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Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:18 AM

Will the Dems in 2015 allow "the perfect to become the enemy of the good"?

I've checked in a couple of times today to take the pulse of this board in reaction to Hillary announcing her candidacy and I was hoping that the Dems in 2015 won't permit themselves to become entrenched to the point that we, (to borrow a much maligned phrase from President Obama), " allow the perfect to become the enemy of the necessity".

And yes I meant to say 2015, and not 2016 because if we play out cards right and screw things up enough, this thing could be over with before 2016 gets here.

The GOP which holds one BS convention, forum, pep rally, symposium etc, a month, will take their F'd Up candidates warts and all, but for some strange reason, our party is always in search of that elusive candidate who represents the perfect Dem whose just there waiting on the sidelines to throw their hat in the ring, and take on the F'd up job of being a candidate for the President of the United States in his modern era of 24/7, 2 year campaigning/fundraising, Koch Bros financed sandbagging, gotcha politics, in the era where a lie can make it around the world before the truth can get its pants on. There is NO perfect candidate for the Democratic nomination, whomever that might be if he or she exists at all. We have to accept the fact that a good percentage of our party is too busy Keeping Up With the Kardashians to bother with knowing who the current Vice President of our country is.

There is too much at state with the way the likes of groups like ALEC and the Koch Bros have managed to turn their minorities numbers into majorities legislature office holders in so many Red States by rewriting the rules in less than a decade. And if they are permitted to take the one remaining obstacle in their way, The Presidency, there may be no way of EVER undoing the havoc they might be able to reap on this nation and the world, in my lifetime with them in charge of the SCOTUS. Get over it people. The God, Guns, and Gold Party are in it to win it in 2016. We need to get behind the one candidate who wants the job, and is capable of beating whatever candidate that other party puts out and get excited about it, and quit your bitchin.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:20 AM

1. K and R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANYBODY BUT A REPUBLICAN!!!!!! DINO, 3rd Way, DLC, I don't care. This is simply way too important to prevent the unthinkable. Would I love a Sanders or Warren or Gore or Kucinich? Of course, but I'm realistic enough to accept that probably won't happen. And franky, I don't relish the thought of my dream president being castigated for another four years. Hillary is tough--she can take it.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:27 AM

2. I LOL'd at GET OVER IT PEOPLE.

TSFS.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:37 AM

3. oh goodie. that old chestnut again. How original. Line up and salute is essentially what you're

 

saying.

Fuck that. I'll vote for her if she's the candidate- and if she loses in the general I will say I told you so a hundred times.

She's a piss poor candidate.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:40 AM

4. It is what it is.. We'll see who the nominee is.. but, if it's Hillary this board will work together

to get her elected.

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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:48 AM

11. I will vote for her, but my feet will be staying at home, and my wallet will remain closed.

I'll vote for the big "D" in the football game that is now the Presidential race, but out of the "maybe" candidates, Chafee is the only one who will get my time/money.

She gets a vote; not work. And that's okay.

The last time I put aside my disgust and worked for a candidate was Kerry 2004. Ain't doing that again.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:17 AM

5. wish I wasn't so old

 

We needed more than a Hubert Humphrey .

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:24 AM

6. That's a really stupid cliche.

At least, when applied to political campaigns, which it always seems to be. It is a tool frequently brought out by those who don't want their corporate candidate abandoned by those who see the writing on the wall. And it's been used ad nauseum for many years before Obama entered the political arena; if he said it, he was repeating it. He didn't make it up.

The fact is, there is never any perfect political candidate, or perfect political situation. Perfect, at least in politics, doesn't exist.

Using that stupid cliche to suggest that people should not hold out for a candidate worth supporting, that they should refrain from opposing candidates who do not represent them, because they aren't "perfect" is a simple rhetorical tactic to discourage support for better candidates.

No candidate is perfect. Any non-neo-liberal Democrat is a better choice than a neo-liberal Democrat. I don't need perfect. I don't need a neo-liberal, either, and telling me to support a neo-liberal because neo-liberal policy is somehow "good" is ludicrous, and destined to fail.

"Quit your bitchin" is just another way of saying "shut up and get in line." While silencing opposition is certainly an effective strategy if you can do so, it's not exactly democratic, and it only works on the weak-minded.

I guess you'd better hope that enough voters are weak-minded.



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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:25 AM

7. I believe my vote must be earned.

If they want me and others to vote for them, then they should nominate a candidate that reflects my views.

My vote is not given away for free because of some threat of what might happen should someone else get elected.

Furthermore, anyone who marches in lockstep regardless of the candidate is sacrificing their own political views and making their achievement even less likely to happen.

Is Hillary the right candidate? Maybe she is, but I'm not impressed with her past work as an elected official. There was a reason she lost to Obama, and if she comes out and runs the same campaign as in 2008, I don't hold much hope for her.

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:36 AM

8. True. And hopefully a "good" announce as a Democratic candidate sometime soon

Right now we only have a bad vs. a whole bunch of worse

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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:44 AM

9. We hear that tired meme every four years, and it never gets any less tired .......


..... Hell, we can't even get adequate, let alone good.


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Response to politicaljunkie41910 (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:46 AM

10. Not gonna work this time.

It's a tired old boring little screed you got going there and the your use of the word "bitchin" is a bit offensive because wanting a candidate willing to fight those jerks you are complaining about is not "bitchin". How long has this shit you are "bitchin" about been going on now? And you think voting as usual for whatever corporate friendly candidate that is pushed at us is gonna put an end to it and we should stop "OUR bitchin" ? Nah, not this time.

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