Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:15 PM
cali (114,904 posts)
Matt Taibbi: Give 'Em Hell, Bernie: Bernie Sanders is more serious than you think
Many years ago I pitched a magazine editor on a story about Bernie Sanders, then a congressman from Vermont, who'd agreed to something extraordinary – he agreed to let me, a reporter, stick next to him without restrictions over the course of a month in congress.
<snip> I got the go-ahead and the resulting story was a wild journey through the tortuous bureaucratic maze of our national legislature. I didn't write this at the time, but I was struck every day by what a strange and interesting figure Sanders was. Many of the battles he brought me along to witness, he lost. And no normal politician would be comfortable with the optics of bringing a Rolling Stone reporter to a Rules Committee hearing. But Sanders genuinely, sincerely, does not care about optics. He is the rarest of Washington animals, a completely honest person. If he's motivated by anything other than a desire to use his influence to protect people who can't protect themselves, I've never seen it. Bernie Sanders is the kind of person who goes to bed at night thinking about how to increase the heating-oil aid program for the poor. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/give-em-hell-bernie-20150429#ixzz3Yiujk2wG Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:25 PM
underpants (154,071 posts)
1. Marking for later read
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:37 PM
Koinos (2,789 posts)
3. Great and timely article!
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Thanks, Cali!
K & R |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:38 PM
think (11,641 posts)
4. Excellent synopsis. TY /nt
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:39 PM
Marr (20,317 posts)
5. I'd volunteer for a Sanders campaign-- I really hope he enters the race. /nt
Response to Marr (Reply #5)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:41 PM
ChisolmTrailDem (9,463 posts)
8. Look for his announcement tomorrow. He's jumping in - as a Democratic candidate. nt
Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #8)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:50 PM
donnasgirl (656 posts)
9. I am happy he is going as a democrat
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But to be honest I wouldn't care if he ran as the man in the moon party, simply Because Bernie is the real deal and when people see him they will know because of his sincerity.
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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #9)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:54 PM
ChisolmTrailDem (9,463 posts)
12. He said he wouldn't be a spoiler so he has to run as a Democrat. nt
Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #12)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:58 PM
donnasgirl (656 posts)
14. Chisolm i understand that
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But in my opinion that is what stands out about the man, he is also an unselfish human being.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:40 PM
seabeyond (110,159 posts)
7. i took sanders, seriously. nt
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:52 PM
smokey nj (43,853 posts)
10. Thanks for this, cali!
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:53 PM
KoKo (84,711 posts)
11. A bit more of the article which is a great read!
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I remember the first time I was sold on Bernie Sanders as a politician. He was in his congressional office and he was ranting about the fact that many of the manufacturing and financial companies who asked him and other members of congress for tax breaks and aid were also in the business of moving American jobs overseas to places like China.
Sanders spent years trying to drum up support for a simple measure that would force any company that came to Washington asking for handouts to promise they wouldn't turn around and ship jobs to China or India. That didn't seem like a lot to ask, but his fellow members treated him like he was asking for a repeal of the free enterprise system. This issue drove Sanders crazy. Again showing his Brooklyn roots, Bernie gets genuinely mad about these things. While some pols are kept up at night worrying about the future profitability of gazillionaire banks, Sanders seethes over the many obvious wrongs that get smoothed over and covered up at his place of work. That saltiness, I'm almost sure of it, is what drove him into this race. He just can't sit by and watch the things that go on, go on. That's not who he is. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/give-em-hell-bernie-20150429#ixzz3Yj4EcZMT Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook |
Response to KoKo (Reply #11)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:19 PM
smokey nj (43,853 posts)
21. My favorite quote from the article
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" 'Bernie Sanders...That's the one who cares, right' "
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:57 PM
polichick (37,147 posts)
13. As usual, Matt says it like it is - just like Bernie! k&r
Response to polichick (Reply #13)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:04 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
15. Matt just wants another white Male for President!!
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Hillary and Bernie argree on almost all the issues, Hillary has been a loyal Dem. Bernie is just joining to get elected, using the party he refused to join for years! |
Response to polichick (Reply #20)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:29 PM
smokey nj (43,853 posts)
27. Take it from where it's coming, polichick.
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I think it's hilarious that "HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT!1!!1!1" is the worst thing they can say about Bernie Sanders.
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Response to smokey nj (Reply #27)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:38 PM
polichick (37,147 posts)
29. It really is hilarious - and we're just getting started. We're in for a fun ride!
Response to smokey nj (Reply #27)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:59 PM
PatriceKelly (10 posts)
35. Bernie Is A Real Democrat
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That's the problem.
A Roosevelt Democrat, not a Wall Street, Exxon, Coal sell out half Republican. It may be Hillary that isn't the Democrat. I volunteered for Bernie's campaign months ago in Seattle. I look forward to having someone that wants to prosecute the real criminals in the White House. |
Response to PatriceKelly (Reply #35)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:27 PM
appalachiablue (27,311 posts)
48. +200 Bernie Sanders IS a Real Democrat, a Roosevelt one, not a Wall Street one.
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That I'd like to have for a Tote Bag and a Bumper Sticker-
-Appa |
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #33)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:19 PM
Dragonfli (10,622 posts)
93. It's all about her, no one else matters!!!!
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Response to polichick (Reply #20)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:34 PM
tiredtoo (2,010 posts)
52. Good one Polichick
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and timely.
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:22 PM
truebrit71 (20,805 posts)
22. Really? THAT is your take away from this article?
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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #22)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:25 PM
smokey nj (43,853 posts)
24. Based on the response, I suspect that person didn't bother to read the article.
Response to smokey nj (Reply #24)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:28 PM
truebrit71 (20,805 posts)
26. Oh, based on that response I think that person lives under a bridge...
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...and has a severe aversion to sunlight....
But I thought I'd be nice about it.... |
Response to truebrit71 (Reply #26)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:33 PM
smokey nj (43,853 posts)
28. You were much nicer than I was going to be. I started responding but deleted before posting.
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I figured it just wasn't worth it.
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:40 PM
Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)
30. Isn't the stuffing already out of the punching bag? sheeesh.
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:18 PM
Fantastic Anarchist (7,309 posts)
43. That statement is literally too stupid to insult. n/t
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
46. If that is what you got out of the article
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well, you get what you put in and get what you deserve.
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:25 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
47. LOL You're going to have to try much harder than THAT!
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:51 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
74. run along now
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:03 PM
SoCalMusicLover (3,194 posts)
79. Hillary & Bernie Agree On Almost All The Issues
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That's where you lost me.....in the very first sentence.
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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #79)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:45 PM
MaggieD (7,393 posts)
99. That's pretty much true
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In specific HRC has been very adamant on the very issue highlighted in this article - no tax breaks for companies that off shore American jobs.
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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #79)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:22 AM
Dawgs (14,755 posts)
106. Agreeing on the issues and fighting for the ones that are most important are 2 different things.
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:23 PM
Buns_of_Fire (13,520 posts)
82. You're playing to a tough audience, kid.
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People here, be they Hillary supporters or Bernie supporters, expect a little better than that. As you'll soon find out, if you haven't already.
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:14 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
91. WOW, Kind Of Living In La-La Land...
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I said this some time ago and it's proving to be true. There's an ALL OUT EFFORT to make Hillary into a criminal in so, so many ways. I'm betting there will be no let up from here on out and IMO there are just TOO MANY people who will believe anything negative, but NEGATIVE from here on out does NOT bode well!
I'm not one of her supporters, but even if I was I don't think I have it in me to EXPLAIN stuff over and over. The shit is hitting the fan & walls.... I have a feeling there's going to me stuff sticking everywhere! |
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:17 PM
Dragonfli (10,622 posts)
92. How adorable! I just want to pinch yo widdle cheecks!
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:11 PM
Logical (22,457 posts)
97. LOL, Hillary supporter I assume? nt
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:49 AM
cantbeserious (13,039 posts)
100. I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - Yeah Right - "Won't Get Fooled Again"
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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:45 AM
marmar (71,042 posts)
111. You have no actual criticism, so you just fabricate some baseless accusation.
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Pathetic. |
Response to marmar (Reply #111)
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:12 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
121. How is the fact tha Bernie is white baseless accusation: Its a fact Bernie is a white male!!
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It just the truth!! |
Response to lewebley3 (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:23 PM
wendylaroux (2,925 posts)
119. you're a real lewlew
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and wrong wrong.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:09 PM
Octafish (55,745 posts)
16. ''Sanders genuinely, sincerely, does not care about optics.''
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"He is the rarest of Washington animals, a completely honest person." -- Matt Taibbi
That's what we need the most of to right the ship of state, people of INTEGRITY. Consider those who do consider "Optics ueber Alles." They're the ones who don't want you to see what's really there, or, in the case of Banksters, what isn't there any more. |
Response to Octafish (Reply #16)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:30 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
49. I think people will notice that, too.
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While everyone else speaks in pre-approved platitudes, he'll be calling out the Koch brothers and giving hell to the corporations.
It will be a dramatic and noticeable difference between him and the other candidates. Talk about "optics"! |
Response to arcane1 (Reply #49)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:30 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
65. He reminds me of a modern-day Harry Truman.
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Harry told it like it was - no focus groups, no tidy, corporate-approved language. Just good old-fashioned honesty.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:11 PM
cyberswede (26,117 posts)
17. "But Sanders genuinely, sincerely, does not care about optics."
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and...
If he's motivated by anything other than a desire to use his influence to protect people who can't protect themselves, I've never seen it. Bernie Sanders is the kind of person who goes to bed at night thinking about how to increase the heating-oil aid program for the poor.
Right on! |
Response to cyberswede (Reply #17)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:33 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
51. I liked this one:
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"In this manner we're conditioned to believe that the candidate who has the early assent of a handful of executives on Wall Street and in Hollywood and Silicon Valley is the "serious" politician, while the one who is merely the favorite of large numbers of human beings is an irritating novelty act whose only possible goal could be to cut into the numbers of the real players."
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Response to arcane1 (Reply #51)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:40 PM
cyberswede (26,117 posts)
55. Jimmy Carter had no $ when he started. He slept on people's couches in Iowa.
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I know times have changed, and the big $ in politics changes the dynamic, but I think people really are ready for Bernie's message.
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Response to cyberswede (Reply #55)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:42 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
56. And people are sick of big money running everything.
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What a refreshing option!
I know I'll be donating to him!!! |
Response to arcane1 (Reply #56)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:13 PM
smokey nj (43,853 posts)
61. Indeed and that frustration transcends ideology.
Response to smokey nj (Reply #61)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:14 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
62. Exactly. And I bet Sanders will not hesitate to NAME where his opponents get their $$
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Republican and Democrat alike!
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Response to cyberswede (Reply #55)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:36 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
66. On a smaller scale, no one gave Paul Wellstone a chance in hell
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to unseat a wealthy and well-financed Raygun lapdog, one Rudy Boschwitz, when he ran for the US Senate here in Minnesota. Wellstone worked his ass off, spoke anyplace he could get six people together and won the respect (and more importantly, VOTES) pf many who didn't necessarily agree with him on all the issues.
But no one ever was able to say that they didn't know where Wellstone stood or what his principles were. His straightforward honesty won over many who never imagined they'd be voting for him. |
Response to hifiguy (Reply #66)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:45 PM
cyberswede (26,117 posts)
70. I truly miss him.
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Response to cyberswede (Reply #70)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:48 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
71. Indeed.
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Bernie is the first officeholder I have seen since that gives me that flicker of hope that someone out there genuinely gives a shit about the people.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #66)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:51 PM
LuckyLib (6,211 posts)
95. Bernie is the closest to Paul Wellstone we have. Those values are few and far between in today's
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political scene. I'm putting my money and my energy on Bernie. Until if and when there is another nominee.
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Response to cyberswede (Reply #55)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:35 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
107. Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan agreed to run on ZERO campaign contributions....
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Both campaigns were publicly funded.
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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #107)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:16 AM
cyberswede (26,117 posts)
115. Yeah. We definitely need campaign finance reform. nt
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:14 PM
G_j (40,097 posts)
18. He said he wouldn't run
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unless he was serious about winning, and I believe him.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:14 PM
Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)
19. A very enjoyable piece to read!
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:24 PM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
23. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:27 PM
PufPuf23 (6,995 posts)
25. Go Bernie -- hopefully honesty is contagious but
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that is an unrealistic thought alas
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:48 PM
fredamae (4,458 posts)
31. I believe he is serious and
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I'm very serious about supporting him.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:51 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
32. That sums up why I am 100%
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behind Bernie.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #32)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:49 PM
markpkessinger (7,669 posts)
72. Me three! n/t
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:56 PM
Suney (1 post)
34. FDR candidate
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Let's labet Sanders as the FDR candidate.
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Response to Suney (Reply #34)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:00 PM
Cleita (75,480 posts)
78. Great suggestion and welcome to DU!
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We have a Bernie Sanders group if things get too rude in General Discussion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12801#post1 |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:59 PM
marlakay (7,849 posts)
36. I have ticket to see Matt locally Friday
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Small town in mountains in WA state he must want to hike this weekend. He's giving a talk at our local eco resort.
Can't wait to talk to him since its small venue. |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:08 PM
mother earth (6,002 posts)
37. K & R, for Taibbi & Bernie! Give 'em hell, Bernie!
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:09 PM
Proud Public Servant (2,097 posts)
38. This is an especially great read when placed alongside
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Taibbi's recent assessment of Bill and Hillary
The Clintons have always been cynics. They invented a brilliant formula for competing with the Republicans in the big-money era of politics. They brought people like Goldman chief Bob Rubin into the tent to implement enough deregulation to score vital fundraising dollars, while electorally, they used welfare reform and remarks about Sister Souljah to triangulate back just enough of those Southern "silent majority" votes (the ones seemingly lost forever in the Nixon days) to rework the electoral map in the Democrats' favor.
It worked. It was ingenious. But over two decades into our relationship with the Clintons, it's still really hard to know what motivates them, beyond getting off on being smart politicians. They're not idealists. In fact, they were pioneers of a sneering attitude you find everywhere in Washington these days, one that rolls its eyes at "purists" who don't have the stones to do what it takes to win (like voting for the Iraq war so as not to look "soft on defense" They clearly love the game and they love winning. They're both masters of it, Hillary maybe even more than Bill. But that's not the same as having a belief system. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-is-turning-into-richard-nixon-and-bill-belichick-20150314#ixzz3YjMoSdPR Go Bernie go! |
Response to Proud Public Servant (Reply #38)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:12 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
90. +1000000 The contrast exposes Third way frauds and predators for what they are.
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We've come to accept the flat-out lies and constant propaganda assaults of corporate government as business as usual. Bernie is a blast of fresh air making us aware by sheer contrast how sick and predatory the standard, manipulative MO of our corporate politicians really is.
Bernie Sanders reminds us of what our representatives are supposed to be. He is an honest politicians who does not campaign on one agenda and then govern from another. That is why the PTB and their propaganda brigades are so threatened by him. He reminds Americans what we have a right to expect from our representatives....but never get to see from our corporate politicians except in their lying corporate advertisements. |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:10 PM
Flying Squirrel (3,041 posts)
39. Check out this line... Priceless!
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It's a little-known fact, but we reporters could successfully sell Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or any other populist candidate as a serious contender for the White House if we wanted to. Hell, we told Americans it was okay to vote for George Bush, a man who moves his lips when he reads.
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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #39)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
42. The media is both corrupt
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and arrogant.
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Response to Aerows (Reply #42)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:50 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
73. The only remaining question is whether they are more arrogant
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or more corrupt. There is so much of both it's hard to decide.
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #73)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:51 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
75. You are right
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that's the only question. A mouse would starve on the difference, though!
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Response to hifiguy (Reply #73)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:18 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
108. You nailed that one.
Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #39)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:18 PM
truebrit71 (20,805 posts)
45. I love that last line "moves his lips when he reads"..
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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #39)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:46 PM
mountain grammy (21,957 posts)
57. Isn't it though? I had just copied that to post..
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doesn't this say it all? It's as if most of the press owed their livelihoods to the oligarchs..
oh wait, they do! |
Response to mountain grammy (Reply #57)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:16 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
63. They are the biggest recipient of all the SuperPac cash, after all!
Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #39)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:38 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
67. That is one of the pithiest and funniest takedowns of the Chimperor
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ever.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:14 PM
red dog 1 (18,979 posts)
40. K&R...Thanks for posting, cali
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Bernie running as a Dem would be great news!
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:16 PM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
41. Run, Bernie - RUN
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make this country a better place for all of us.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:34 PM
BrotherIvan (9,126 posts)
53. With Rolling Stone beating the drum, here comes the youth vote
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Off to read the article. But if a famous cynic like Taibbibi is this smitten, I think he can turn some heads. There is a lot of enthusiasm around here today. Good to see.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:39 PM
WhaTHellsgoingonhere (5,252 posts)
54. classic showdown
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:52 PM
mountain grammy (21,957 posts)
58. A great article, sorry about re posting the first paragraph but it's needed for the second.
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It's a little-known fact, but we reporters could successfully sell Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or any other populist candidate as a serious contender for the White House if we wanted to. Hell, we told Americans it was okay to vote for George Bush, a man who moves his lips when he reads.
But the lapdog mentality is deeply ingrained and most Beltway scribes prefer to wait for a signal from above before they agree to take anyone not sitting atop a mountain of cash seriously. Indeed, in-fucking-deed! Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/give-em-hell-bernie-20150429#ixzz3YjW8Shfv Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:09 PM
turbinetree (17,781 posts)
59. Double YEAH................
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we have a progressive liberal candidate who knows what the hell is going on in this country.
He really gets it and I remember Taibbi's article on this man---great reporting. How the middle class, working poor, and the just poor and homeless are just getting screwed, and every time I hear him say what the issues are and what is causing these issues---yes. Go for it Bernie run. I want you (Bernie) to appoint the U.S. Supreme court nominees-------yes I do. Because this election is about the U.S. Supreme court------always has been, and always will be-------we need a progressive court, just like the FDR court and the Johnson Court-------it made the middle class I will do whatever I can to make you win, volunteer, phone bank, whatever it takes. He has tried to filibuster the criminality of what Wall Street, Banks, hedge funds and the absolute corruption in the voting campaign system (Citizens United) from day one, and how the greed is turning this country into a oligarchy---from day one Like Thom Hartmann says every Friday on his radio show "Welcome Senator Sanders ", would it not be nice to hear him say "Welcome Mr. President" to your town hall meeting |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:12 PM
redruddyred (1,615 posts)
60. bernie is coming to visit my town this saturday.
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can't wait to see him!
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:17 PM
Maedhros (10,007 posts)
64. Man, does this quote hit the nail on the head:
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In this manner we're conditioned to believe that the candidate who has the early assent of a handful of executives on Wall Street and in Hollywood and Silicon Valley is the "serious" politician, while the one who is merely the favorite of large numbers of human beings is an irritating novelty act whose only possible goal could be to cut into the numbers of the real players.
And this: Thus this whole question of "seriousness" – which will dominate coverage of the Sanders campaign – should really be read as a profound indictment of our political system, which is now so openly an oligarchy that any politician who doesn't have the blessing of the bosses is marginalized before he or she steps into the ring.
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Response to Maedhros (Reply #64)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:00 PM
LWolf (46,177 posts)
88. That quote needs to be pinned, large and up front,
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somewhere.
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Response to Maedhros (Reply #64)
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:56 PM
winter is coming (11,785 posts)
123. That should be an OP. n/t
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:41 PM
democrank (10,198 posts)
68. Go Bernie!
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Many years back I was driving through a Vermont village in the "Northeast Kingdom" and noticed a sign tacked to a telephone pole.... FREE SPAGHETTI DINNER WITH BERNIE TONIGHT AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I made a beeline for it because I love this guy.
The place was absolutely packed with the same folks you see at most of Bernie`s get togethers: old veterans, mechanics, schoolteachers, farmers-organic and otherwise, hippies, carpenters, deer hunters, store keepers, unemployed people, real estate salespeople, cooks, artisans, librarians, loggers, yoga instructors and curious bystanders. After Bernie gave a few prepared remarks, he turned the gathering over to the citizens and asked what was on our minds. The discussion was so enlightening, so uplifting. Bernie Sanders is a true man of the people and if he says something....believe it. He will never, ever have to hire a consultant to tell him what he needs to believe in. And, I am so thankful for his long-standing advocacy for veterans. |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:56 PM
haikugal (6,476 posts)
76. It's been many years since we've had an honest person running for office,
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and talking about real issues and real solutions. I've lived through many assassinations of such people and felt that it was an effort by the PTB to control us. I hope Bernie is careful and has security. I know he's aware of this, Bernie is a smart, courageous man, and I know he's committed to doing what needs to be done.
Bernie you're my hero, you have my support and my gratitude. |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:00 PM
orpupilofnature57 (15,472 posts)
77. He's got my Vote !!!!
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And anything else I can do for him, for us and most of all for myself . He's the 1% of the politicians who actually Like us .
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
SoCalMusicLover (3,194 posts)
80. I Would Like To Believe He Has A Chance To Win Nomination
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But realistically, I think Hillary is not going to allow herself to be beaten a 2nd time in the primaries.
Literally anything she must do, if she feels her frontrunner status is threatened, she will do. I don't put anything past her. Bernie will be comfortable in his own skin, moving forward if he does not get the nomination. Hillary, however, has a win at all costs attitude, and views this as her legacy. She was taken by surprise when Barrack came out of nowhere to challenge her, and she is not going to let a politician far to her left, get any traction in 2015. I hope Bernie is still in the race when CA primaries come around, as I intend to vote for him. |
Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #80)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:37 PM
NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)
86. I hope America doesn't blow this chance. May be the last
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opportunity we have before the oligarchs put the final clamp down on government, sealing their complete control.
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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #86)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:06 AM
Cosmocat (13,069 posts)
104. Not for nothing
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I am probably going to support Bernie in the primary, and I do tend to believe he is about as good as you can get, both in terms of personal integrity and also in terms of policy.
But, if he were to win the nomination, if he were to win the presidency, we still are probably headed where we are headed. Make no mistake, Bernie Sanders will not be immune to the treatment any democrat receives. Bill, Hillary, BHO, Kerry, Gore, Dean ... They republicans will find SOMETHING to slander and marginalize him, the media will gleefully go along for the ride with it, and democrats will leave him twisting in the wind. |
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:14 PM
Autumn (38,832 posts)
81. cali, here's the link to the Bernie Sanders group
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:27 PM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
84. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
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I love Bernie and Matt Taibbi.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:57 PM
silvershadow (10,336 posts)
85. Yep. Bernie or bust! nt
Response to cali (Original post)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:23 PM
woo me with science (32,139 posts)
89. Huge, huge K&R
Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:52 AM
fadedrose (10,044 posts)
101. I don't think Sanders knows how to lie
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about anything of consequence that is important to him and the country. It's just not in him.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:08 AM
Oilwellian (12,647 posts)
102. George Bush moves his lips when he reads?
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Great article! K&R |
Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:12 AM
Evar (44 posts)
105. The right man at the right time
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Sanders' motto could be A Man for the People, because he is just that, exactly the leader that America needs now. With his common sense, end corruption approach, he has appeal for the majority of Americans, regardless of party affiliation. He is my candidate.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:18 AM
BlancheSplanchnik (19,638 posts)
109. wow, thanks for this, cali!!
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Must read later!
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Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:49 AM
Orsino (37,416 posts)
112. "Completely honest"? In the US Senate? No.
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Impressively honest is plenty for me.
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Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:50 AM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
113. Thanks Matt Taibbi, it is Bernie's honesty that might just win this race for all of us.
Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:53 AM
raouldukelives (5,178 posts)
114. K&R Don't have the time left to play footsie with oligarchs anymore.
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It has brought our democracy to its knees, our country to the brink of ruin and it has brought our very time on this world to the brink of extinction.
Give em hell Bernie. Before they finish creating it. |
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Response to cali (Original post)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:48 PM
BeanMusical (4,389 posts)
120. Kick and R.
Response to cali (Original post)
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:13 PM
AtomicKitten (46,585 posts)
122. Matt nailed it. Again.
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