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Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:48 PM

Liz Warren is correct - give the public the facts

If it's such a great deal, why the secrecy?

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Reply Liz Warren is correct - give the public the facts (Original post)
malaise Apr 2015 OP
Logical Apr 2015 #1
appalachiablue Apr 2015 #6
malaise Apr 2015 #8
appalachiablue Apr 2015 #15
malaise Apr 2015 #27
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #2
morningfog Apr 2015 #4
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #7
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #11
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #13
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #16
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #17
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #18
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #20
morningfog Apr 2015 #21
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #24
morningfog Apr 2015 #25
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #29
JDPriestly Apr 2015 #31
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #34
polichick Apr 2015 #3
still_one Apr 2015 #5
emulatorloo Apr 2015 #9
KeepItReal Apr 2015 #10
djean111 Apr 2015 #12
KMOD Apr 2015 #14
morningfog Apr 2015 #19
KMOD Apr 2015 #22
Elwood P Dowd Apr 2015 #23
MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #26
SheilaT Apr 2015 #28
JDPriestly Apr 2015 #30
AzDar Apr 2015 #32
blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #33
closeupready Apr 2015 #35
Skittles Apr 2015 #36

Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:49 PM

1. So damn true. What a scam. I love her. So clear and so smart. Wow, we need her. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:53 PM

6. Right, lay it all out, let the press & people see it as she said. Also how Americans have been

hurt by these trade deals in the past. Warren's truth and courage are precious, esp. in this corporate age-

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:56 PM

8. Fugg the press and their hacks

the vast majority of the press are corporate hacks. Make it public -let the people read and understand the deal.

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Response to malaise (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:06 PM

15. Including independent, alternative media, not only M$M is likely what Warren meant

when she brought up the press. The woman's smart, as we know.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:35 PM

27. OK to that part of the press n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:50 PM

2. The public will never the facts when they have been established. n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:51 PM

4. I think there's a typo in your post.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:54 PM

7. Yes ... Darned "smartphone ...

 

The public will HAVE the facts when they are established.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:59 PM

11. After the law is passed?

 

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:04 PM

13. That is not what is going to happen ...

 

there will be a release to the public (and Congress) 120 days before any congressional vote.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:09 PM

16. How many of those days does Congress have to be in session?

 

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:12 PM

17. I don't know; but, I suspect ...

 

the clock is based on congress in session.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:15 PM

18. 120 days is a lot. Can't wait to see how they divvy it up once...

 

They start the clock.

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Response to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:19 PM

20. 120 days is more than enough time for ...

 

the agreement to be released, advocates (on both sides) to analyze and parse every single line of the document, and then communication assent or rejection to our Congressional Reps.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:19 PM

21. So no public input as to what is or is not included,

 

and we'll be given 120 days to bark at the cloud. Meaningless. This is a secret deal to benefit those privy to it. Those on the outside are getting screwed.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:24 PM

24. There has NEVER been public input into ANY international negotiation ...

 

this brand new "public input/negotiation transparency" bone being chewed is completely ahistorical.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:32 PM

25. You prefer it this way? You like NAFTA?

 

You think this is going to be a great deal?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:45 PM

29. Having participated in "high stakes" negotiation ...

 

I recognize the efficacy of non-public negotiations, where only the final deal is made public.

You think this is going to be a great deal?


I don't know. But if I had to guess (based primarily on the speculation track record of DUers that are convinced it will be a bad deal), I would goal in that it'll be a GREAT deal.

But if I had to guess based on the available information ... I'd have to pass, as there is no way to know.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:48 PM

31. It's a corporate coup!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:27 PM

34. Yeah. Okay. n/t

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:50 PM

3. On this issue she's the champion of the people - and also of democracy.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:53 PM

5. More than reasonable

This is the DU member formerly known as still_one.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:56 PM

9. Yes.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:58 PM

10. Agreed.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:01 PM

12. There are protests in the other signatory countries. And EU has protests about the TTIP.

 

Just Google TPP protest country of your choice.

Not just us protesting.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:05 PM

14. The public will see it

 

The final wording of the Trans-Pacific Partnership has to be made public at least 60 days before Obama signs any agreement. Congressional action likely would take another two months, which Wyden said gives the public and lawmakers plenty of time to understand and debate the provisions in the trade pact, which is still under final negotiations.


http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2015/04/ron_wyden_reaches_deal_on_fast.html

http://www.finance.senate.gov/download/?id=FEC41212-F7AF-4A6D-BF83-978401999DAF

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Response to KMOD (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:17 PM

19. It's incredibly naive to think that after all the effort

 

put in this far, that it won't be signed at the end of the 60 and 120 days.

The problem is, any public input at that point would be aye or nay for a done deal.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:21 PM

22. But Wyden won a provision that will allow the Senate to turn off the fast track authority .

 

Wyden fought for, and won, a number of provisions aimed at ensuring greater public transparency in the trade negotiations, as well as a key provision that would allow the Senate to turn off the fast-track authority if the Obama administration fails to live up to certain requirements during the negotiations.

"One issue that has come up again and again is the excessive secrecy that seems to have accompanied so much of this debate," Wyden said Thursday. "American trade policy needs to be debated openly."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/16/senators-bipartisan-bill-would-give-obama-key-powers-on-trade/


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Response to morningfog (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:24 PM

23. Plus Obama and the next President has Fast Track authority until 2021.

Remember CAFTA? Bush submitted that using Fast Track authority given him a few years earlier. Everyone said it didn't have the votes to pass. They called a late night session, greased a few palms, twisted a few arms, and passed it at 2:00 AM one Saturday morning.

Passing TPA could come back to haunt us for years depending on who wins in 2016.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:35 PM

26. This has been addressed

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026551860

The real question is why people are following a "former" Republican. Very telling, I think.

Regards,

TWM

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:39 PM

28. And where is Hillary Clinton on this issue?

 

The oh, so populist Hillary these days. Have I missed all the threads crowing about how she's ahead of Warren on this issue? Do I need the sarcasm thingy?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:46 PM

30. K&R.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:50 PM

32. Yep. So much for President Transparency, huh?

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:09 PM

33. https://jahanc.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/obama-laughing-on-af1.jpg

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:29 PM

35. The truth will set us all free. K&R

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:44 PM

36. stupid people think we just need to TRUST

VERY stupid people

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