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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm compiling a list of Democratic leaders who no longer represent us.
Mostly because they don't pass the purity test. It's pretty short so far, but this is what I've got:
- Barack Obama
- Hillary Clinton
- Bill Clinton
- John Kerry
- Al Gore
Who am I missing?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The 10% we like will be Sanders and Warren and maybe one or two others.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Corporate money IS corrupting the direction of the party.
Your attempt to pretend that it's all fake outrage doesn't change that. I have always considered that one of the lamest rhetorical tactics used in corporate propaganda, to deny the obvious by pretending it's hyperbole.
Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Handing the internet to corporations? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons. Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.
Selling off swaths of the Gulf of Mexico for drilling? Both parties support it.
Drilling along the Atlantic Coast? Both parties support it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We have seen the scam at work for some time. United oligarchy masquerading as divided democracy:
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Partys deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass
Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how its played:
.... Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing...But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option Rockefeller is suddenly inclined to oppose it because he doesnt think the timing of it is very good and its too partisan. What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldnt pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he would not relent in ensuring its enactment.
The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just dont have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that theres a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.
This is what the Democratic Party does...Theyre willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as theres no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bushs eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bushs habeas and interrogation abuses (Gosh, what can we do? We just dont have 60 votes).
The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, its Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, its Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and breaking with their party to ensure Michael Mukaseys confirmation as Attorney General; then its Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then its Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they cant blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they dont need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Harry Reid, Pelosi
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Paled on comparison to FDR.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Social Security didn't apply to everyone back then.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I'm not really sure she ever represented "us" though.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)Imagine . . . President Ted Cruz.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The new leaders must be all in or out.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)lamp_shade
(14,816 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)But FDR got us into that war and JFK made his reputation rattling swords with the USSR.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)lamp_shade
(14,816 posts)No surprise, however, that you found something negative to say about each of them.
They're dead. Neither is currently representin'
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... that you are not taking this thread to be serious.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Had a point to make, and I am making it.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Not clever, not funny, unoriginal.
Fail.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)You better believe it!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)FSogol
(45,453 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The leaders we have to support, regardless of how little they fight for liberal ideals.
So far I have
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
John Kerry
Hmmm - where I have I seen that list before.
Bryant
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Oh wait... I think DU is dedicated to that topic this month. Probably for the coming year.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The requirements for passing the purity test are pretty steep, and a lot of our icons have failed:
- Barack Obama
- Hillary Clinton
- Bill Clinton
- Al Gore
- John Kerry
- John F. Kennedy
- Jackie Kennedy (she married a 1%er, after all)
- FDR
- Between 90% and 100% of Congress (Warren and Sanders not included)
- Jimmy Carter (no explanation given, but look at his family!)
- DWS (not sure who that is)
- Rahm Emmanuel (duh!!!)
- Buzz Clik (duh!)
- Capt. Obvious (my suggestion, based on spite)
- All elected Dems (I think Warren and Sanders fail this test -- we'll need a ruling)
We're running out of Democrats and rapidly approach Marxism (Groucho, not Karl): I would never join a club that would have me as a member.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Also Elizabeth Warren probably belongs on the list, she used to be a Republican.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)mulsh
(2,959 posts)I try to learn what I can about issues and make up my mind where I stand. the folk who represent me don't always vote or act in a way I support. That doesn't mean I don't support them. My only hard and fast rule, and i've had this since I could vote is I will never vote for a republican candidate.