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Tue May 5, 2015, 05:09 PM

Warren Support Shifting to Bernie Sanders, Sanders Not Just About Influencing Issues

http://gawker.com/like-elizabeth-warren-vote-bernie-sanders-1702274116

Though we wish it could be so, Elizabeth Warren is not running for president. The dominant narrative has already become: Warren’s supporters will now have to settle for trying to exert influence on Hillary Clinton. Not so fast, narrative!

Elizabeth Warren Is Right About Everything


This afternoon, Massachusetts Senator and presidential non-candidate Elizabeth Warren spoke to a…(Read more: http://gawker.com/elizabeth-warren-is-right-about-everything-1696835237)


If you are a person who cares about economic inequality, and the inordinate influence of money on our democracy, and Wall Street’s unaccountability and plunder of public resources—a well-informed person, in other words—you were probably disappointed to learn that Elizabeth Warren would not be running for president, because she is the strongest mainstream political voice in America who speaks out intelligently in favor of addressing those very issues. Some would have you believe that Warren’s decision not to enter the race means that those of you who believe in the causes that she champions should not slide over into the camp of The Inevitable Nominee Hillary Clinton, who will reward you with, perhaps, a gentle leftward nod and wink during the course of her staunchly centrist campaign.

“There are frequent references to a Warren wing of the Democratic party and to the need to appeal to it,” Bloomberg writes. “Hillary Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, is openly courting her.” In the New Yorker, Ryan Lizza says that “Clinton has taken notice” of Warren, already making overt efforts to enfold her in the comforting embrace of Planet Hillary.

I say to everyone who supports Elizabeth Warren’s eminently reasonable positions on issues of basic fairness: hope is not lost. You do not have to throw up your hands in despair and slide your support over to Hillary Clinton. The inevitability of Hillary Clinton’s triumph is a facade, manufactured by a team of political consultants for the purpose of making her victory easier by encouraging any and all opponents to give up and fade away. There is absolutely no reason that progressives should lay down and surrender to Hillary Clinton—who is a calculating and talented politician who is better than a Republican, but who cannot be called a progressive if that term is to mean anything. Even as Hillary Clinton mouths platitudes about fighting inequality, her own legion of Wall Street backers does not take any of it seriously. “She’s not saying that a hedge fund manager shouldn’t be making what they’re making,” one financier shrugged to Politico. “Just that someone in another job shouldn’t be making 300 times less.”

In fact, a hedge fund manager shouldn’t be making what they’re making. If you have enough of a sense of justice to understand that, there is no reason for you to feel that your vote is already a foregone conclusion, a year and a half before the actual election. Even without Elizabeth Warren, there is a candidate in the race who represents true progressive ideals. That candidate is Bernie Sanders.

Bernie Sanders favors strong progressive taxation to fight the ongoing trend of massive accumulations of wealth among a tiny elite.

Bernie Sanders favors an expanded social safety net to protect the poor.

Bernie Sanders favors a single-payer public health care system for all.

Bernie Sanders favors breaking up the “Too Big to Fail” Wall Street banks that pulled the world into a global recession in 2008.

Bernie Sanders favors a $15 per hour minimum wage.

Bernie Sanders favors stronger support for organized labor.

Bernie Sanders also favors legalizing marijuana, by the way.

Compare the positions of Bernie Sanders with those of Elizabeth Warren. Anyone who feels strongly about the economic and social causes championed by Warren will have little choice but to recognize that Bernie Sanders fully embraces most of the same causes, and the same policy solutions. There is no need to make some emotional, over-the-top, campaign ad-style plea here. Look at what the candidates believe. Vote for the candidate who represents what you believe.

Three and a half decades of rising inequality must stop, or else. Bernie Sanders should have the support of everyone in this country smart enough to understand that. Everyone including Elizabeth Warren.
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Once you realize how very much support was evident for a Warren run, it is no longer a case of Bernie Sanders swaying the inevitable nominee during the campaign season, hell no...it is far more...all of that Warren love is now Bernie Sanders love...and it is just in the beginning stages. To know Bernie Sanders and what a fighter he is, is to love him, and those of us who already do know his stances on the issue couldn't be happier. I'm thinking Elizabeth Warren agrees wholeheartedly.

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Reply Warren Support Shifting to Bernie Sanders, Sanders Not Just About Influencing Issues (Original post)
mother earth May 2015 OP
-none May 2015 #1
liberal_at_heart May 2015 #2
-none May 2015 #44
Flying Squirrel May 2015 #47
merrily May 2015 #52
Tommy2Tone May 2015 #3
immoderate May 2015 #4
bvar22 May 2015 #5
BrotherIvan May 2015 #8
Maedhros May 2015 #11
LineLineLineReply !
Adsos Letter May 2015 #32
Maedhros May 2015 #34
Adsos Letter May 2015 #35
daleanime May 2015 #13
Vincardog May 2015 #15
NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #26
Jackpine Radical May 2015 #36
merrily May 2015 #54
JDPriestly May 2015 #67
NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #69
merrily May 2015 #76
Post removed May 2015 #16
m-lekktor May 2015 #17
uncleverusername May 2015 #28
totodeinhere May 2015 #38
L0oniX May 2015 #45
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #46
Flying Squirrel May 2015 #48
merrily May 2015 #53
chknltl May 2015 #60
sabrina 1 May 2015 #71
BrotherIvan May 2015 #6
mother earth May 2015 #7
R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #9
Fuddnik May 2015 #18
BrotherIvan May 2015 #20
AtomicKitten May 2015 #10
mother earth May 2015 #12
Fuddnik May 2015 #21
mother earth May 2015 #29
RoccoR5955 May 2015 #63
mother earth May 2015 #73
BrotherIvan May 2015 #22
Jackpine Radical May 2015 #41
mother earth May 2015 #42
thesquanderer May 2015 #14
cali May 2015 #19
BrotherIvan May 2015 #23
maindawg May 2015 #24
gordianot May 2015 #25
Jackpine Radical May 2015 #39
totodeinhere May 2015 #40
salimbag May 2015 #27
mother earth May 2015 #30
salimbag May 2015 #33
WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2015 #31
mother earth May 2015 #43
sadoldgirl May 2015 #37
Flying Squirrel May 2015 #49
Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #50
polichick May 2015 #65
Recursion May 2015 #51
merrily May 2015 #55
brooklynite May 2015 #56
cascadiance May 2015 #57
brooklynite May 2015 #58
cascadiance May 2015 #59
mother earth May 2015 #61
brooklynite May 2015 #64
mother earth May 2015 #72
WillyT May 2015 #62
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #66
Boomer May 2015 #68
mother earth May 2015 #74
carolinayellowdog May 2015 #70
libdem4life May 2015 #75
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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:18 PM

1. This is getting more funner by the day.

You go Bernie.

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Response to -none (Reply #1)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:22 PM

2. I know. I never knew politics could be fun, but when the candidate actually represents

the average American it really is fun.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #2)

Tue May 5, 2015, 10:22 PM

44. Especually when it disappoints the status quo that got us into this mess.

And wants to keep it that way.

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Response to -none (Reply #44)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:34 AM

47. I wish they only wanted to keep it that way.

 

They want to make it much, much worse.

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #47)

Wed May 6, 2015, 06:33 AM

52. Preach!

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:23 PM

3. Two points here.

Warren is not running and Bernie is not winning, but enjoy the side show.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:33 PM

4. But Bernie is GAINING. Not losing momentum...

 



--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #4)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:37 PM

5. AND....

....we are still a long way out.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:47 PM

8. Keep it up! I think it's working!!

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:56 PM

11. I'm laughing at the 'superior' intellect.

 

/ignore.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #11)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:53 PM

32. !

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #32)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:56 PM

34. You recognized the source!

 

I feel warm and fuzzy now.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #34)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:59 PM

35. I'm old enough to remember when Ricardo Montalban was a thing.

"Fine Corinthian leather" indeed.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:03 PM

13. We a long time out....

from where we worry about winning or losing. Now's the time for working! If you're not in the 'side show' I guess you're on the side line.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:35 PM

15. SoSo in your opinion I should resign myself to vote for the Corporate Candidate? Not in this Life.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #15)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:20 PM

26. I am a big fan of Bernie and have volunteered to work for him and have donated.

And I will love it if he is our next president.

I will follow his lead in just about everything because I know he is the "George Carlin" candidate, as in if George was alive he would be supporting Bernie.

Like I said I will follow Bernie's lead, INCLUDING voting for Hillary if Bernie doesnt make it to the Nov election.

Bernie will assure you that doing anything else is suicide and madness.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #26)

Tue May 5, 2015, 08:04 PM

36. …

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #26)

Wed May 6, 2015, 06:44 AM

54. Interesting that so many DUers think they can read Bernie's mind and

speak for him.

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Response to merrily (Reply #54)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:05 PM

67. That is a good sign. It means that people identify with him and feel close to him and

one with his ideas. That is the link that is seen between winning candidates and their supporters.

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Response to merrily (Reply #54)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:30 PM

69. Any amount of money you name I will bet says he votes for Hillary if she is the

candidate on election day.

any

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #69)

Thu May 7, 2015, 12:06 AM

76. Which of us will be in the voting booth with him?

But, how he votes is not even the point. I keep seeing DUers posting what Bernie would say, want, etc. It's silly.

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Tue May 5, 2015, 06:54 PM

17. haha. the sideshow i will be enjoying is the one that *always" surrounds the Clintons.

though if she wins it won't be all that enjoyable.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:28 PM

28. He literally just announced.

 

And the campaign season hasn't even begun. Geez.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 08:09 PM

38. Well it is to be determined who will win. We haven't had either a caucus or a primary yet

and won't for some time. Hillary Clinton hasn't won anything yet either. That's what we have primaries and caucuses for. Let the contest begin.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Tue May 5, 2015, 10:27 PM

45. Show? Does the show have the billionaire money shot?

 

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:49 AM

46. If he is not winning

 

What has he lost?

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:37 AM

48. Tommy Tutone had a one-hit wonder.

 

Your post was more like a no-hit wonder.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2015, 06:34 AM

53. Thanks. We are enjoying this. You, on the other hand, not so much. Too bad.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2015, 12:18 PM

60. One point here

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #3)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:02 PM

71. Bernie's poll numbers are going up by the day! Doubled since Jan and that was BEFORE

he announced last Thursday.

Steadily going up directly relating to when people get to know him.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:41 PM

6. He has 175,000 volunteers

Once people start hearing his message, that number will grow. If EW endorses him, that would be huge.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #6)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:42 PM

7. You know it.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #6)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:49 PM

9. Then to that day.

 

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #6)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:55 PM

18. 175,001.

I volunteered today, and he also has an additional $100 in his coffers.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #18)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:57 PM

20. Oooh yeah

Good for you. He won't take corporate money, so he needs us. We need us!

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 05:52 PM

10. Bernie said he was waiting to see if Elizabeth was running.

 

When he declared his candidacy, I knew Elizabeth was not going to run and it was an easy and natural transition to Bernie. He is a genuinely decent man who tells the truth. He is the people's candidate and we are damn lucky he is giving us an excellent choice.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #10)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:03 PM

12. Absolutely, furthermore, it is a matter of time for Elizabeth to openly endorse him, they are the

same champions of the people, and we love them for it.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #12)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:57 PM

21. Bernie is probably the best candidate in my lifetime.

And Truman was in his last year in office when I was born.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #21)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:31 PM

29. TPTB vastly underestimate Bernie & his growing following, it begins...

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Response to mother earth (Reply #29)

Wed May 6, 2015, 12:50 PM

63. They consistantly underestimate the power of people

 

They think that with all their propaganda and such, that these things are just abnormalities. When the people get united behind one objective, or in this case, one candidate, it can happen relatively quickly, and they generally don't see it coming.
I only hope that Bernie's support will snowball, as more and more people find out about his message, his steadfastness, and his honesty. I have already spoken to several people, right wing people, who say that even though they are not for everything that Bernie represents, that he is honest and consistent, and that we need this.
I only see that if more see this, he is on his way to the White House!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #63)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:07 PM

73. You & I happily agree.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #12)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:58 PM

22. From your keyboard to her ears...

Or like a keyboard/brain mind meld.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #12)

Tue May 5, 2015, 08:16 PM

41. When I first read this, I thought, "Well, maybe not, for strategic reasons."

Liz knows she's going to have to work with whoever is elected, so she may have bridges of her own she doesn't want to burn.

Then I thought about the fact that Liz feels that Hillary betrayed her on a fairly important matter when Hill was in the Senate. So, in the end, Liz may very well endorse Bernie. Certainly his positions are closer to her heart than Hill's.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #41)

Tue May 5, 2015, 09:26 PM

42. One endorses the candidate you align with, it is customary and natural.

Warren like Bernie, is a real deal populist, it can't be faked.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything Sanders/Warren...they are like minded.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:13 PM

14. Bernie Sanders also has a lot more experience than Elizabeth Warren.

Warren would have been great, but "inexperience" would have been hung around her neck just as much as "age" and "socialist" will be hung around Bernie's. Every candidate has their political strengths and weaknesses. I don't see any reason to think that Sanders can't be at least as good a candidate as Warren would have been.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #14)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:56 PM

19. and no offense to Warren, but while she was voting for Reagan, Bernie

 

had just been elected Mayor of Burlington and was saying the same things he is now, and advocating for those things.

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Response to cali (Reply #19)

Tue May 5, 2015, 06:59 PM

23. Bernie Sanders was at the March on Washington!

He's been talking and walking consistently the whole time.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:16 PM

25. At this point I favor Sanders but will not burn bridges.

....and will not speak ill of other Democrats even if they do. Not having any members of the Republican clown in any office is too important .

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Response to gordianot (Reply #25)

Tue May 5, 2015, 08:10 PM

39. I believe Bernie has never run negative ads in his campaigns.

I think it behooves us to respect his wisdom.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #25)

Tue May 5, 2015, 08:15 PM

40. I don't see a problem at all with your comment. It's great that you are keeping an open mind about

everything at this point. One thing that Bernie needs to do is fight the Clinton inevitability meme and I think that he will. As Bernie raises more and more money from small donors and as it becomes increasingly obvious that he actually does have a chance then his support will continue to grow. And hopefully you will be firmly placed on his bandwagon by then.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:24 PM

27. We just need to spread the word about Bernie

And knock down the MSM talking points, " too old, too socialist, token candidate". Just listen to what he has to say. Look at his record. Bernie is the real deal, with no strings attached. Go Bernie!

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Response to salimbag (Reply #27)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:33 PM

30. They haven't seen anything yet, people are rightly fed up with the status quo of US of oligarchy.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #30)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:53 PM

33. Thanks mom!

I have seen several descriptions of the American "people", some of which are not positive. Raises the question, how to reach low info/no info voters. Where do they get their low info/no info? Many people simply do not read anything, watch any news, look for news on the internet, or seek to inform themselves politically. I know people like this. Even though they may be fed up, they don't seem to make the connection between elected officials and quality of life. This explains the reelection of idiots and con artists, but how to counter this? Go Bernie!

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 07:45 PM

31. Like I have said before.

It is time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #31)

Tue May 5, 2015, 09:28 PM

43. Yes, indeed....and so it begins, my friend.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue May 5, 2015, 08:09 PM

37. When at last the Warren groups give up

on her candidacy, many may join Bernie, however those
still insisting on a woman will go to HRC.
Warren herself will not favor either,imo.

Let us see, how long it will take Move-on to understand
that Bernie's run may eliminate EW's run in some ways.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:50 AM

49. I'd say, "Sanders/Warren"... But

 

I really like her in the Senate.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 03:36 AM

50. Warren/Sanders 2016

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #50)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:02 PM

65. I hope EW will see that now is the time for the necessary movement...

and jump on the ticket!

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 05:16 AM

51. I'm amused by the implication that Clinton "doesn't favor" those

Rather than the much more realistic assessment that she thinks saying she favors them is a quick way to lose a general election, particularly since they're not remotely achievable by any President.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #51)

Wed May 6, 2015, 07:37 AM

55. She's been in public life a long time. Campaign rhetoric from 2008 and/or 2016 is not

going to cut it. Neither is guesswork by her supporters.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 07:40 AM

56. UNREC

Mis-leading title. There is nothing in your OP or your cited article that indicated that Warren's supporters are shifting to Sanders. You may feel that they should but there's no evidence that that's happening.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #56)

Wed May 6, 2015, 09:15 AM

57. Shifting may be the wrong word... In *absence of Warren", we are choosing Bernie now who is running

 

We still "support" Warren, and if she were to run, we'd have to decide whether Warren or Bernie would have the best chance of winning. I would love either one of them as president. Why I chose to work for Warren is that I thought she might have the best shot at winning.

Warren would have the following advantages:
1) As a woman, she would force the media to focus more on the issues when comparing her as a candidate to Clinton, instead of playing the identity politics cards that were played in last election (voting for or against a woman as a candidate or voting for or against a person of color as a candidate), which served to distract us from looking at the issues and getting some more solid commitments of what "Hope and Change" would really translate to in terms of later deeds in office.
2) Bernie as a person who has had a lot more public view of his view and interaction with Thom Hartmann on the weekly town hall he does, could be more exposed to "gotcha" politics by the mining of his show's comments that the right is sure to do.
3) Warren's focus has been on the financial issues and other issues that are populist at their core that few other politicians have taken. Bernie has also stood strong on these issues, but he's also stood strong on many other issues, and has spoken out as a "socialist". This could be manipulated to make it harder for some independents and Republicans to support him.

However, since Bernie's been starting to run and speak I'm noticing a few things:
1) Rather than being a potential liability for the right looking for quotes to hang Sanders with, I think the Thom Hartmann show has served Bernie well in that he's far more prepared than many other candidates in going out and speaking honestly to everyone he talks to. It is also very hard for the media to manipulate him with questions in to a corner, since Bernie's used to responding to a wide variety of unrehearsed questions on Hartmann's show. And he's shown this skill in the many interviews he's done already.
2) I think Bernie is looking very strong in his ability to project an honest politician that doesn't need to parse words because he doesn't have to "think" so much about what kind of things he's going to talk about and his positions on issues when talking to people on the stump. I think many voters out there of all persuasions have been waiting for a long time for a voice in politics like this, where voters, no matter what their voter persuasion is, feel that he's being honest with him, and even if they might disagree with him on some issues, on many of the core populist issues, they will like his more unique positions on those, and they will feel more comfortable that they know where he stands and where he's going to go in office. That will get him more votes from "non-left" voters than the media will want to give him credit for.
3) I don't think Bernie will let the media play the identity politics card when debating issues with Clinton. He will try to keep them focused on issues and hasn't fallen in to the traps they've tried to put before him to have him "attack" Clinton. Hoping he can help keep it that way. America wants to see politicians that take stands strongly on the issues they've felt neglected. I think they're tired of the manipulation away from this that we've had for too long with both parties and the media in recent elections.
4) He seems prepared for the "socialist" label that keeps coming at him and hit Obama. Obama never deserved this label, as he was far from being a socialist anyway. And Bernie defines more specifically what kind of socialist he is, that given the opportunity to do so, I think many of those that aren't off the right wing deep end, will start to understand. Perhaps at some point someone will note that the Koch Brothers who have funded the corporate Republican Party and the corporatist elements in the Democratic Party like the DLC, that they helped fund and put people in to begin with, were in fact more tied to COMMUNIST rather than socialist regimes when their father Fred Koch was heavily tied to Joseph Stalin, in building their infrastructure and building the Koch's fortune and empire. And if that gets out there, Bernie will note that he's NOT a communist (which wasn't and isn't democratic, unlike states like Denmark, etc. that Sanders points to as a model now). So, perhaps the Republicans and corporate Democrats like "commies" more than Sanders does, even if Sanders is a "socialist".

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #57)

Wed May 6, 2015, 09:18 AM

58. Again, who is this WE...?

You're welcome to tell us what YOU think, but I don't see you provide any evidence of multitudes following in your footsteps.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #58)

Wed May 6, 2015, 09:20 AM

59. Well, I'm speaking for myself as part of that group that's being talked about...

 

I see many here also that support Bernie that have also supported Warren. So PROVE that I'm the only one that has been starting to support Bernie if you want to make any kind of point here! You CAN'T!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #56)

Wed May 6, 2015, 12:31 PM

61. There's nothing misleading about it, it is pretty obvious there is a massive shift underway.

No evidence? Having said that, there won't be evidence coming out of MSM or those who want to paint the "horse race" to their liking, but it is merely a matter of time...whereupon it will be obvious to all naysayers.

I'll be expecting to hear from you by then.

Where do you think Warren support is shifting to? It is shifting, but Sanders supporters know full well where it is shifting, because WE are the ones shifting...that's the WE, my friend.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #61)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:02 PM

64. and you will...because I live in the real world

I support close to 50 candidates every year in big dollar amounts, so it's not in my interest to have illusions about the prospects of my candidates. I crunch a lot of data on each one, and monitor any changes, so IF Hillary Clinton starts to fall, I'll be aware of it (FYI - I switched from Clinton to Obama in 2008 after Super Tuesday when I could no longer see a path to victory). One thing I WON'T be doing is blaming "the MSM" or "the Party Bosses" if my candidate loses; I trust you'll do the same.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #64)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:05 PM

72. I'm glad you live in the real world, that world is changing because most of realize how very f'd up

it is thanks to blind allegiance.

Having said that, I will never, ever vote GOP, but I'll be damned if I'm going to settle for the crumbs any corporate candidate is willing to leave to satisfy their big money sponsors, and that includes Ms. Inevitable. She's got a lot to answer for in the coming election & pretending at populism isn't going to cut it.

If you live in the real world, you understand what is playing out. To support the oligarchy and greed is to enable it.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 12:47 PM

62. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 




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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:03 PM

66. In 1968, LBJ beat Eugene McCarthy by 49% to 42%....LBJ dropped out.

 

Just sayin'.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:10 PM

68. What's this "shifting" of which you speak?

I'm not shifting from Warren to Sanders. I've always favored both of them.


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Response to Boomer (Reply #68)

Wed May 6, 2015, 02:12 PM

74. True, the "shifting" is really not a shift, but a wave & we absolutely know who

truly represents us. Corporate candidates clearly do not.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 01:35 PM

70. no preference on issues, prefer Warren as national spokesmodel, but she's not running

No matter how much some of us have been dismayed by Obama's seeming capitulation to the centrist/DLC faction, he's been great at the symbolic level. VERY dignified and presidential, having ten times the gravitas of his predecessor. Won back a great amount of lost respect for the US squandered by Bush. For reasons of symbolism, I prefer the Oklahoman-gone-to-Massachusetts Republican-turned-Democrat to the New Yorker-gone to Vermont socialist.

But that is all theatrics, this isn't Starsearch, and if she's not running I want someone as close as possible to her positions. The whole "real Indian" vs. "real Jew" argument is Republican territory, and those memes will be thrown at EITHER candidate by the opposition.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Wed May 6, 2015, 03:21 PM

75. The gender, no matter how much we might want a woman president, should take a back seat

 

to values, principles and past voting record. One is not running, and the other does not share our ideals. So, I'm calling it for the white male and hoping the passion of the Warrenistas will translate into a viable campaign for Bernie. She would be a powerful campaigner for Bernie, if we should be so lucky.

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