Fri May 8, 2015, 07:26 AM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
Edward Snowden is a hero. Crimes by our government against us
extend even beyond the illegal collection of metadata. We live in a sweeping corporate surveillance state whose capabilities are unrivaled by any totalitarian government of the past.
Snowden is a national hero, and he has given us perhaps our only chance to end the subversion of our democratic government by criminals. The Creepy, Long-Standing Practice of Undersea Cable Tapping
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023277224 What is the NSA really for? (Corporate power and suppression of dissent) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024215519 "Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors” http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508 Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism http://www.democraticunderground.com/111643982 NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923016 Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146372 Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024106205 NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983519 NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024204596 2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585 OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769 NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852 Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861 Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620 Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919 Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307 Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303 NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688 Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655 Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702 NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803 NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289 Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323 While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581 How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans, http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187 Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464 Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039 NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078 Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596 Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056] FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578 FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064 Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291 Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967 The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527 Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474 Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists.... http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621 Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414 From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941 The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742 Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570 Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059 Social Media and the Stasi http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029 Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823 CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285 “I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.” http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128 Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281 How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009 Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687 US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770 DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091 One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control' http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025225549 Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509395 U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024488178 Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014549454 President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x536574 Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers http://www.democraticunderground.com/101613051 James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A . http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025401662 An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025030391 Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014808253 Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919 NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say .. http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562 Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023337088 NSA can store a billion cell phone calls. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023125853 N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329 PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/55928/pbs-frontline-exposes-softly-bushs-and-obamas-authorization-and-coverup-of-nsa-illegal-surveillance-of- Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama) ...http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416709 Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025383806 Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531 James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990 Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232435/-Rachel-Maddow-on-David-Miranda-and-the-White-House Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6380567 Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change http://www.obamatheconservative.com/ Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014860709'' Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation "My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'" http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025339047 Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/further-legitimizing-targeted-assassinations-by-drones/ Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022960012 Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014843337 Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War http://www.democraticunderground.com/11781446 NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688 DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4410768 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz2qKWem3w8 Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954 DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389 DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021911441 Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586380 NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say .. http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562 The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586369 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527 Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans http://www.democraticunderground.com/1168570 DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586375 Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen) http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216 http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/04/obamas-war-journalism-coming-head http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269998 Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002650922 http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5585204 Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801804 Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014487549 Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407823 Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/doj-sits-on-its-thumbs/ Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5427407 Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships http://www.forfeiturereform.com/exporting_corruption_doj_looks_for_lucrative_overseas_partnerships Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/05/obama_s_justice_department_holder_s_leak_investigations_are_outrageous_and.html The DoJ under Obama/Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846735 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0 Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024906501 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017201343 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025558689 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014571503 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025503531 Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014170619 Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’ http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025309330 Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880788 Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334909 How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023253563 Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492539 US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023086724 Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455121 US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/09/raid-s29.html ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/aclu-sues-doj-ignores-surveillance-transparency-law Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941 The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/27/obama-war-on-whistleblowers-purpose DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784727 Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101952 Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114180 DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/al-franken-eric-holder_n_2934627.html Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962 Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman, Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court. http://www.opednews.com/articles/Elena-Kagan--Willing-Acco-by-Michael-Collins-100622-971.html Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954 Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450 When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Third Way Democrats are just as bad as Republicans. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960
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Author | Time | Post |
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woo me with science | May 2015 | OP |
Scuba | May 2015 | #1 | |
Rockyj | May 2015 | #41 | |
stonecutter357 | May 2015 | #2 | |
Demeter | May 2015 | #4 | |
Cali_Democrat | May 2015 | #35 | |
hueymahl | May 2015 | #11 | |
Dustlawyer | May 2015 | #17 | |
sabrina 1 | May 2015 | #15 | |
nashville_brook | May 2015 | #27 | |
KG | May 2015 | #28 | |
Cheese Sandwich | May 2015 | #3 | |
woo me with science | May 2015 | #5 | |
Fuddnik | May 2015 | #6 | |
Cali_Democrat | May 2015 | #37 | |
Octafish | May 2015 | #7 | |
woo me with science | May 2015 | #38 | |
Thespian2 | May 2015 | #8 | |
sabrina 1 | May 2015 | #16 | |
Thespian2 | May 2015 | #31 | |
woo me with science | May 2015 | #48 | |
sabrina 1 | May 2015 | #49 | |
AzDar | May 2015 | #9 | |
TerrapinFlyer | May 2015 | #10 | |
d_legendary1 | May 2015 | #19 | |
TerrapinFlyer | May 2015 | #20 | |
rhett o rick | May 2015 | #32 | |
Enthusiast | May 2015 | #12 | |
hueymahl | May 2015 | #13 | |
SamKnause | May 2015 | #14 | |
zeemike | May 2015 | #18 | |
navarth | May 2015 | #21 | |
BeanMusical | May 2015 | #22 | |
WillyT | May 2015 | #23 | |
Cryptoad | May 2015 | #24 | |
rhett o rick | May 2015 | #33 | |
Cryptoad | May 2015 | #39 | |
rhett o rick | May 2015 | #40 | |
Cryptoad | May 2015 | #45 | |
rhett o rick | May 2015 | #46 | |
Cryptoad | May 2015 | #47 | |
JEB | May 2015 | #25 | |
cstanleytech | May 2015 | #26 | |
Blue_Tires | May 2015 | #29 | |
Octafish | May 2015 | #30 | |
gratuitous | May 2015 | #36 | |
Logical | May 2015 | #34 | |
bananas | May 2015 | #42 | |
Logical | May 2015 | #44 | |
bananas | May 2015 | #43 |
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:28 AM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
1. K&R for the sad, sad truth.
Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:05 AM
Rockyj (538 posts)
41. My heart use to ache...
until after I realized WE were TRULY lied to by Obama & the Neo-liberalism version of the the DEMOCRATIC PARTY! http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376
WE now know all a long he was owned by Wall Street just as the Bushes & Clinton's! Sadly PROGRESSIVES FELL FOR HIS BS & I think of him as bad relationship where deep down the woman knows he will never commit but will accept crumbs just to keep the relationship going. |
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:44 AM
stonecutter357 (12,376 posts)
2. hyperbolic nonsense.
Hopefully Snowden will stand trial for his crimes.
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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:50 AM
Demeter (85,373 posts)
4. Crime? Against Whom?
What person has Edward Snowden injured? And don't call the illegal Police State or the would-be enslaving Corporation a person, please!
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Response to Demeter (Reply #4)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:35 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
35. Then Snowden has nothing to fear coming home and facing a jury.
He committed no crimes.
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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:30 AM
hueymahl (2,046 posts)
11. Very Trollish
Drive-by pot shot, no content.
Versus about as complete and thorough an indictment as one could craft. |
Response to hueymahl (Reply #11)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:51 AM
Dustlawyer (10,121 posts)
17. I believe some were/are paid trolls used to divert attention from the actual spying and
have it focused on the one who leaked it. Call me Captain Obvious, but it needs to be repeated. The story quickly focused on Snowden and away from the spying, it was pretty clear to those who bother to think. Because we allowed the narrative to change we all but guaranteed to quash future whistle blowers from blowing the whistle.
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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:46 AM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
15. If facts become 'hyberbolic nonsense' we will be in an Orwellian nightmare. But surprisingly
despite all the propaganda and scare tactics we have been subjected to, in an attempt to create a world where war criminals and economic criminals are either 'just immoral, not criminal' or 'patriots under pressure' while honest, ethical men and women of character are the bad guys, the American People STILL are not buying it.
Snowden is viewed as a Whistle Blower, not the criminal our government has tried to paint him, by a majority of the American people, and a hero to many around the world. And another post that refutes NOTHING in the OP, mainly because it is irrefutable information and the truth doesn't change. |
Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:11 AM
nashville_brook (20,958 posts)
27. awwww...authoritarians have a sad.
Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:25 AM
KG (28,691 posts)
28. hyperbolic sock puppet.
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:45 AM
Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)
3. He ought to receive a full pardon...
or at least a promise of leniency
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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #3)
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:55 AM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
5. Hell, he ought to receive
a monument on the National Mall. |
Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:00 AM
Fuddnik (8,846 posts)
6. Along with the Congressional Medal of Freedom.
Maybe the one they gave George Tenat.
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Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:38 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
37. LOL
It would be very cool if he had a monument in DC.
Maybe we can put it next to the Lincoln memorial...or what about the MLK memorial? Lincoln, MLK and.......Snowden. ![]() |
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:03 AM
Octafish (55,745 posts)
7. The Goal of Wholesale Surveillance
![]() The goal of wholesale surveillance, [font color="green"]as (Hannah) Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” [/font color]And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant. Chris Hedges, The Last Gasp of American Democracy Thank you for another outstanding OP, woo me with science. KBR. |
Response to Octafish (Reply #7)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:06 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
38. Thank you!
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:04 AM
Thespian2 (2,741 posts)
8. Take a while to read all these again...
Progressives should be extremely supportive of Edward Snowden's revelations...Any program that truly helps the people should be able to withstand the sunlight...not grow with mushrooms in a cave...
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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #8)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:49 AM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
16. Fortunatey progressives are supportive of Snowden and al the other Whistle Blowers going back to
Drake during the Bush hears.
And the good news is that despite every attempt to paint these whistle blowers as criminals, a majority of the American people and all over the world, still are not buying it. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)
Fri May 8, 2015, 04:59 PM
Thespian2 (2,741 posts)
31. Yes, I agree
Thanks.
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)
Sun May 10, 2015, 08:42 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
48. +10000000000
The propaganda does not fly anymore. Partly because it is so obviously lying propaganda. ![]() |
Response to woo me with science (Reply #48)
Mon May 11, 2015, 12:27 AM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
49. It's getting harder for them for sure. What was revealed is what people are interested
in, how their rights are being violated, not in the messenger other than to be thankful there are people like Snowden, courageous enough to stand up when it is needed.
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:08 AM
AzDar (14,023 posts)
9. K & R
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:26 AM
TerrapinFlyer (277 posts)
10. "Snowden is a national hero"
delusional... most Americans don't even know who he is.
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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #10)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:07 AM
d_legendary1 (2,586 posts)
19. Sure they do. According to the MSM he's they guy who turned traitor/hero
Well...depending who which talking head show you watch.
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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #19)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:10 AM
TerrapinFlyer (277 posts)
20. The average American doesn't even know who the Vice President is...
and you think they know who Snowden is?
that's funny! |
Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #20)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:25 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
32. Does it bother you when someone dares to speak out against the Oligarch Authority?
Often heroes are not well known.
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:35 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
12. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!
I like this. "We live in a sweeping corporate surveillance state whose capabilities are unrivaled by any totalitarian government of the past."
Unrivaled. The United States used to warn us about the East German Stasi. The Stasi was bad. No doubt. But the surveillance capabilities were nowhere near what the NSA routinely does to ordinary, innocent American citizens. And remember, the United States is not supposed to have a totalitarian government. |
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:37 AM
hueymahl (2,046 posts)
13. Thank you for the list
A sad, sad obituary of liberal thought and freedom. I can only hope we can get it back.
The hawks among us, Dem and Repug alike, love to say "Freedom isn't Free." They usually say that as an excuse to start another war. But what it really means is you can't sit on your ass and trust your leaders not to abuse power. Never, not in the entire history of mankind, has greater governmental power over its citizens led to greater freedom. We must fight to maintain our rights, or see them washed away, be it in a great flood, or more likely, by steady erosion over time by fear and greed. |
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:44 AM
SamKnause (12,588 posts)
14. K&R
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:03 AM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
18. Thanks for the extensive list.
Book marking it for future reference...and to K&R it.
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:12 AM
navarth (5,927 posts)
21. kick for Ed Snowden.
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:19 AM
BeanMusical (4,389 posts)
22. Kick and R.
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:00 AM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
23. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:04 AM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
24. No warrants for any crimes concerning this have been issued except
warrants for the arrest of teh traitor Comrade Snowden! too bad the facts do not support your BS
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #24)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:28 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
33. Sadly you side with the Oligarch Authority. Snowden is a hero for the 99% and Gen Clapper is a hero
for the Oligarchy.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #33)
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:49 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
39. Not a matter of "siding",,,, just the facts
Response to Cryptoad (Reply #39)
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:08 AM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
40. Let's take a look at your logic. You say "just the facts", which first of all would be a little
audacious for you to think that you have been blessed with recognizing the "facts". None of which you've proven yourself but you believe in someone else's "facts". It's understandable that one needs to choose a side, but you choose the side of authoritarianism to believe. You choose the side of the NSA/CIA Black State that has an unlimited budget and no oversight.
I choose the side of skepticism. I believe that with an unlimited budget and no oversight that the NSA/CIA Black State would do whatever they can get away with. I think that those that despise whistle-blowers, journalist, and protestors, do so because they live in the denial that their chosen authoritarian gods will be good to them. Gen Clapper might use his unlimited power for goodness if we are lucky, but in doing so, he may nullify our liberties and freedoms. Authoritarians are willing to give up their freedoms and liberties for the promise of a little security. They are fools. |
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #40)
Sat May 9, 2015, 10:48 AM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
45. Good for you
All that ,,, still doesn't explain the lack of warrants ,,,,,,, seems you have a problem separating facts and opinion,, in such case it would be wise not to try to apply your logic.
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #45)
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:00 AM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
46. You haven't shown us that your facts are more than just your opinion. nm
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #46)
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:47 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
47. I have searched and found no warrants,,,,,,,
concerning this matter therefore I claim there is none....... but if you know of some please share with the rest of us. Hard for to show you thingys that don't exist. Your logic is becoming much more and more clearer to me. but I understand how hard it is to defend a position that is not supported by any Truth.
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:09 AM
JEB (4,748 posts)
25. K&R&bookmark
Thanks for the excellent compilation.
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:29 AM
cstanleytech (23,778 posts)
26. I disagree that he is a hero OP but I respect your right to have the opinion that he is. nt
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:45 PM
Blue_Tires (55,443 posts)
29. I've got some links of my own here, if you got the stones to peruse them:
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:44 PM
Octafish (55,745 posts)
30. Kick for the Constitution.
Kick for Justice.
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Response to Octafish (Reply #30)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:37 PM
gratuitous (77,388 posts)
36. Oh, that quaint old document?
No, see, all those so-called rights? There's an invisible "Escape Clause Amendment" that reads, "None of this is any good if we're really scared, or if the right people want We the People to be scared." That's why you libruls get confused about all that "due process" and "probable cause" stuff. It's of no force or effect if there's enough PH34R.
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Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:34 PM
Logical (22,457 posts)
34. Prosense is not here any more to defend the NSA and rip Snowden. Darn it!
Response to Logical (Reply #34)
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:31 AM
bananas (27,509 posts)
42. What happened to him? nt
Response to bananas (Reply #42)
Sat May 9, 2015, 09:59 AM
Logical (22,457 posts)
44. Just left I heard. Or taking a break. Nothing bad. nt
Response to woo me with science (Original post)
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:32 AM
bananas (27,509 posts)