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I think it would be a mistake to dismiss... (Original Post) one_voice Apr 2015 OP
I don't think anyone is yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #1
Yeah, the water thing is funny... one_voice Apr 2015 #3
Remember his TV debut? peace13 Apr 2015 #2
Yeah, I do... one_voice Apr 2015 #5
He speaks well? Seriously? Atman Apr 2015 #4
CT Governor Malloy is a horrible speaker, imo bigwillq Apr 2015 #6
And Rubio was elected in Florida... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #14
Florida is the "Clown Car" of states. Atman Apr 2015 #35
Have you heard the number of "aahhs" Obama says. former9thward Apr 2015 #23
Lol, you think speaking is one of Obama's weak spots? Hee heeeeee bettyellen Apr 2015 #40
I guess you have never heard his press conferences. former9thward Apr 2015 #42
Ridiculous. He thinks on his feet and slays the BS better than anyone holding his bettyellen Apr 2015 #43
I said he says 'ahh' a lot in pressers. former9thward Apr 2015 #54
He's lost without a teleprompter! BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #51
Did not say that. former9thward Apr 2015 #53
You can tell when he's bored/uninterested BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #58
oh i know. I can't listen to him speak for that reason. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #55
I once dismissed W. /nt yardwork Apr 2015 #7
He's a lightweight who will be overshadowed by Bush brush Apr 2015 #8
There is a school of thought that he is running interference for Jebbie KamaAina Apr 2015 #11
If that is all he was doing he would run for re-election to the Senate former9thward Apr 2015 #25
He's the best of the lot so far KamaAina Apr 2015 #9
not ready for primetime spanone Apr 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Apr 2015 #38
Thanks for posting that photo. I laugh every time I see it. nt brush Apr 2015 #39
I might worry if I thought he would get the nomination OKNancy Apr 2015 #12
Definitely recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #13
"not unlike Obama" Your concern is noted NightWatcher Apr 2015 #15
"your concern is noted" is such dog shit. It's just an ever lame attempt to smear. Sickening. cali Apr 2015 #16
No the "fear of Rubio" is horseshit. Are you seriously scared of Rubio? NightWatcher Apr 2015 #18
No, the smear was saying, "not unlike Obama" when referring to a swarmy repuke. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #19
That's not at all how I meant it. n/t one_voice Apr 2015 #31
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: I love Cali L0oniX Apr 2015 #32
LOL. a tiny minority, but nice to see. My thanks. cali Apr 2015 #50
It's important to H2O Man Apr 2015 #20
I predict Rubio to be the first to drop out, if he hasn't already NightWatcher Apr 2015 #24
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #34
lol Cha Apr 2015 #48
Yes, thank you.... one_voice Apr 2015 #29
Excuse me?.... one_voice Apr 2015 #26
Rubio is the weakest repuke out there NightWatcher Apr 2015 #27
Is Obama running again? Atman Apr 2015 #36
How very strange. Autumn Apr 2015 #57
He may not be a threat to Obama but Hillary is a different story. She's the Autumn Apr 2015 #56
I don't think so. Don't you remember the water bottle swig after the SOTU speech? CTyankee Apr 2015 #17
Indeed. For one thing, Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #21
He's a fucking idiot madokie Apr 2015 #22
Never dismiss a political party that in EVERY presidential election will suppress enough NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #28
i have never heard him speak well JI7 Apr 2015 #30
He is a terrible speaker. bravenak Apr 2015 #33
Excellent points, brave! "And he's anti cuba and we wanna be friends with Cuba." Cha Apr 2015 #47
Yeah, but 'cept... madamesilverspurs Apr 2015 #37
I think it would be a mistake to dismiss any of those Republicans Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #41
I don't dismiss any of them. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #44
Experience? BlueStater Apr 2015 #45
Guess you haven't heard.. he lied about his back story. Surprise! Cha Apr 2015 #46
538 on Rubio Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #49
How many Cuban Americans are baptized Mormon? B Calm Apr 2015 #52
The teabaggers are the ones dismissing him workinclasszero Apr 2015 #59
I agree. tammywammy Apr 2015 #60
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I don't think anyone is
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:24 PM
Apr 2015

Well the water thing is funny but when things get serious the water thing will fade and real issues will emerge. A little water humor for a day or two won't distract the real goal of ensuring he does not make it to the White House.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
3. Yeah, the water thing is funny...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

I think it's a nervous thing.

It will be interesting when the debates get here.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
2. Remember his TV debut?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:26 PM
Apr 2015

Sweating and gulping water with each lie! It would take a lot of training but ...they have time.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
4. He speaks well? Seriously?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

He mispronounces and has to repeat every other word, especially those that are supposed to be his key applause lines. If only half of the flubs can be dismissed as "Freudian slips," he's still screwing up the other half. I didn't expect to like this speech, but I didn't expect it to be this horrible, either.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
14. And Rubio was elected in Florida...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

Because thye're both known on a more local basis...someone as stupid and incoherent in public like Rubio will have trouble making people unfamiliar with him want to vote for him.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
35. Florida is the "Clown Car" of states.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:58 PM
Apr 2015

Once Rubio hops out of the car and does his juggling routine for the rest of the country, he's finished.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. Ridiculous. He thinks on his feet and slays the BS better than anyone holding his
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:16 AM
Apr 2015

Office since Kennedy. Yup. Ridiculous.
Always see you here hating on Dems, what is up with that?

former9thward

(31,963 posts)
54. I said he says 'ahh' a lot in pressers.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:33 AM
Apr 2015

If you don't hear that then you are turning a deaf ear to them. I will ignore your personal attack.

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
58. You can tell when he's bored/uninterested
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:05 AM
Apr 2015

Re-run the post mid-term presser if you doubt his abilities when he is suitably engaged.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
55. oh i know. I can't listen to him speak for that reason.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015

drives me NUTS!!! I haven't listened to an Obama speech since his first year in office, the aaaahs are horrible.

brush

(53,759 posts)
8. He's a lightweight who will be overshadowed by Bush
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:43 PM
Apr 2015

His raison d'etre for running is his Latino heritage but Bush matches him in that with his Latina wife and son.

Rubio won't even win in Florida as the teabaggers are already dumping him.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. There is a school of thought that he is running interference for Jebbie
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:15 PM
Apr 2015

by splitting the teabagger vote.

Response to spanone (Reply #10)

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. I might worry if I thought he would get the nomination
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:21 PM
Apr 2015

but he doesn't stand a chance. Too many Republicans don't like him, he doesn't have enough money, and he isn't crazy enough.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
13. Definitely recommended.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:26 PM
Apr 2015

It's not a good idea to dismiss any of the republicans.

The reasons you noted are solid reasons to NOT dismiss Rubio. While I expect he would get the VP nod with any republican but Jeb, I think he would get more votes for the ticket than the average VP candidate.

Thank you for this.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
18. No the "fear of Rubio" is horseshit. Are you seriously scared of Rubio?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

He's nothing like Obama. He's a dribbling moron who could not speak for five minutes without fumbling over a bottle of water.


On edit: How is pointing out unfounded concern "dog shit". This OP is very weak and seems to be fishing for fear where there should be none.


H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
20. It's important to
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:38 PM
Apr 2015

put that in context. I do not believe that "one voice" is saying that she/he thinks that their stories are similar, much less the two men are. Rather, the media has been saying that Rubio has an appeal to republicans, similar to what Senator Barack Obama's appeal was to human beings in 2007-08. That can be true, without it meaning that the character of the two men are similar.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
24. I predict Rubio to be the first to drop out, if he hasn't already
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:40 PM
Apr 2015

He has ZERO appeal down here to republicans and only beat Charlie "What Party am I" Christ for a Senate spot.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
29. Yes, thank you....
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:42 PM
Apr 2015

I guess I worded it poorly.

I'm a huge fan of President Obama's and would never compare him to the likes of Rubio.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
26. Excuse me?....
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:40 PM
Apr 2015

I voted for President Obama twice. I think he did a good job as president.

I thought Rubio ripped Obama and tried to play 'the only in America' card. He's not to be trusted---he used his dead dad...etc....

I do have concern, real concern, I don't want a republican in the white house EVER.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
27. Rubio is the weakest repuke out there
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:42 PM
Apr 2015

He is no real threat to Obama. I am not concerned about him in the slightest, and I don't believe anyone else should be concerned either.

Autumn

(45,026 posts)
56. He may not be a threat to Obama but Hillary is a different story. She's the
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:39 AM
Apr 2015

one running this time. I dismissed George Bush. I won't make the mistake of dismissing any republican ever again. We do that at our own peril.

CTyankee

(63,900 posts)
17. I don't think so. Don't you remember the water bottle swig after the SOTU speech?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

ICK.

He's got to lay down some more serious tracks before he can be considered serious...the guy doesn't have the charisma or the ability to charm that Obama had and has still. It just ain't there...

madokie

(51,076 posts)
22. He's a fucking idiot
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

The last time we had one of them we're still climbing out of the hole he left us in. Fuck Marco Rubio and the republiCON horse he rode in on

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
28. Never dismiss a political party that in EVERY presidential election will suppress enough
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:42 PM
Apr 2015

votes to in effect steal 3-5% of the vote.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
33. He is a terrible speaker.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:46 PM
Apr 2015

Lacks confidence, uses bad talking points, cannot connect with a broad spectrum of people. And he's anti cuba and we wanna be friends with Cuba.

madamesilverspurs

(15,800 posts)
37. Yeah, but 'cept...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:14 PM
Apr 2015

He's better known than Obama was, been covered more extensively than O was prior to announcing. He announced to a roomful of supporters in a climate-controlled room in Florida; Obama announced to a huge crowd outdoors in bitter cold Chicago. It could be argued that Rubio selected a room that would be easy to fill...

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
41. I think it would be a mistake to dismiss any of those Republicans
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 01:35 AM
Apr 2015

After all, both Reagan and Bush Jr. got to stay in the White House for 8 years. And people in California swooned over an air-headed celebrity who was running for governator.

Behind the Aegis

(53,936 posts)
44. I don't dismiss any of them.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:21 AM
Apr 2015

Remember Bush? DU hadn't been born, but I remember reading how he wasn't a real contender and Gore was a shoe-in. How'd that go? You are correct not to dismiss anyone because, sadly, when it comes to voting, it seems the crazier the candidate on the right, the more the right is energized; parts of the left are often too busy trashing their own candidate to notice.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
45. Experience?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:04 AM
Apr 2015

You mean his four years as a senator where he's accomplished absolutely nothing of note?

I don't dismiss anybody, but the man is a total empty suit. I find it ironic that he's presenting himself as a candidate of the future when all of his viewpoints, from Cuba to gay marriage, are completely stuck in the past.

And, personally, I have never once found him impressive as a speaker. The media is obviously seeing something I don't.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
49. 538 on Rubio
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:16 AM
Apr 2015
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s campaign, which officially kicks off Monday, has so far attracted paltry support from Republican voters, according to polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as nationally. He’s down near Chris Christie! Yet, when we talk about him in the FiveThirtyEight office, we usually put Rubio in the top tier, in front of everyone except Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, the two candidates at the top of the polls.

Why? Rubio is both electable and conservative, and in optimal proportions. He’s in a position to satisfy the GOP establishment, tea party-aligned voters and social conservatives. In fact, Rubio’s argument for the GOP nomination looks a lot like Walker’s, and Rubio is more of a direct threat to the Wisconsin governor than he is to fellow Floridian Bush.

To win a presidential nomination, you need to make it past the party actors (i.e., elected officials and highly dedicated partisans). You can have all the strong early poll numbers in the world (hello, Rudy Giuliani), and your candidacy can still fail if party bigwigs come out against you. Rubio has a real chance of surviving — or even winning — the invisible (or endorsement) primary.

Rubio doesn’t have the flaws the other two official GOP candidates have. He’s a hawk on foreign policy (with an 89 percent conservative foreign policy score in National Journal’s vote ratings), so he’ll be able to avoid the pitfalls of Rand Paul’s candidacy. And Rubio isn’t anywhere near as extreme as Ted Cruz and has not alienated his fellow senators, so we shouldn’t expect mainstream party members coming out of the woodwork to stop Rubio. But he’s a solid conservative; statistical ideological ratings put him right in line with the average Republican in the 113th Congress.

....

538
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
59. The teabaggers are the ones dismissing him
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

The baggers don't think he's a true believer plus he's brown.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
60. I agree.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:15 AM
Apr 2015

He shouldn't be easily dismissed. He's one of the stronger candidates in the GOP field. It seems people fear a Bush-Rubio split in the primary voting. I also wonder when Walker is going to jump in. A friend of mine really thinks Walker will win the nomination over Bush.

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