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Fri May 1, 2015, 07:30 PM

What does looting & destruction have to do with social justice?

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Reply What does looting & destruction have to do with social justice? (Original post)
kpete May 2015 OP
NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #1
Cleita May 2015 #3
nc4bo May 2015 #5
seveneyes May 2015 #12
PatrynXX May 2015 #14
madokie May 2015 #23
treestar May 2015 #26
House of Roberts May 2015 #2
Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #4
Blue_Tires May 2015 #6
uponit7771 May 2015 #7
awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #8
Skittles May 2015 #9
7962 May 2015 #13
romanic May 2015 #21
indivisibleman May 2015 #10
Bigmack May 2015 #11
the_sly_pig May 2015 #15
Bigmack May 2015 #17
the_sly_pig May 2015 #18
Skittles May 2015 #16
joshcryer May 2015 #20
joshcryer May 2015 #19
NaturalHigh May 2015 #25
treestar May 2015 #28
romanic May 2015 #22
NaturalHigh May 2015 #24
treestar May 2015 #27

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 07:32 PM

1. Looting and destruction, SPARE ME...

Everything the AfAm community has EVER done would PALE in comparison to what white people would do if this shit was happening to them at the hands of black people .

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Fri May 1, 2015, 07:39 PM

3. +1000

No kidding.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Fri May 1, 2015, 07:49 PM

5. ++++! nt

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:03 PM

12. Link?

 

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:30 PM

14. nevermind if reports about police kicking them off busses

and refusesing to let kids leave the area holds up maybe why they aren't being charged at the moment

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Sat May 2, 2015, 05:04 AM

23. Tulsa race riots come to mind

whitey, I'm white btw, burned down the black portion of Tulsa Oklahoma over something as simple as a black man looking lustingly, she claimed, at a white woman. Look it up and read about it. Big stain on our area, this was/is.

We're all Black now and its time for my white ass to join in with my black brothers and sisters and keep this fire going until we stop the shit that the black people have had to put up with from ship to shore, from then to now. If you ask me that is.
Yes it is about Slavery, that was the beginning, the place the treatment of black people started. Its past time to stop this. Matters not the color of a persons skin, it matters whats in their heart. if time hasn't shown us anything else its shown us that black people have a Giant Good Heart to have put up with the shit they have had to for so long.

All black people are asking for is a fair shake

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Sat May 2, 2015, 07:19 AM

26. How can you know?

I don't think it would be any worse. Human nature is the same.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 07:34 PM

2. The PTB (and the corporate media) ignore peaceful protest.

They want us to become discouraged and go home.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #2)

Fri May 1, 2015, 07:39 PM

4. Exactly. No violence = no media attention. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 07:51 PM

6. +1000

Funny how many DUers still seem to lose the plot...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 08:15 PM

7. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 08:15 PM

8. Just stole for Facebook. nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 08:16 PM

9. they both suck

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:13 PM

13. Exactly

 

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Sat May 2, 2015, 04:53 AM

21. Pretty much.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 08:59 PM

10. No justice, no peace. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:01 PM

11. Anybody here ever throw a tool...

 

.. or a phone... or something... because you were SO pissed that you just didn't give a shit about the cost, or whether it was juvenile, or what people would think?

I have. Frustration/anger/outrage....

Of course they shouldn't burn it down or loot or whatever, but saying "Fuck it!" and destroying something is universally human, and more so with the powerless.

What are the people gonna do instead of riot and loot...? Hire a lawyer? Write a nasty letter to somebody?

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #11)

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:33 PM

15. I've damaged my own property in anger...

I've never run over to my neighbors garage and destroyed his/her stuff. Anger and injustice are not permissions to destroy.

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Response to the_sly_pig (Reply #15)

Fri May 1, 2015, 11:28 PM

17. So the Boston Tea Party was not OK?...

 

...Leading slaves to freedom?

If your neighbor poisoned your dog... could you get angry enough to destroy his stuff?

I'm not justifying the riots... I'm trying to explain why people might do seemingly irrational things.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #17)

Sat May 2, 2015, 04:11 AM

18. People do irrational things all the time...

But that is not the issue. Two wrongs do not make a right. The fact is that I empathize with the victims in this situation but I become less so when the rioting and destruction of property starts. If anyone wants respect, they must act maturity and consideration, regardless of how tragic the event.

Would I rage if one of my sons were killed? Absolutely. But my neighborhood would not and I would be required to wait for the wheels of justice to turn. And the wheels of justice turn slowly.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #11)

Fri May 1, 2015, 10:57 PM

16. I have thrown stuff in anger

but never to damage other people's property

and ARSON? IN-FUCKING-EXUSABLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Sat May 2, 2015, 04:52 AM

20. Yes, destroying property, not something I've ever done.

But I have kicked over the occasional garbage can or two.

I grew up poor and two of my brothers would get so angry they'd actually destroy stuff, like, literally TVs and stuff, it was so aggravating to me to the point of I myself getting angry because they would hurt the whole family by "acting out."

Arson is at the higher level of destruction and I think that those who did it justified it by thinking that they were protecting themselves and others from further incrimination. A store gets looted, everyone leaves, someone is going to panic and then go back and make sure the evidence is destroyed.

I think human emotions lead to irrational behavior in a lot of instances. The protestors in Greece burned a bank down and people inside died. No one ever caught the culprits. It is utterly tragic and definitely inexcusable.

Arson should be prosecuted under the highest degree possible. I personally saw what I believe were the CVS arsonists leaving that store (there was a helicopter shot with rioters running fast away and it started smoking a few minutes later). One can only hope the police on the ground got the peoples' faces on video or tracked them down.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #11)

Sat May 2, 2015, 04:35 AM

19. I was instructed recently that people should "control their emotions."

I found such language sociopathic, because normal people cannot control their emotions. Emotions are a strange thing. Lashing out is a human condition. Yes some people can control themselves better than others.

But everyone has their tipping point. Everyone except sociopaths who have no emotion. But even they do very bad things.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #19)

Sat May 2, 2015, 07:19 AM

25. "normal people cannot control their emotions"...

That pretty much negates anything else you wrote.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #11)

Sat May 2, 2015, 07:22 AM

28. Yes, there are many other ways

Hiring a lawyer is one and Gray's family likely have done so.

Peaceful protest marches.

Would you also defend terrorists? They can't raise an army to defeat their enemy, so they resort to terrorism to make their unhappiness known.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 2, 2015, 05:02 AM

22. I feel like people are forgetting a critical fact about the rots that happened.

Many locals in the area have said they didn't recognize anybody from the neighborhood doing all of the looting and damage; basically saying that outsiders were in their hood breaking their shit and destroying their businesses. So really, what did the riots have to do with social justice, it sure as hell didn't have anything to do with the neighborhood itself.

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Response to romanic (Reply #22)

Sat May 2, 2015, 07:17 AM

24. Yep, and those are the people who will be hurt the most.

Good luck getting those businesses that were destroyed to come back.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 2, 2015, 07:20 AM

27. Simple tu quo que fallacy

or the kid saying, "he did it too!"

Not helpful.

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