and the economy has swayed the White House.

Monday’s news that the Democratic Leadership Council is folding after three decades was greeted with glee by those on the left who see it as evidence that centrism has gasped its last breath.

Not so fast.

...Third Way was launched in 2005 with four employees and has since has grown into a serious player within the party, with 37 staffers and a budget of $7.5 million. It was founded by veteran Democratic politicos—Jon Cowan, Jim Kessler, Matt Bennett, and Nancy Hale—who previously launched and ran a successful centrist gun control organization, Americans for Gun Safety.

...These are no mere hacks. They are as steeped in the policy as they are wise about the political realities that Democrats face in a country where liberals are a distinct minority. They don’t deign to tell Americans what they should believe—the favorite game of too many liberals—but instead craft realistic policy proposals that have a chance of gaining some sort of popular support.


And catch this part:

More recently, when the White House announced that the theme of the upcoming State of the Union would be shifting from “economic security” to “economic growth,” a light bulb went off. The phrase was one I had heard time and again from Third Way, which had been arguing that Democrats needed to make a dramatic shift away from focusing on the safety net and economic security to an aspirational, positive vision of private sector economic growth. It turns out Third Way formulated a memo making this case that made its way to the White House, and a new strategy was adopted.


Remember the Chained CPI? That was their brainchild as well.

The head of the Third Way, Jonathan Cowan, has spoken out for cutting Social Security benefits since the 90s. Here is an editorial by him from 1993.

An Appeal To Grandma And Grandpa

We write to ask for your help. We're in a financial mess, and unless everyone in our family gets together to fix the problem, we're heading for "economic and fiscal catastrophe." That's not a phrase we picked up on MTV-it's from a recent U.S. government report on the budget deficit.

.... We are not ungrateful. We respect and value the sacrifices you've made for our country and have no desire to take money away from those in need. But our generation is in trouble. We were educated in a collapsing school system. Our incomes and skill levels are lower than any previous generation-by the year 2000 over one-third of younger Americans will be living in poverty. And we will be the first Americans to inherit a lower standard of living than our parents.

We're not asking that your generation solve all our problems. And there certainly are many other programs that also must be cut to get the deficit under control. But Social Security must be considered, just like everything else in the budget.


And a post by Markos at Daily Kos in 2013 really hits the pertinent points.

Third Way fantasizes that Democrats want a more conservative Obama

With the demise of the corporatist right-wing Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), Third Way has filled the void. Unlike the then-flashy and public DLC, Third Way operates mostly in the shadows, presenting as small a target as possible while insidiously worming its way into the D.C. party establishment.

....All of this is par for the course for an organization that offered up this terrible pre-election advice:

"By siding with public anger against big banks and pushing for higher taxes on millionaires, Obama may make Americans more unhappy about wide income inequality, which could hurt his re-election bid.

"Populism is predicated on people feeling that they are getting the short stick," said Jim Kessler, vice president for policy at Third Way, a nonpartisan think-tank in Washington.

"In tough economic times, optimists win presidential races and pessimists lose. It is very hard to be both a populist and have a sunny view of America's future," Kessler said."


Markos quotes a Pew study:

So what about the New Dems/Third Way/DLC types? Pew calls them "post-moderns":

Post-Moderns are largely white, well-educated and affluent. They also share a relatively secular outlook on some social issues, including homosexuality and abortion (...)

Post-Moderns are less supportive of increased aid for the needy and are far less likely to view racial discrimination as the main obstacle to African American progress."


And his own words:

These are Wall Street asshole corporatist Democrats (which literally dominate Third Way). They are correct on social issues, very very wrong on economic ones.


And I would expect Simon Rosenberg regrets ever saying these words about changing the party so as not to need its traditional constituents.

"Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."


Yes, I quoted that before and will quote it again. The groups changed in name only.

The corporations are still our bosses.




34 replies, 2881 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 34 replies Author Time Post
Reply So who's our boss now? Who has our politicians firmly in hand? (Original post)
madfloridian May 2015 OP
marym625 May 2015 #1
cantbeserious May 2015 #2
madfloridian May 2015 #3
FlatBaroque May 2015 #4
madfloridian May 2015 #5
SusanCalvin May 2015 #7
F4lconF16 May 2015 #23
SusanCalvin May 2015 #6
madfloridian May 2015 #24
waddirum May 2015 #28
pa28 May 2015 #8
Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #9
madfloridian May 2015 #10
BeanMusical May 2015 #15
fredamae May 2015 #26
antigop May 2015 #11
antigop May 2015 #12
Enthusiast May 2015 #13
DJ13 May 2015 #17
madfloridian May 2015 #19
DJ13 May 2015 #20
madfloridian May 2015 #21
merrily May 2015 #14
BeanMusical May 2015 #16
liberal_at_heart May 2015 #18
madfloridian May 2015 #33
daredtowork May 2015 #22
RiverLover May 2015 #25
madfloridian May 2015 #27
merrily May 2015 #34
Octafish May 2015 #29
madfloridian May 2015 #30
sabrina 1 May 2015 #31
madfloridian May 2015 #32

Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 07:30 PM

1. K&R!

Great post!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 07:41 PM

2. Thank You For Sharing

eom

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cantbeserious (Reply #2)

Sat May 16, 2015, 07:53 PM

3. You are welcome.

They took over the party from "regular" people.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 08:43 PM

4. Can't lose strategy by our oligarchy

Move the Democratic party to the right and the Republican party into the clown car.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #4)

Sat May 16, 2015, 08:59 PM

5. ....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #4)

Sat May 16, 2015, 09:18 PM

7. Yeah, and the clowns ain't funny. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #4)

Sun May 17, 2015, 03:18 AM

23. Ah, but it is.

They're not going to be able to hide from the drastic effects their actions will have on the world, I think. Climate change will be arriving in force, and we've barely begun.

They can only insulate themselves so much. Eventually the people will have their say.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 08:37 AM

24. Thanks for those lyrics.

Interesting, first time I've seen them. Some get fooled again and again.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #6)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:04 AM

28. I just saw The Who last Wednesday in Chicago

The closed with "Wont Get Fooled Again".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 09:22 PM

8. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 09:24 PM

9. What they are really saying...

"We are not ungrateful. We respect and value the sacrifices you've made for our country and have no desire to take money away from those in need. But our generation is in trouble. We were educated in a collapsing school system. Our incomes and skill levels are lower than any previous generation-by the year 2000 over one-third of younger Americans will be living in poverty. And we will be the first Americans to inherit a lower standard of living than our parents."

So hurry up and die, and we will assist your early demise.

3rdWay is to D as TeaParty is to R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #9)

Sat May 16, 2015, 09:25 PM

10. .....



Thanks. Exactly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #9)

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:29 PM

15. "3rdWay is to D as TeaParty is to R"

Absolutely!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #9)

Sun May 17, 2015, 09:07 AM

26. "3rdWay is to D as TeaParty is to R" Yes, it is

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:01 PM

11. "These are Wall Street asshole corporatist Democrats". nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:02 PM

12. thanks, mad. Do they post on DU? nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:03 PM

13. Those quotes make absolutely no sense.

"By siding with public anger against big banks and pushing for higher taxes on millionaires, Obama may make Americans more unhappy about wide income inequality, which could hurt his re-election bid.

"Populism is predicated on people feeling that they are getting the short stick," said Jim Kessler, vice president for policy at Third Way, a nonpartisan think-tank in Washington.

"In tough economic times, optimists win presidential races and pessimists lose. It is very hard to be both a populist and have a sunny view of America's future," Kessler said."


In other words he wants the Democratic Party to embrace trickle down/supply side.

I think they only pretend to want Democrats to win. Their true objective is for Democrats to lose.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Enthusiast (Reply #13)

Sat May 16, 2015, 11:13 PM

17. I think they only pretend to want Democrats to win. Their true objective is for Democrats to lose.


They seem to be agnostic about party affiliation, its the economic class (and increasing the incomes of the 1%) that really matters to them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DJ13 (Reply #17)

Sat May 16, 2015, 11:28 PM

19. They have their goals. Either party could fulfill them.

IMO the word "bipartisan" could be their main goal.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Reply #19)

Sat May 16, 2015, 11:33 PM

20. the word "bipartisan" could be their main goal.


I really have begun to hate that word!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DJ13 (Reply #20)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:54 AM

21. They tried "post partisan" for a while.

But that didn't go over too well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:13 PM

14. Centrism is alive and well in a number of Democratic think tanks, not only Third Way.

Progressive Policy Institute and New Democrat Network were both begun by DLCers; New Policy Institute, which is an affiliate of the New Democrat Network, Center for American Progress, founded by Podesta, who worked for President Clinton and is now working for Hillary's campaign.

I am sure there are more.

These were listed in a 2005 DU thread as being "progressive," sometimes code for "New Democrat," sometimes not, but I have not checked them out.

www.newamerica.net
www.tcf.org
www.americanprogress.org
www.urban.org
www.epinet.org .

The thread came up when I googled "liberal think tanks" but, as you might gather, "liberal" is being used loosely. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1603546

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 10:31 PM

16. Kick and R.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2015, 11:14 PM

18. The Democratic Party bought into Reagan's Trickle Down Economics. They believed they

could all get rich and have some trickle down to the rest of us. Well, they got rich alright, but there is no trickle down to the rest of us. We must begin voting in politicians who are willing to divorce themselves from Trickle Down Economics.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #18)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:42 PM

33. That is true.

It has caused us to lose elections which I believe we could have won if we had acted like the opposition party we should be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 03:16 AM

22. Those Kos Quotes are Surreal

Considering he advocated pushing all the progressives off the Berkeley city council and advocated for the measure that let Big Development run rampant, exacerbating property speculation and the current housing crisis. He was also for the law to prevent homeless people from being able to sit on sidewalks and (falsely) made claims he feared for the safety of his wife.

Kos is very much Third Way Local, but Progressive on TV.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 08:42 AM

25. R & K!!

Great post madfloridian. The sooner we all acknowledge this, the sooner we can get back to being an actual Democracy again.

For the people, not for Moneyed Interests that buy our representatives.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RiverLover (Reply #25)

Sun May 17, 2015, 10:59 AM

27. Good point.

That we have to acknowledge it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RiverLover (Reply #25)

Mon May 18, 2015, 03:50 AM

34. Acknowledging it would, one way or another, decrease the disposable income of quite a few.

Hence, we more denial, blather and mind-fucking attempts than we get acknowledgement of the plain and obvious reality.


It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
Upton Sinclair.



Someone needs to educate the general public, many of whom are still blissfully unaware of a fundamental division within the Party. For now, I'm counting on Bernie's run for the Presidency to move that boulder forward a lot.

As for the rest, "let it go."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 11:10 AM

29. Rupert's flunky Roger Ailes only lets the ''Right'' people on air.

With Fox News Liberals, Who Needs Conservatives?

They play the left on Rupert Murdoch’s TV

By Steve Rendall
FAIR, March 1, 2012

Fox News co-host and contributor Bob Beckel has called for the assassination of WikiLeaks spokesperson Julian Assange (“A dead man can’t leak stuff”—Follow the Money, 12/6/10), for furnishing guns to school children (“If you give your kid a gun, no bullying”—Five, 1/5/12) and for militant opposition to the “War on Christmas,” which is “completely out of hand” (Five, 12/9/11).

These views are anything but out of place on Fox News, where hosts and commentators are known for fantasizing about murdering progressives (FAIR Blog, 11/10/10), deifying gun ownership (Beck, 6/29/11) and courageously confronting those who would wish them happy holidays (O’Reilly Factor, 11/17/11).

But Beckel is presented as a left-leaning voice on Fox, a counterweight to the network’s army of right-leaning talkers. And he’s far from an atypical specimen there.

As one of five co-hosts on Fox’s new program the Five, Beckel is supposed to serve as foil to four conservative co-hosts. That’s the theory. In reality, Beckel more than occasionally joins his conservative counterparts. (Typically, Five panelists include former George W. Bush aide Dana Perino, Fox News Red Eye anchor Greg Gutfield, Fox legal commentator Kimberly Guilfoyle and Fox Business Network host Eric Bolling.)

For instance, when Beckel’s colleague Bolling (Five, 12/14/11) recounted how he’d kicked a representative from the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) off his Fox Business show (Follow the Money,12/12/11) for opposing the display of a nativity scene at a Texas courthouse, Beckel bluntly approved: “Good.” When Five co-host Greg Gutfield (12/9/11) compared FFRF to a woman who’d once demanded that he put out his cigarette, Beckel’s only response was, “Did you deck her?”

Discussing charges that GOP Rep. Mark Foley (Fla.) had exchanged inappropriate messages with male congressional pages (Hannity & Colmes, 10/2/06), Beckel suggested that Foley, because he’s gay, should have been kept away from pages to begin with, likening him to a notorious bank robber: “If Willie Sutton is around some place where a bank is robbed, then you’re probably going to say, ‘Willie, stay away from the robbery.’”

CONTINUED...

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/with-fox-news-liberals-who-needs-conservatives/

Wouldn't want the masses to get any ideas, madfloridian.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Octafish (Reply #29)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:41 PM

30. Wow, very enlightening article from FAIR about Fox style Democrats.

I am willing to bet that many here at DU now are not familiar with these Fox Democrats...

Of course, Beckel isn’t the “one and only,” but just one of the latest representatives of the species of pundit known as the Fox News liberal. Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes was famous for conceding points to conservatives and Republicans —unsurprisingly, as he was hand-picked for the spot by Hannity, the real star of the show (Extra!, 11-12/03). Colmes never seemed to tire of assuring right-leaning guests that he voted for New York City’s Republican Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

....For years, Susan Estrich, former campaign manager for 1988 Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis, was one of Fox’s leading tepid liberals. (Sean Hannity—Hannity & Colmes, 5/23/04—has called her “my favorite liberal.”) Her politics were epitomized by a 1995 USA Today column (6/22/95) headlined “Let Clinton Be the Centrist Clinton.” During the 2003 California gubernatorial campaign, Estrich defended candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger against charges he had physically assaulted numerous women (Extra!, 1-2/04); after he won, Estrich accepted a job working on his transition team (AP, 10/10/03).

Former United States Sen. Zell Miller (D.-Ga.) had been a regular guest on Fox when he delivered a keynote address endorsing George W. Bush at the 2004 GOP convention. The speech was so bitterly disparaging to Bush opponent John Kerry and other Democrats that the Bush White House attempted to distance itself from it (MSNBC.com, 9/3/04). When questioned by NBC’s Chris Matthews about his misrepresentations of Kerry’s record, Miller angrily responded, “I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel” (FAIR Media Advisory, 9/3/04).

A Fox News natural, Miller was hired as a contributor even before his 2005 retirement from the U.S. Senate, the same year the Washington Post (8/15/05) quoted him at a religious conference co-sponsored by the far-right Family Research Council, saying the Supreme Court had “removed prayer from our public schools…legalized the barbaric killing of unborn babies, and…is ready to discard like an outdated hula hoop the universal institution of marriage between a man and a woman.”

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:58 PM

31. Great post, thank you. Cowen is a right wing hack posing as a Dem. What IS interesting

is Kos's 'evolution' from avid supporter of the DLC/Third Way, to now seemingly opposed to them.

I was on his site when he sounded like more like Rosenberg in that quote:

"Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."


Kos's position was exactly that, telling members, women especially, and minorities, that 'we are not going to lose elections because of YOUR 'pet issues'. Slamming liberals who expressed concerns over the party's swing to the right.

That battle on that site was epic, with hundreds of women leaving and setting up other blogs where they were free from the constant attacks of those who sided with Markos.

If he has had a genuine change of heart, that's a good thing. But I recall when those whose issues he called 'pet issues' and 'ponies' reminded him they were contributing members of his site and had a right to say what they thought, he posted an OP telling them 'I don't need or want your money' and cancelled his fund raisers there for a while.

Now it appears he is again asking for members to contribute.

Just wondering about his change of heart re the DLC/Third Way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #31)

Sun May 17, 2015, 01:23 PM

32. I remember those times well.

Very unpleasant. I guess only time will tell what his positions turn out to be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread