HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Hillary Clinton’s Soft Po...

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:52 PM

Hillary Clinton’s Soft Populism Is Not Enough

http://www.thenation.com/blog/204041/hillary-clintons-soft-populism-not-enough

Full article at link above, just an excerpt:

The Democratic nominee in 2016 has to propose a specific populism that recognizes the failure of free-trade deals such as NAFTA and join Elizabeth Warren in rejecting proposals to “Fast Track” a Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement that critics warns will be “NAFTA on steroids.” The Democratic nominee has to recognize that the Dodd-Frank reforms were insufficient and that Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown is right when he proposes to break up “too-big-to-fail” banks. The Democratic nominee must recognize the need to raise new revenues, as Congressman Keith Ellison has with his proposal for a “Robin Hood Tax” on financial speculation. The Democratic nominee must, as Congresswoman Barbara Lee does, recognize the need to steer money away from bloated Pentagon budgets and toward meeting human needs. The Democratic nominee must, as Bernie Sanders does, recognize the absolute necessity of massive federal investments in infrastructure and programs that create and sustain living-wage jobs.


How about it, HRC? We want progressive values & action, let's start on TPP this week. The American people need a champion.

35 replies, 2013 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 35 replies Author Time Post
Reply Hillary Clinton’s Soft Populism Is Not Enough (Original post)
mother earth Apr 2015 OP
hifiguy Apr 2015 #1
bvar22 Apr 2015 #5
mother earth Apr 2015 #12
RiverNoord Apr 2015 #14
hifiguy Apr 2015 #16
MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #23
YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #35
polichick Apr 2015 #2
Doctor_J Apr 2015 #3
zeemike Apr 2015 #8
bvar22 Apr 2015 #4
pipoman Apr 2015 #6
Maedhros Apr 2015 #7
JDPriestly Apr 2015 #9
KamaAina Apr 2015 #10
MisterP Apr 2015 #11
mother earth Apr 2015 #17
bvar22 Apr 2015 #32
Cryptoad Apr 2015 #13
mother earth Apr 2015 #18
Cryptoad Apr 2015 #20
mother earth Apr 2015 #21
maindawg Apr 2015 #15
mother earth Apr 2015 #24
maindawg Apr 2015 #30
YOHABLO Apr 2015 #19
mother earth Apr 2015 #22
TantaLois Apr 2015 #25
mother earth Apr 2015 #27
cali Apr 2015 #33
seveneyes Apr 2015 #26
djean111 Apr 2015 #28
Thespian2 Apr 2015 #29
woo me with science Apr 2015 #31
mother earth Apr 2015 #34

Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:59 PM

1. Well, that champion ain't gonna be HRC.

 

Every word she speaks in public is, I have no doubt, pre-approved by Goldman, Citibank and the MIC. Associations speak far more loudly than words.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hifiguy (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:39 PM

5. Like these associations?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bvar22 (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:26 PM

12. Tx for this, bvar22. It is important to know.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bvar22 (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:38 PM

14. Oh, come on...

 

Those financial and media companies are chock full of deeply patriotic Americans who just can't throw enough of their wealth in support of our cherished democratic institutions!

Well, maybe not Credit Suisse - but I'm sure that's just the Swiss yearning for the freedoms they so obviously don't have at home.

Even that deeply altruistic Australian Rupert Murdoch managed to send a bunch of money her way. This is democracy at its finest.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bvar22 (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:39 PM

16. Eeyup! nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bvar22 (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:58 PM

23. I should cross-check this with the amount of corporate taxes paid...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hifiguy (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:29 PM

35. Guilt by association nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:02 PM

2. HRC is a real populist now; she'll fight the TPP. Woohoo!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:23 PM

3. Well, if she's going to champion all of the people, that includes the banksters, insurance CEO's,

 

Koch brothers, and Bill Gates. So don't jump to conclusions

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Doctor_J (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:17 PM

8. There is always the caveat.

All the people who count.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:37 PM

4. Nailed It.

Can't disagree with a single issue raised in the OP.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:58 PM

6. I view the country, beyond party lines, as a pressure cooker

 

(Maybe being a professional cook makes this relevant to me). Wonderful things can be done to foods in a pressure cooker...it can turn a tough dry piece of meat tender and juicy..it can breakdown pulpy, inedible fruit into wonderful jams and jellies...it can make a boney fish reasonable to eat...the battles between the parties has always led to reasonable measure in the long term for society. This whole abandonment of US jobs and US labor along with the keeping down of standard of living in other participating nations..is raising the preasure. A pressure cooker can, if not properly attended, blow up taking out your kitchen and maybe your head...if someone snatches it off the heat and opens the escape valve, it will pressure down. The masses aren't at the point of blowing up, someone better pull it off the heat soon..whichever party takes up the cause of failure of trade policy will gain traction, the cause of police actions from asset forfeiture, no knock, stop and search, monitoring of telephone and other communication, etc will gain traction, the cause of international policy like the war on drugs, and championing the cause of international business will gain.

I just don't believe Hillary Clinton can convince anyone that she champions any of these things. Assuming she gets the nomination as long as the Republican doesn't have more of the populist agenda than she, she could win..throw a third party with a strong populist bent and all bets are off...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:15 PM

7. That's the real issue, isn't it?

 

Actual, helpful, Liberal policies vs. cheap talk.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:18 PM

9. Great article.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:19 PM

10. Isn't "soft populism" kind of an oxymoron?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:23 PM

11. will it delay resistance and take the wind out of the competition's sails,

and make her appealing enough to get in, then to be discarded at any big donor's request?

we've been told repeatedly that a candidate's record and ideology are not our concern, only their rhetoric

question is--will we prove them right?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MisterP (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:44 PM

17. It's pretty scarey knowing that some elections get by without even addressing issues, I think a

certain tipping point has been reached.

There are signs everywhere that all is not well, and we get it because we live it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:52 PM

32. Debates used to be sponsored by the League of Women Voters.

They actually asked pertinent policy questions.


In 1987, the LWV withdrew from debate sponsorship, in protest of the major party candidates attempting to dictate nearly every aspect of how the debates were conducted. On October 2, 1988, the LWV's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release:

" The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates...because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

According to the LWV, they pulled out because "the campaigns presented the League with their debate agreement on September 28, two weeks before the scheduled debate. The campaigns' agreement was negotiated 'behind closed doors' ... [with] 16 pages of conditions not subject to negotiation. Most objectionable to the League...were conditions in the agreement that gave the campaigns unprecedented control over the proceedings.... [including] control the selection of questioners, the composition of the audience, hall access for the press and other issues."


"The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:34 PM

13. HRC is not now or ever has been a Progressive,,,,

might as well get your Stand with Rand sign ready..

the Nation???? really

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cryptoad (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:45 PM

18. Really? Maybe a Stand with Sanders sign would be better, but perhaps HRC will take

Warren's lead and answer her call to take a stance against TPP? You think Rand is against TPP? Hell, he's helping legislate it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:47 PM

20. Next to HRC,,,

Paul is the next most Progressive candidate in the Race...... you pick em,

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cryptoad (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:48 PM

21. so far, you think there will be NO one vying for the democratic nomination? Rand Paul is

no progressive. If you think he is, it is quite telling.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:38 PM

15. She could have made a grand entrance.

 

It would have looked like the Dem convention with red velvet and a huge stage. She could have made such a spectacular show of it but she did not.
She has kind of disappeared. I hear that she is driving across the country to Iowa, in a red van. With god knows who, possibly , Kramer.
When she finally surfaces, she will have to be ready to answer some questions.

It will be interesting to listen to her talk about these issues as a candidate. She is the successor to the same political machine that our current president serves.

We know who that is ? I mean , do we ?

when you look at Hillary, you are looking in the mirror, kind of.

She may be traveling with Beavis and butthead or Kramer with the keys, or cheech and chong , she may be with some girl scout troop at a stop over at a jamborie, she may be taking the scenic route passing through weed topia to signal her approval of a life she left behind. She has gone underground and could have hopped a train in hoboing across Oklahoma as we speak, hell she might be having hamburgers in some greasy spoon with Elvis or the illegitimate sun uv Elvis. [Thats a good name for a band there]


We dont know where Hillary is at right now. With Boyce and Hart in some cabin trying to get Mike Nesbit to take his guitar playing seriously? You decide.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to maindawg (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:01 PM

24. I'm looking forward to hearing those answers. I'd love nothing more than to see a true people's

champion, but you can't be Wall St's or TPP's hero and the people's at the same time. You have to choose.

I'm grateful for the fine examples we do have in our party.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:08 PM

30. Clarity

 

As we would ask the right to choose between Jesus and Ann Rand , we must also......
?list=RDljRJakYlRe4

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:47 PM

19. If we had anything close to a Democracy, candidates wouldn't have to grovel for contributions.

 

Suppose we set campaign contribution limits from corporate donors at a rate of about 20 million? We make it law that those channels that broadcast on the public airwaves (which we supposedly own .. the public that is) must allow x amount of time for advertisement etc. When candidates aren't obligated to serve the needs of corporations, then we will restore this country to a democratic society rather than the oligarchy that it's become. The nasty realization that we have a government saturated with lobbyist hounding Congress, obviously for favors that relate to their bottom line, PROFIT, is really what is at the root of this cancer in Washington. Talk about a colonic cleanse.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to YOHABLO (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:54 PM

22. I seriously agree! There needs to be campaign finance reform, it is absolutely ridiculous to

pretend our candidates care one bit about income inequality and poverty while they are set to spend billions.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:10 PM

25. check her voting record

Hillary was in the 11% most Liberal of Senators in her voting record. That was not easy. Lets push her in the right direction - with support. The alternative is dark.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TantaLois (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:25 PM

27. You have this a bit backwards, our support is dictated by her direction and stances, the alternative

IS very dark.

You know what's darker? We are dying by oligarchy hand. Big money is dictating the new normal and lack of rule of law, now they want power beyond nations, and they want it fast tracked.

How do you return to a gov't that represents its people, when big money buys it all?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TantaLois (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:59 PM

33. voting records do not accurately reflect who a politican is.

 

they are easily manipulated and easily interpreted to mean what you want them to mean.

Hillary is not liberal on economic issues. She's not particularly liberal on education issues (big time supporter of Charter Schools). She's a hawk.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:10 PM

26. This is the trip, the best part

 

Successful hills are here to stay
Everything must be this way
Gentle streets where people play
Welcome to the Soft Parade

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:39 PM

28. It is faked campaign blather populism. n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:54 PM

29. K & R, hugely

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mother earth (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:11 PM

31. Lying populism.

It is what all Third Way Democrats do.

They lie through campaigns pretending to stand for traditional Democratic policies in order to get elected, but then they pursue a corporate agenda. Her record is crystal clear. On all of the most important policies, she represents the very same defense, legalization, and expansion of the most malignant policies of the Bush era--secret laws, secret courts, mass surveillance, and looting corporatism--that we have come to expect from Third Way corporatists in Democrat costumes.

We have united oligarchy now, not divided democracy.

Hillary's agenda is predatory toward Americans and democracy itself.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to woo me with science (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:05 PM

34. United oligarchy, yes, that is exactly what it is we are up against.

:hi

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread