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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am pro triple bipass operations
The more the better. Anyone trying to prevent them under the guise of comprehensive nutritional education has a hidden agenda.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Dying, for instance.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)still_one
(92,116 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)particularly because there are also genetic reasons for heart disease, not just nutritional ones.
There are also genetic reasons why some women cannot use birth control pills. For instance, approximately 5% of the population has a blood clotting disorder called Leiden Factor V. Any woman with this disorder cannot use birth control pills, rings, or injections because of the threat of deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolisms, and strokes.
Birth control education also needs to include information that the pill can be deadly to some women. Those same women also need to know that their rights to a safe and legal abortion are being protected.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I say that triple bypass operations should be safe, legal, and rare. Controversial I know, but there you go.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)You know a lot of people eat right and exercise and still end up one day needing bypass surgery.
Seriously, you sometimes dig so deep that your analogy posts are embarrassing.
All the nutritional education in the world won't change your DNA.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And it looks like you haven't fooled anyone.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Obviously it isn't preventable in cases of rape. Unless you mean the victim of poor education without sex ed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Obviously.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)You're not reading the replies in your own false equivalency thread. Some women cannot use birth control without putting their life at risk, thereby negating any effects of "education". What about that do you not understand?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)i got pregnant with perfect use of a diaphragm.
Second time I got pregnant after my husband had had a vasectomy the year previously.
Birth control fails. Even with perfect use.
You have declined to address that multiple times now and persist in trotting out false analogies and bad information.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I hope arely staircase has zero contact with children and isn't spewing this nonsense other than on an anonymous discussion board.
It's factually wrong and dangerous. Teens need to know that BC can fail. It will help them to also understand that abortion is also a necessary part of the family planning equation without shame or scolding that they simply weren't "educated" enough.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)should be called out for the fringe (creepy as another poster put it) nonsense that it is. Nothing else.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Creepy is your implication that anyone here said or implied education and contraception is bad.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The degree of emotion one feels about it - proud or whatever - doesn't factor in unless you're trying to shame someone. It's either ok to have an abortion (without shame or being called creepy if you're proud of your stance), or it's not.
Are you female or male arely? Just curious.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Make people who need heart surgery visit a couple of doctors and get some alternate opinions. See if they still want the triple bypass after finding out exactly what happens.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If they're lucky enough to be within driving distance, that is.
And make them watch ultrasounds of their heart beating and have "counselors" try to convince them they don't need the surgery.
Yeah, I like that, you are on to something, gollygee.
We're entitled to our own opinions on the op's procedure, after all.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)that should not be restricted in any way, shape or form, just like open heart surgery. And for those who need either, the availability of those procedures is a positive thing.
We all want to reduce the need for any medical procedure as much as possible, with diet and exercise with heart surgeries, and education and contraception with abortion, but neither is foolproof, and the procedures should always remain available when needed.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Contraception.
Nobody.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)medically induced abortions should remain safe and effective, as well as widely available, its a medical procedure, and ideally one that would only rarely be used, but not because of any moral hangups, but for the convenience of the women involved, even in the most pro-choice society, you will still have to visit a doctor at least once, and that can be a hassle in itself, even if the visit is just like visiting any other doctor. So prevention is ideal, but abortion should always be available.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)There is a certain group here who always use this exact same false either/or tactic on pretty much every issue that comes up.
I support your stance, fully.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe they should have to fight their way through a mob of vicious assholes who want to stop them from having the procedure.
But we'll be sympathetic even though they should have made better choices.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And strange rules that only apply to hospitals and clinics that do such procedures. It's the only way.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Because being pro-triple bypass is creepy.
And I shouldn't have to pay for the operation either, this could have all been prevented.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)No government funding is the way. Why should the taxpayers pay to fund preventable procedures? We should only pay in the case of unpreventable defects or damage. Otherwise it's just immoral.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The poster shouldn't have eaten all those Big Macs, tsk.
But I'm not judging them or anything.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We are just educating the masses.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When will people learn not to cross DU's feminists?
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Divorce is the analogy that Sarah Weddington used.
Obviously it is not what anyone expects or anticipates when they get married, but things don't always go as planned. I have supported and even advocated divorce for friends.
Having known women who have had difficulty obtaining one, I think it should be more readily available to all. It can rescue a quality of life and even prevent tragedy.
Just as abortion should be easily affordable and accessible to any woman who thinks it is the best choice for her situation.