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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:17 AM Apr 2015

How far would you go to tear down a cardboard fort?

Assume there is a city ordinance duly passed against unsightly displays in pubic view but the homeowner has built a fort for his children and the neighborhood kids. Notice has been served that the fort has to be taken down but the homeowner refuses, stating the ordinance is stupid and the kids are having fun.

He receives a citation but since he considers the citation to be based on flawed reasoning of a flawed ordinance he refuses to pay it. He is then served with a summons to appear in court but now his mindset is the flaws have reached an absurd level so he again refuses to answer to the authorities. A bench warrant is issued for his arrest. He does not surrender himself. Law enforcement officers are dispatched to his residence. He will not comply with their instructions.

What should happen next?

A) Never mind, the juice ain't worth the squeeze

B) Find some other mechanism to impose a penalty, something less muscular

C) Screw this guy. If he wants to thumb his nose at the system we'll show him

D) Other

How far would you go to tear down a cardboard fort? (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 OP
B. We're the gov't. We always have ways to screw over people. Unless the guy gets ACLU on his side.. Panich52 Apr 2015 #1
Nothing. I am 100% pro-cardboard fort. And I don't even have kids. Coventina Apr 2015 #2
I agree. HappyMe Apr 2015 #6
Me too, I am 100% in favor of cardboard forts. 'First World Problem'! Indeed. Authoritarians MAKE sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #93
+ a whole bunch. hifiguy Apr 2015 #96
"... the homeowner refuses, stating the ordinance is stupid." If this is an allowable defense cleanhippie Apr 2015 #3
So pretend he built the fort for himself. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #8
Do I live next door? cleanhippie Apr 2015 #10
If I was next door... sprinklers + cardboard Bonx Apr 2015 #25
+1 cleanhippie Apr 2015 #27
If I lived next door, I would not give a shit if my neighbor built a cardboard fort. cheapdate Apr 2015 #32
Do you feel better about yourself now? cleanhippie Apr 2015 #37
No. I'm not "projecting". cheapdate Apr 2015 #41
If I lived next door, I would join in the fun. And how does a cardboard fort on someone's own sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #94
"Then I'd exert all the force necessary." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #56
I think it's more projection on your part than suspicion. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #127
firefighters stay outside his house and hose him every time he walks outside snooper2 Apr 2015 #128
The OP didn't tarnish it - that is the actual situation. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #34
The OP created their own scenario based on an actual event. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #38
It is not the actual situation jberryhill Apr 2015 #44
So he's taken the hypothetical to the next step. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #67
No. Reasonableness and judgment should be used. It's not black and white. nt valerief Apr 2015 #152
E) Not give a crap. n/t tazkcmo Apr 2015 #4
How far would you go to collect someone's unpaid property taxes? PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #5
How far would you go to collect someone's unpaid retail cigarette taxes? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #9
just short of a chokehold - Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #15
How far would you go to collect unpaid grazing fees? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #29
If the guy pipi_k Apr 2015 #7
Stop it. Stop it right now. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #20
Common sense might also say, "Worry about your own yard." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #59
Yes, it might. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #129
Oh, but I think this would be a perfect opportunity to flex the Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #135
So your advocating for ignoring municipal law cleanhippie Apr 2015 #150
That's not really a rebuttal; it's just a complaint. So I guess my point stands. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #154
If you say so. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #172
Why should people just obey something when it forbids some other thing that is harmless? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #173
There are, quite literally, thousands of laws that can be described that way. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #174
"an ill conceived and intellectually lazy proposition" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #175
I feel like we will never find common ground on this issue. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #176
"Ignoring laws that harm others (in the legal sense) only invites chaos." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #177
Most communities don't allow stockade fencing in front yards...it's an obstacle in fire fighting HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #40
C!!! Get him!!!$:$!^ F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #11
DU needs to have that smiley!!! Where did you get it? Coventina Apr 2015 #12
I'm about to post in AtA to get one, actually! F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #14
Godspeed!! I would LOVE to see that one added!! Coventina Apr 2015 #16
Wait, red or yellow? we have options... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #17
I like the red, actually. It makes them look angrier! Coventina Apr 2015 #19
My thoughts as well... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #24
I vote red. HappyMe Apr 2015 #21
lol. it is cute Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #76
trumped up faux outrage du jour Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #13
I'd offer to replace it with a fully operable M1 Abrams Tank. hunter Apr 2015 #18
That is full of win! Coventina Apr 2015 #22
"...the neighbors wouldn't dare complain." Why not? cleanhippie Apr 2015 #23
Um, there's an aspect of humor called "exaggeration for comic effect" Coventina Apr 2015 #49
Apparently, that same aspect of humor escapes you. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #52
Oh, I get it! You're only PRETENDING that a neighbor's cardboard fort would upset you! Coventina Apr 2015 #55
No, you don't get it at all. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #126
isn't that right somewhere in the Constitution. samsingh Apr 2015 #26
I believe it was the original wording of the Second Amendment... KansDem Apr 2015 #30
i agree with you totally samsingh Apr 2015 #31
"don't pass a law that ain't worth killing granny for" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #28
My "granny" was removed alive from the home she owned as a danger to herself and others... hunter Apr 2015 #111
Ouch. Matriarchy means knifepoint rule? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #113
A. NT Trillo Apr 2015 #33
I send my kids over to play in the fort. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #35
Heck yeah Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #171
The City should drop the matter cheapdate Apr 2015 #36
One man's treasure... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #39
Have you seen the photos? Mariana Apr 2015 #57
Exactly what I would do. I'd have a "Coventina's Castle Countdown" to the 15 days, make sure all Coventina Apr 2015 #60
Stomp, Godzilla, Stomp! That is a really creative idea. Hekate Apr 2015 #91
Sometimes... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #68
Maybe you should have read the story Mariana Apr 2015 #69
I'm well aware of the story. TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #73
A. ZombieHorde Apr 2015 #42
He got a 15 day notice jberryhill Apr 2015 #43
He probably wasn't planning on it, but maybe now he is! Coventina Apr 2015 #46
That's exactly what he said in an interview. Mariana Apr 2015 #71
I guess that depends on how much it rains. winter is coming Apr 2015 #61
A couple hours max, with most kids jberryhill Apr 2015 #62
Two points... stevenleser Apr 2015 #45
he should put some wise men in front and be done with it lame54 Apr 2015 #74
I'd send in a SWAT team. bluedigger Apr 2015 #47
You can't be too careful! It might be an al-Qaeda training ground for tots!! Coventina Apr 2015 #48
Somebody has to stand up for the HappyMe Apr 2015 #50
"You allow open contempt for the law like this, next thing you know, anarchy!" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #53
Sounds good to me jmowreader Apr 2015 #66
A helpful SWAT team? bluedigger Apr 2015 #72
The People Close to Me RobinA Apr 2015 #51
How about a cardboard cave? randome Apr 2015 #64
Death by firing squad. randome Apr 2015 #54
He won't be jailed long for a cardboard fort. The kids will learn how to resist dumb laws. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #86
He won't be jailed at all. Mariana Apr 2015 #114
"unsightly displays" in this case are in the eye frogmarch Apr 2015 #58
They got the notice after it had been up for ONE day. nt. Mariana Apr 2015 #75
As a neighbor wouldn't care, but if I was the city and had to enforce the ordinance I ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2015 #63
"I would just ask the garbage service to pick it up and toss it in the truck" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #65
Rent a Godzilla costume... Whiskeytide Apr 2015 #70
GMTA: See my post #60 Coventina Apr 2015 #79
Ha ha. I didn't catch that... Whiskeytide Apr 2015 #81
I don't know the details haikugal Apr 2015 #77
One possible reason... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #80
If all of that we're true... haikugal Apr 2015 #83
I have no idea. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #84
If you read the article they have a hill/slope in back yard... snooper2 Apr 2015 #130
I think there was something about thorn bushes in the back that he was taking out... Hekate Apr 2015 #90
All good information Hekate... haikugal Apr 2015 #97
In the original article no neighbors complained. tammywammy Apr 2015 #100
OMG....well there it is, thanks. haikugal Apr 2015 #101
Does he have any religious recourse? Politicalboi Apr 2015 #78
He's going to take it down when the time runs out. Mariana Apr 2015 #87
Were I one of his neighbors, I'd offer the use of my yard... S_B_Jackson Apr 2015 #82
Cardboard? wouldn't this solve itself after a good rain storm? NightWatcher Apr 2015 #85
I only use the stuff treated to be waterproof. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #88
Cardboard, how quaint NightWatcher Apr 2015 #92
Very cool.. haikugal Apr 2015 #98
That's awesome I used your pic in my reply. Kalidurga Apr 2015 #107
It would have solved itself anyway. Mariana Apr 2015 #115
Wave at the happy kids as I walk by with the dog. Notice the forecast is rain. Figure it will all be Hekate Apr 2015 #89
I would make a paper mache bomb and drop it on the fort. JanMichael Apr 2015 #95
Cardboard is very flammable. Children should not be playing in that. R B Garr Apr 2015 #99
I take it you never experienced the joy of playing in cardboard boxes as a child. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #104
Yes, I know the difference between a recycling center R B Garr Apr 2015 #108
If you know the difference, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #112
Hair on fire?? LMAO R B Garr Apr 2015 #118
Suggesting kids playing in cardboard boxes Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #132
LMAO. OMG, your inanity is really too much. R B Garr Apr 2015 #133
Your headline: Children should not be playing in that. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #136
No one has had the reaction and ridiculous personalized comments R B Garr Apr 2015 #137
For the second time, please point specifically to where I said you"hate children playing" Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #140
I've already explained it. YOU are the one connecting R B Garr Apr 2015 #141
Still can't find where I said you hated kids, eh? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #143
I'm still crying about the sad childhood you said I had! R B Garr Apr 2015 #144
Must have hit a nerve. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #146
NO, It was obviously me that hit a nerve, because here YOU are R B Garr Apr 2015 #147
Feel free to link to any post where I put any two of your comments together Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #155
Kind of SILLY to omit a second paragraph I typed so you can continue R B Garr Apr 2015 #158
OH, and what I said in the 2nd paragraph matched what the father said-- R B Garr Apr 2015 #160
Do you avoid libraries? Renew Deal Apr 2015 #166
LMAO. R B Garr Apr 2015 #167
So...how sad was my childhood. R B Garr Apr 2015 #148
Kind of silly for someone who has been accusing me of overreacting Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #156
Kind of SILLY for you to make any comments at all about my childhood. R B Garr Apr 2015 #157
Kind of SILLY that you've obsessed about me for 24 hours now. R B Garr Apr 2015 #161
Obsessed? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #163
LMAO. Look how obsessed you are about making this personal. R B Garr Apr 2015 #164
You seriously need to examine your own behavior. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #165
You need to quit obsessing about me and making this personal. R B Garr Apr 2015 #168
Without really looking very hard, I've found three other threads, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #169
This is all you've done is try and make this personal about me. R B Garr Apr 2015 #170
I hear wood is also flammable -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #105
Lame R B Garr Apr 2015 #109
As is hay. Puglover Apr 2015 #145
.............Outside? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #122
only if you douse it with some gas...actually pain in the ass to get cardboard going snooper2 Apr 2015 #131
I don't think many people try to start fires. They just occur and more R B Garr Apr 2015 #138
Only one way to be sure jberryhill Apr 2015 #102
I'd bring out my cardboard catapaults thucythucy Apr 2015 #103
That was my thought, too, lol! pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #116
D) Other Kalidurga Apr 2015 #106
Other: He should be arrested and sent to jail. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #110
And if he refuses to comply? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #123
A neighbor has some responsibility in the look of the neighborhood. Bonobo Apr 2015 #117
That's what I said --(the part about the day or so). R B Garr Apr 2015 #119
I sympathize. Bonobo Apr 2015 #120
Thanks for your comments. I agree about things getting twisted R B Garr Apr 2015 #134
I Grew Up RobinA Apr 2015 #142
"the look of the neighborhood" is completely subjective. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #124
That's probably why the city inspector noticed it, then. R B Garr Apr 2015 #139
It had been there for one day Mariana Apr 2015 #125
Put him in a cardboard jail. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #121
Is this going to be another yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #149
A. It should never have gotten as far as it had. nt valerief Apr 2015 #151
Sure are a lot of picklefaced people on DU who want it bulldozed Warpy Apr 2015 #153
"Ogden Mayor Mike Caldwell said despite the reports, the family has not been cited or fined. struggle4progress Apr 2015 #159
"Mayor Mike Caldwell also weighed in. 'I remember building forts with my friends as a kid. struggle4progress Apr 2015 #162
non-violent/property crimes and summary offenses... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #178

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
1. B. We're the gov't. We always have ways to screw over people. Unless the guy gets ACLU on his side..
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:25 AM
Apr 2015

Then, A.

Coventina

(26,276 posts)
2. Nothing. I am 100% pro-cardboard fort. And I don't even have kids.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:28 AM
Apr 2015

It's a totally made-up first world problem that never would have BEEN a problem if someone hadn't made it one.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
6. I agree.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:36 AM
Apr 2015

Don't people have anything better to do than to whine about a guy spending time with his kid. It's cardboard. It's not going to last forever.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
93. Me too, I am 100% in favor of cardboard forts. 'First World Problem'! Indeed. Authoritarians MAKE
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

these laws, then have apoplexy when their motives are questioned.

I hope the ACLU gets involved in this case.

Kudos to a good father who clearly cares about his children.

And a big middle finger to authoritarians everywhere.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
96. + a whole bunch.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

Like a dead owl, I would not give a single hoot if a neighbor built a cardboard fort for his kids on his own property. None of my business whatsoever.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
3. "... the homeowner refuses, stating the ordinance is stupid." If this is an allowable defense
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:32 AM
Apr 2015

for one homeowner, then it's an allowable defense for any other homeowner that feels a &quot city) ordinance is stupid."

Doesn't matter if it's a cardboard fort or a rusted out car on cinder blocks.

Or at least it shouldn't.

But since you tarnished this issue with the bullet-proof "what about the chiiilllldddreeeen?" argument, common sense takes a backseat.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. So pretend he built the fort for himself.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:38 AM
Apr 2015

How much force are you willing to exert to enforce the ordinance?

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
32. If I lived next door, I would not give a shit if my neighbor built a cardboard fort.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:03 AM
Apr 2015

That's because I actually embrace "hippie" ethics, which include nurturing a playful and creative spirit in children and rejecting strict conformance to some arbitrary aesthetic in the name of preserving "property value."

"Hippie" apparently means something very different where you're from, although you could probably get a position on my homeowner's association sending letters to people with basketball goals in their driveways.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
37. Do you feel better about yourself now?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:23 AM
Apr 2015

That's quite the barrage of personal attacks you made there. Project much?


Oh, and as for "hippie" ethics, they also include consideration and empathy for one's neighbors, not self-centered, fuck-you-and-anyone-that-doesnt-like-it insecurity. YMMV.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
41. No. I'm not "projecting".
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:34 AM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure if you understand what "projecting" means.

I stand 100% by everything I said.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
94. If I lived next door, I would join in the fun. And how does a cardboard fort on someone's own
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:16 PM
Apr 2015

property affect the life of a neighbor in any significant way? It's HIS property. If you don't like children then don't buy a house next door to someone who does.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
56. "Then I'd exert all the force necessary."
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:54 AM
Apr 2015

I strongly suspect that is an overstatement or your willingness and/or capabilities.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
128. firefighters stay outside his house and hose him every time he walks outside
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:40 AM
Apr 2015

and have one on the roof with a good supply of flour LOL

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
38. The OP created their own scenario based on an actual event.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:25 AM
Apr 2015

And the actual event is also tarnished by the same problem.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
44. It is not the actual situation
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:37 AM
Apr 2015

The actual situation is that he was given 15 days to enjoy his cardboard fort.

That's plenty long for cardboard in the yard.

There is no problem here.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
67. So he's taken the hypothetical to the next step.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

Doesn't change that the actual situation of kids in forts on front lawns was tarnished by kids in the real scenario on which this was based.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. How far would you go to collect someone's unpaid property taxes?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:33 AM
Apr 2015

(Which might also include an amount added for some code-enforcement noncompliance fines)?

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
7. If the guy
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:38 AM
Apr 2015

wants a cardboard fort "for his kids and the neighborhood kids" that badly, he has two choices:


1. Put it in the back yard or

2. Put up a stockade fence so the "kids" can have fun and whoever lives nearby doesn't have to look at it.


I think those are two pretty reasonable compromises.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
150. So your advocating for ignoring municipal law
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:30 PM
Apr 2015

In favor of "mind your own business"?


Yeah, that's some real common sense right there.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
173. Why should people just obey something when it forbids some other thing that is harmless?
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:58 AM
Apr 2015

Why should we tolerate a system that is willing to literally destroy people, their families and their livelihoods over trivial matters? Systems like that ought to be ignored.

And before you complain it will lead to anarchy take a moment to examine my avatar and realize that would actually be a selling point.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
174. There are, quite literally, thousands of laws that can be described that way.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:07 AM
Apr 2015

And if they truly forbid something that is harmless, we should, as a society, work to change those laws.

Allowing people to ignore laws they don't like at-will is an ill conceived and intellectually lazy proposition. YMMV.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
175. "an ill conceived and intellectually lazy proposition"
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:11 AM
Apr 2015

Argument by assertion. Why should we obey laws that do more harm than good? If you sat on the jury of someone being ruined by such a law would you vote to convict? Would you shrug-off the use of force against people ignoring such laws?

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
176. I feel like we will never find common ground on this issue.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

Yes, there are laws are are stupid and unnecessary. We should work to change or eliminate them.

Ignoring laws that harm others (in the legal sense) only invites chaos. And there's enough of that in the world already.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
177. "Ignoring laws that harm others (in the legal sense) only invites chaos."
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:33 AM
Apr 2015

I don't buy that explanation. I think it's a sales pitch by the authoritarians (the real ones, not you) to keep us in our pens. If we are to live in a free society it is because we have concluded: People ought to be free. If they ought NOT be free then we say they are not to be trusted with freedom for the harm they may do to themselves and others so they should be managed by their betters (whoever may qualify for THAT).

But we have decided in favor of freedom. We have said people are capable of generally conducting themselves without inflicting harm. We trust them to be good only the law is only to remediate after harm has been done.

What we are witnessing these days is the idea that the people are not to be trusted, not even with cardboard boxes in their own front yards. It's obscene. That, were things to go differently, it could result in the use of force is beyond immoral.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
40. Most communities don't allow stockade fencing in front yards...it's an obstacle in fire fighting
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:31 AM
Apr 2015

and the community has an interest of preventing fires from spreading to adjoining neighbors structures...

In the community I dwell in, fences in front yards require installation permits. I've seen plans for nice white picket fences declined by the zoning board because they were on a corner lot and the back-yard there is treated as a front-yard with respect to zoning.


cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
23. "...the neighbors wouldn't dare complain." Why not?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:47 AM
Apr 2015

Why wouldn't the neighbors dare to complain?

I'd complain about the tank just as much as the pile of cardboard.

Coventina

(26,276 posts)
49. Um, there's an aspect of humor called "exaggeration for comic effect"
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

Relax...or do you really live in fear that a neighbor of yours is suddenly going to acquire a tank?

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
30. I believe it was the original wording of the Second Amendment...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:59 AM
Apr 2015
A well-regulated front yard being necessary to the security of a free neighborhood, the right of the home owner to build and maintain cardboard forts shall not be infringed

...before it was revised.

hunter

(37,933 posts)
111. My "granny" was removed alive from the home she owned as a danger to herself and others...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:53 PM
Apr 2015

... by court order, police, and paramedics.

My little old lady grandma, kicking, hitting, clawing, biting, and screaming the most foul obscenities you might imagine from a retired welder-by-day and party-girl-by-night of the World War II West Coast shipyards.

Fortunately grandma had forgotten where she'd hidden her remaining guns in her hoarder's mess. My mom thought she'd found and removed all of grandma's guns when she started to get very strange, but was horrified to find more guns when she and my sister were cleaning out her house.

My grandma's mom, my great grandma, was a similar character. They were Wild American West, and maybe part Klingon. As a little kid I'd watch my great grandma preparing freshly killed fish, birds, and small mammals for dinner. Her hands and her knife moved faster than I could comprehend. I once witnessed great grandma arguing with my dad, who is a big gentle man, a knife in her hand. No doubt in my mind who would have won that fight if it had been taken to some bloody conclusion. I'd have been missing a few younger, yet to be conceived siblings.

That's why we all have to be pacifists.

My family is a solid matriarchy now and going back as far as you like.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
113. Ouch. Matriarchy means knifepoint rule?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:24 AM
Apr 2015

From that perspective, patriarchy isn't looking all that bad.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
171. Heck yeah
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:25 AM
Apr 2015

That looks like something I would have loved to play in when I was a kid.

I think we did make a fort out in the front yard with Flintstones Building Boulders one time, but it had to be taken down before dark.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
39. One man's treasure...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:25 AM
Apr 2015

...is another man's trash.



If he's willing to build that shitty "fort" out of crappy boxes in his front yard, and leave it there for weeks on end, he won't stop there.

A few days while he's unpacking new appliances, I can see. Anything more than that, he's shown his true colors and I'd hope someone would step in and nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand.

TYY

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
57. Have you seen the photos?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:55 AM
Apr 2015

The house and yard are neat and well maintained. The cardboard itself is clean and dry and the fort structure is not sloppy or messy in any way. This is not a fledgling hoarder or the beginnings of a junkyard.

They got the notice after it had been up for ONE day. In an interview, they said they had planned to take it down after a couple of days, which you say you would be OK with. Now, they're going to leave it up the full 15 days.

Coventina

(26,276 posts)
60. Exactly what I would do. I'd have a "Coventina's Castle Countdown" to the 15 days, make sure all
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:04 PM
Apr 2015

the neighborhood kids had as much noisy fun as possible.

Maybe rent a Godzilla costume for the last day and stomp it into pieces small enough for the recycle bin.
Have the kids help me with that, too.

Dear gods, whatever happened to FUN?!?!?!

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
68. Sometimes...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015

...people get new appliances and the kids play inside the boxes for a few days. No big deal.

Getting a notice after one day, if true, is ridiculous.

I got the impression that the guy helped his kids make a 'really cool summer fort' in the front yard. I saw the pictures and it looked like he was aiming for a certain amount of longevity. More than a week of that nonsense would not be cool. Backyard would be a different story.

The fort wasn't exactly an artistic masterpiece. I've seen more creativity with cardboard boxes under the viaduct.

TYY

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
69. Maybe you should have read the story
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 02:58 PM
Apr 2015

before you decided he was a shitty neighbor who had turned his front yard into a garbage heap. Some of his neighbors are publicly supporting him.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
73. I'm well aware of the story.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015

I live in Utah. It's been all over the news. I just haven't been hanging on every word.

I didn't say he was a 'shitty neighbor.' I said his fort was shitty, and it is.

I'm not convinced it was a short term endeavor. That said, I'm happy to let it play itself out without expending too much of my own energy.

TYY

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
42. A.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015

Cities/towns have finite resources, and there are many other things we can be doing with those resources.

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
71. That's exactly what he said in an interview.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 03:05 PM
Apr 2015

It was originally going to be there for a couple of days, but now it's going to stay until the time on the notice runs out. Neighbors are supporting him.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
61. I guess that depends on how much it rains.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:12 PM
Apr 2015

Although you'd think that normal wear and tear from kids playing in it would pretty much kill the fort long before the two weeks were up.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
45. Two points...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

...#1 - Any ordinance regarding home/land ownership that is worth enforcing should ultimately result on a lien on the property for any fines imposed for non-compliance if it goes that far. That's the end game.

#2 - We have to decide if this is an issue worth enforcing. And I am not sure it is. I hate deed-restricted communities because of the restrictions they place on home owners. The restriction listed in the OP seems over the top.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
53. "You allow open contempt for the law like this, next thing you know, anarchy!"
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:39 AM
Apr 2015

You say that like it's a bad thing.

***taps avatar***

RobinA

(9,751 posts)
51. The People Close to Me
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:00 AM
Apr 2015

have instructions that if I ever get to the point where my panties are in a bunch over a cardboard tree fort I am to be medicated as soon as possible.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
64. How about a cardboard cave?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
54. Death by firing squad.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:46 AM
Apr 2015

Kidding. The one thing I would not do, however, is put my children in a situation where they might have to do without Dad for a while.

There are times when standing up to the Establishment is worth it, I'm not sure this is one of those times.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
86. He won't be jailed long for a cardboard fort. The kids will learn how to resist dumb laws.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:07 PM
Apr 2015

Dad would be setting a good example as a positive role model.

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
114. He won't be jailed at all.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:34 AM
Apr 2015

He's going to take it down when the time given on the notice runs out. He was originally going to leave it up for just a couple of days, but the city gives him two weeks.

frogmarch

(12,118 posts)
58. "unsightly displays" in this case are in the eye
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:56 AM
Apr 2015

of kid-hating, troublemaking beholders. There should be ordinances against them.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
63. As a neighbor wouldn't care, but if I was the city and had to enforce the ordinance I
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:15 PM
Apr 2015

guess I would just ask the garbage service to pick it up and toss it in the truck. It's not a very big fort and not far from the curb. It shouldn't take them more than a couple minutes. I don't see a reason to waste police and court resources on something like that.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
65. "I would just ask the garbage service to pick it up and toss it in the truck"
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:41 PM
Apr 2015

I'm obviously unfamiliar with your municipality but where I live the garbage service is a private concern. I can't imagine them accepting the liability for trespassing and vandalism on private property.

Whiskeytide

(4,416 posts)
81. Ha ha. I didn't catch that...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:18 PM
Apr 2015

... awesome. I agree. Whatever happened to fun? It won't last long anyway - take it out in style!

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
77. I don't know the details
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 03:18 PM
Apr 2015

But my first question is why the front yard? When I was a kid we built all kinds of things but always in the back yard..neighbor kids would have access to each others back yards with permission. What is this guy trying to prove? Is this just an immature middle finger to 'community standards'?

I think this is manufactured for a reason using his kids as an excuse...

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
80. One possible reason...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:09 PM
Apr 2015

Houses these days have tiny backyards. I could easily see one being small enough that it wouldn't fit it. Also possible that he has a shed or something, or no grass, or any number of reasons. I don't think he's using his kids as an excuse--he just wanted to have some fun with them.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
83. If all of that we're true...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:43 PM
Apr 2015

And I admit to being spoiled where I have acres of room, then I'm sorry this man is being harassed by unreasonable demands. I've heard horror stories about these rules etc. and admit I couldn't deal with it, which is why we moved to the country...we were lucky and could do it.

Thanks for the explanation F4....I'm all for parents building things with their kids and supplying children, boys and girls, with things to take apart, mechanical, electrical etc...it's good for kids to learn how things work and are made. Just an asside to the building of the cardboard fort. I loved building forts as a child.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
84. I have no idea.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

It'd be a bit tough to tell without visiting the guy. Either way, it was a bit much to give him the notice after just a single day. He even said he was only planning on leaving it up for the day. Heck, even his neighbors are supporting him in this whole mess now, which I find rather amusing.

Agree that kids should be able to do things like this. I'm lucky because my grandfather bought some forest land back in Oregon years and years ago. We've got about 20 acres of untouched forest left, and we'd go up there all the time to maintain it. Clearing a bit of brush here, trimming some stuff there, making sure that a fire wouldn't destroy the area. It was where I learned to love the outdoors (and haaaaate poison oak--screw that stuff), but the best part was always building forts. I think there were at least three or four my brother and I made, all the way up until I left for college. I don't think we ever finished a single one, but building it was always the fun part, anyways.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
130. If you read the article they have a hill/slope in back yard...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:46 AM
Apr 2015

Construction 101 isn't dad's strong suit LOL

Hekate

(87,841 posts)
90. I think there was something about thorn bushes in the back that he was taking out...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:40 PM
Apr 2015

In any case the first photo shows a happy mom and dad and happy kids, plus it looks like neighbor kids. It looked like a really fun project for all.

If my kids were still of an age to be delighted with forts, I'd be likely to send them on over to share in the fun.

At my local Costco you can buy a pre-fab wooden playhouse for $300. However a lot of young families don't have that kind of change lying around. If you ever have an appliance delivered, there is a really massive box left behind and kids absolutely adore those.

I have not tried to follow this very closely, but if they recently moved in that would explain why the backyard was not yet suitable for little kids, and why they had such a collection of really big boxes.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
97. All good information Hekate...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

When our family was young we didn't have any extra money and when you buy a house it used to take three years to recover and have a little money left over. I agree about those huge boxes and I looked for a link but must have missed it. I wanted to see pictures.

As you say a new neighborhood may play a part in this...I know what 'neighbors' can be like, not very pleasant sometimes.

I hope this is resolved so all the children can enjoy their fort along with the parents. Children and neighborhoods need this kind of thing in my view. We have a lot of Maple trees so in the fall we'd rake up a huge pile of leaves in the yard (no front or back here just huge yard) and the kids would play in that pile until they got too soggy, a week sometimes. Makes memories... Our neighbors, such as they are thought we were off but couldn't say anything about it...we don't burn leaves we compost them, very different than the custom around here.

Each to their own if no one is hurt, what difference does it make?

Anyone have links?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
100. In the original article no neighbors complained.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:57 PM
Apr 2015

The code officer was driving down the street and saw it.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
101. OMG....well there it is, thanks.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:07 PM
Apr 2015

I once had a problem with an enforcer over an overgrown field and what constituted a 'noxious' weed...given that goldenrod is very productive for native habitats and food production....I learned that all plants that are not planted are considered noxious and was given 2 days or pay $250. It was a large field, and it had paths mown into it for the kids to play in...a friend with a tractor came and helped me out. Do you want to know what that field has looked like every year after? Not mown and full of beautiful goldenrod, mullein, wild asters, elderberry and many other things.

I guess no one has complained because we are on a main road and nothing escapes notice around here.

Thanks again

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
78. Does he have any religious recourse?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 03:41 PM
Apr 2015


It's their church, and how dare the law step in. If all that fails, they should have a crew come by and clean it up, and charge him a fee. I'm all for his cardboard fort, but when the fines lead to jail, the game is over.

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
87. He's going to take it down when the time runs out.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:20 PM
Apr 2015

But yeah, it would be funny if they went out there and held a family "worship service" or started calling it a shrine instead of a fort.

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
82. Were I one of his neighbors, I'd offer the use of my yard...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:18 PM
Apr 2015

and help to move the whole thing.

If the city compliance officer still has the stick up his fundament, let him issue a similar citation to me...wait it out and then move the whole thing to yet another volunteer's yard. I know in my neighborhood we could keep this up months on end and let compliance Nazi run himself ragged.

The city is completely out of line in this instance.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
92. Cardboard, how quaint
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:02 PM
Apr 2015



This is a pic from December when I was halfway finished. It's now painted and nearly finished.
I'm installing windows tomorrow and then I'll work on interior. It already has electrical, and speakers for tunes. My 4 year old digs it almost as much as I do.

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
115. It would have solved itself anyway.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:44 AM
Apr 2015

The guy was planning to get rid of it before it got grungy and raggedy looking.

Hekate

(87,841 posts)
89. Wave at the happy kids as I walk by with the dog. Notice the forecast is rain. Figure it will all be
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:29 PM
Apr 2015

...over very soon.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
99. Cardboard is very flammable. Children should not be playing in that.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:45 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2014/05/30/firefighters-battle-massive-blaze-at-santa-fe-springs-recycling-center/

The above link is about a five-alarm fire that happened at a cardboard recycling center in the L.A. area last year. It stopped trains and traffic in the area. I had to go pick my husband up since they evacuated his train. You could see the fire from quite a distance and there was a lot of talk on the news, etc., about how difficult it was to fight this fire because of the stacks of cardboard that kept igniting.

The point is that the flames from the cardboard spread so rapidly that it is not a safe material to leave unattended such as this structure for any period of time. Maybe for an afternoon of play, okay. But not for long.

This guy took his chances. Now he'll have to negotiate his way out of it. I think the city safety ordinances will not be in his favor.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
104. I take it you never experienced the joy of playing in cardboard boxes as a child.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:07 PM
Apr 2015

How sad.

There is a significant difference between a recycling center full of cardboard, and a cardboard fort.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
108. Yes, I know the difference between a recycling center
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:44 PM
Apr 2015

and a fort. Yet, cardboard is still flammable.

And it doesn't matter what I played in as a child, lol.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
132. Suggesting kids playing in cardboard boxes
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:52 AM
Apr 2015

is anything like a 5-alarm fire in a recycling center is pretty much hair on fire.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
133. LMAO. OMG, your inanity is really too much.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:36 AM
Apr 2015

The first part of my post was about how quickly cardboard burns and how even professional firefighters had an unexpectedly hard time tackling it.

THEN my post went on to talk about how it really shouldn't be left for more than a day or so. Nowhere did I say that I hate kids so they shouldn't play in cardboard and poor me because I had a lousy childhood, yet you have wasted your time trying to make this personal about me on any level you can grasp at. LMAO. How utterly inane of you.

YOU lumped all my comments together to make it personal about me with "hair on fire". Seriously ridiculous connections you make.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
136. Your headline: Children should not be playing in that.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:08 AM
Apr 2015

Please point to where I said you "hate kids so they shouldn't play in cardboard."

Equating kids playing in cardboard forts with 5-alarm fires, and concluding "Children should not be playing in that" is pretty much a hair on fire reaction to the healthy fun the kids were having in the fort their dad built for them.

I see several other people had very similar reactions to your initial post.



R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
137. No one has had the reaction and ridiculous personalized comments
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:13 AM
Apr 2015

like you have been doing.

It's really ridiculous that you keep lumping my comments together to make it sensationalized about me personally. Now you're even reaching trying to lump other posters in with you so that you can seem to have more credibility in your "hair on fire" inane observations. It's really inane what you are doing. edit: lol, you're back to stating I hate children playing. Oh my God.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
140. For the second time, please point specifically to where I said you"hate children playing"
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:08 AM
Apr 2015

So far, I have use the three lines from the post that started this sub-thread, in the order you put them (I didn't lump multiple comments together, I didn't rearrange them to make them more sensational) I just labeled your caption + the first 2 lines of your post "hair on fire." Which it is.

Your caption in that post (no interpretation - it is a direct quote):

Children should not be playing in that.


Followed immediately by :


http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2014/05/30/firefighters-battle-massive-blaze-at-santa-fe-springs-recycling-center/

The above link is about a five-alarm fire that happened at a cardboard recycling center in the L.A. area last year.


You connected children playing in their cardboard fort with a five-alarm fire. Not me.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
141. I've already explained it. YOU are the one connecting
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:12 AM
Apr 2015

it incorrectly. Nowhere did I say that children would die in a five-alarm fire.

Seriously, this is just too stupid for words. You are obviously invested in personalizing this to such a bizarre level, it's beyond inane.

Definition of inane:
in·ane


/iˈnān/


adjective

adjective: inane




silly; stupid.
"don't constantly badger people with inane questions"


synonyms: silly, foolish, stupid, fatuous, idiotic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, senseless, asinine, frivolous, vapid; More


Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
143. Still can't find where I said you hated kids, eh?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

Seems to me that you're the one personalizing this. You keep throwing out accusations about things you think I've said that are not even remotely connected to anything I said. You can now add to that list the suggestion that I accused you of saying "children would die in a five-alarm fire."

I've quoted (or referenced) the first three lines you chose to put together. That's it.

And you have not once explained any connection between "Cardboard is very flammable. Children should not be playing in that," and a story about a five-alarm fire in any way other than the obvious: you were connecting the risk of children playing in cardboard forts with an out of control fire.

If it was really a risk anywhere equivalent to a five-alarm fire to have a cardboard fort up for more than a day, or to leave unattended, do you really think multiple toy manufacturers would be allowed to sell them?

Take a breath. Take an objective look at the tone of our respective posts. People don't usually get as wound as you are unless (1) they know they can't win on the facts or (2) it's personal for some reason.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
144. I'm still crying about the sad childhood you said I had!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:42 AM
Apr 2015




LOL, now you're into FIVE paragraphs about me personally. You are really invested in this.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
146. Must have hit a nerve.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:56 PM
Apr 2015

Virtually all of my comments have been about the silliness of equating playing in a cardboard fort with a five-alarm fire.

The two exceptions are:

* The initial comment about never having had the joy of playing in cardboard boxes. That seems to me a pretty obvious and generic comment to make in response to anyone whose reaction to kids playing in a cardboard box fort is to declare how dangerous it and point to a five-alarm fire in a recycling center to prove the point, rather than fondly remembering when they did something similar.

* The response I finally made in my last post to the numerous emotionally over the top posts you've made, in which I suggested you're overcompensating for not having the facts on your side - or I hit a nerve.

That's hardly "FIVE paragraphs about {you} personally." You've built up a conversation in your mind that does not match reality.


R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
147. NO, It was obviously me that hit a nerve, because here YOU are
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:07 PM
Apr 2015

bloviating nonsense about me personally. FIVE paragraphs in the previous post, and now ANOTHER post about me personally. It's really fucking ridiculous.

edit: Please feel free to continue lumping all my comments together and then continue to misrepresent them. I'm enjoying your meltdown. Also, your comments about my sad childhood.


Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
155. Feel free to link to any post where I put any two of your comments together
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

(other than the ones you put together, your self.)

Not to mention, it is pretty hard to misrepresent something that is quoted exactly. Unlike the numerous things you've accused me of saying - which, since they aren't quotes, and don't resemble anything I actually said, are misrepresentations.



R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
158. Kind of SILLY to omit a second paragraph I typed so you can continue
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:04 PM
Apr 2015

your misinterpretations. Kind of SILLY to ask for a link to anything when your own snide comments are here in this thread -- all of which are obsessed with me personally.

Kind of SILLY to imply anything about my childhood. Kind of SILLY to imply that I don't like daddies making things for their kids.

This is now going on 24 hours of your obsession with making this personal about me. KIND OF SILLY.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
160. OH, and what I said in the 2nd paragraph matched what the father said--
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:09 PM
Apr 2015

he was only going to leave the fort up for a couple days and then take it down.

Kind of SILLY to omit what I said about that. KIND OF SILLY.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
156. Kind of silly for someone who has been accusing me of overreacting
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:50 PM
Apr 2015

to circle back and make a second snide comment to the same post you've already commented on.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
157. Kind of SILLY for you to make any comments at all about my childhood.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:59 PM
Apr 2015

Kind of SILLY for you to keep making this personal about me, which you seem very committed to doing.

Kind of SILLY for you to inject your own misinterpretations on an endless basis about a simple preface to a comment I made.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
163. Obsessed?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:41 PM
Apr 2015

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

In the alternative, you might want to take a look at your own posting pattern. You've made 4 responses to my 2 posts, within 13 minutes of when I made them.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
164. LMAO. Look how obsessed you are about making this personal.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:46 PM
Apr 2015

You've followed me around since I first answered you about 24 hours ago about why I composed my initial post the way I did, and you've continued with the same SILLY games since. You insist on making this personal about me.

What manipulative tripe to say anything about someone's childhood. What manipulative tripe to omit something I said so you can continue about me personally. Obsessed is what you are. Look at you.

edit: OH, look at you timing my posts now -- after you replied tonight AGAIN with the same obsessive tripe within 24 hours.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
165. You seriously need to examine your own behavior.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:07 PM
Apr 2015

Responding to you in a single subthread (or the second one you started this afternoon) is not "following you around." Following you around would be searching you out repeatedly in other conversations and jumping into those other conversations.

My responses have been calm, direct, factual, and to the point. Yours, on the other hand, contain inflammatory, escalating language, accusing me of saying things I've never said. When I didn't respond to your 2 pm post quickly enough, apparently, you went back to another post you had already responded to and started a second sub-thread. When I did respond (around 9 hours later), you immediately responded with more escalating and inflammatory language - with double the number of posts.

This isn't, and never was, personal from my perspective - as is clear from any fair reading of what I've posted. But I am growing increasingly concerned about how out of touch with reality and, frankly, over the top you sound.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
168. You need to quit obsessing about me and making this personal.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:22 PM
Apr 2015

You have posted nothing but snide tripe and it's all personal.

Anyone who prefaces their first comment about someone's childhood is manipulative, and that's what you've been since this whole exchange. I answered you LONG ago, completely, but you just want to make it personal.

You are personally invested in this and obsessed with it. Seriously, you've been following me around for 24 HOURS now. 24 hours.

Ms. Toad

(32,984 posts)
169. Without really looking very hard, I've found three other threads,
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:46 PM
Apr 2015

with three different people, where you have had similarly inflammatory and escalating reactions to pretty innocuous posts.

I hope you get help with whatever it is that drives you to repeatedly have this kind of interaction with people. It's not healthy.

Whatever it is clearly has nothing to do with me, or this conversation, so I'm done.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
170. This is all you've done is try and make this personal about me.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:54 PM
Apr 2015

Sorry, but I'm not going to take your obsessed comments about me with any seriousness. All you've done for 24 hours is follow me with manipulative comments about me personally. Talking about my "behavior" is all you've done for over 24 hours now. The only "behavior" you've noticed from me is me giving you the cyber stinkeye because of your manipulations and your obsessions with making this personal. Look at you now! Exactly as I described from the beginning of your obsession 24 hours ago.

How sweet you're so concerned about my childhood and now you're stalking my posting (only 3 times, though --fucking hilarious.)

So here's another rolling smilie, which is all you've been worth since you mentioned my sad childhood. Good Lord.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
131. only if you douse it with some gas...actually pain in the ass to get cardboard going
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:48 AM
Apr 2015

I use it all the time to get wood started in my smoker...

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
138. I don't think many people try to start fires. They just occur and more
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:23 AM
Apr 2015

easily with certain substances or they become more volatile with certain materials.

ANYWAY, I can see how a city official took notice of it, although the notice probably didn't mention a fire hazard.

thucythucy

(7,629 posts)
103. I'd bring out my cardboard catapaults
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015

and cardboard siege guns, also cardboard battering rams and such.

If that didn't do the job, I'd leave a cardboard horse secretly stuffed with cardboard warriors. Works every time.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
106. D) Other
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 09:28 PM
Apr 2015

Well I just had to steal this picture because it is what I was thinking and it's a beautiful illustration. Get some neighbors together and help him build a more permanent fort, hopefully in the back yard.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
117. A neighbor has some responsibility in the look of the neighborhood.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:48 AM
Apr 2015

Cardboard boxes may be fine for indoors, but they are an ugly eyesore that could be accepted for a day or two, but no more IMO.

Get some fiberboard or something and do it right, parents. Your heart is in the right place, but you are bad neighbors.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
120. I sympathize.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:59 AM
Apr 2015

Someone could do a PHD thesis on the need some have to demonize others in order to satisfy some deep emotional need.

I think it is a human trait. Create an external monster, a pathology, in order to soothe oneself (maybe tell yourself that evil is due to external forces or something.)

It is fascinating how things get twisted beyond recognition to service egos here.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
134. Thanks for your comments. I agree about things getting twisted
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:56 AM
Apr 2015

beyond recognition. They are even made up out of whole cloth in some instances.

But I also agree with you about the cardboard. A day or so of playing is fine, but after that it's just not front yard material for a semi-permanent basis.

RobinA

(9,751 posts)
142. I Grew Up
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:34 AM
Apr 2015

in the country and have always wondered at the thinking behind many suburbanites who continually scope out their neighbors looking for some offense. I have a friend who has a fit because her neighbor plants tomatoes in the front yard. I never get why she cares. Same with the cardboard fort guy getting people all worked up. I guess your explanation is as good as any.

R B Garr

(16,738 posts)
139. That's probably why the city inspector noticed it, then.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:29 AM
Apr 2015

Heck, some people park their cars on their front lawns.

Mariana

(14,734 posts)
125. It had been there for one day
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:26 AM
Apr 2015

when they got the notice from the city. When they built it, they planned to play with it for a few days and then get rid of it. Neighbors are supporting them.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
121. Put him in a cardboard jail.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:13 AM
Apr 2015

Seriously, let it go. It'll be gone after the next rainstorm, and the guy did nice work.

Let the kids have fun, it's not permanent.

Warpy

(109,618 posts)
153. Sure are a lot of picklefaced people on DU who want it bulldozed
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

This thing is going to be trashed by the time the guy's 14 days are up, it's cardboard. It'll hit the wheelie recycler then. Until then, the kids will have a ball and I don't see what the problem is. Anything as temporary as a cardboard castle shouldn't be that hard to tolerate.

One year, the death of a refrigerator meant my Xmas present was the new fridge carton and a box of crayons. I was the envy of the neighborhood until a snowstorm rolled in and killed it.

Then again, I'm old enough not to give a damn and I live in an area where people use van seats for porch furniture while they save for the real thing and can put the seats back in the van. I'd look at something like that and go "oh, neat!"

I might be a little less sanguine about it if he built it out of old cinder blocks and sheet metal.

struggle4progress

(116,785 posts)
159. "Ogden Mayor Mike Caldwell said despite the reports, the family has not been cited or fined.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:08 PM
Apr 2015

'It was just a letter saying we had an anonymous complaint, and is this something you can address or if you need help with this give us a call,' the mayor said ... If the city chooses to issue a citation, the first fine will be $125."
Cardboard box fort in Ogden neighborhood in violation of city code, officials say
POSTED 10:09 PM, APRIL 6, 2015
BY ANNIE CUTLER
http://fox13now.com/2015/04/06/cardboard-box-fort-in-ogden-neighborhood-in-violation-of-city-code-officials-say/

struggle4progress

(116,785 posts)
162. "Mayor Mike Caldwell also weighed in. 'I remember building forts with my friends as a kid.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:11 PM
Apr 2015

It’s healthy for a child’s imagination to get away from their electronic devices for a while and use their imagination to create something. I’m glad to see that kids still want to play with the cardboard box,' he said ... Greg Scothern is Building Manager for the city and also oversees code enforcement. He told the Standard-Examiner Tuesday that Trentleman was issued the notification after a resident’s complaint. At the time the code enforcement officer visited the property the box fort was not complete and the warning was issued. Scothern said that the code enforcement officer did not visit the property last Wednesday to deliver the warning, but the warning was automatically generated one to two days before when the fort was not yet complete to his knowledge. 'I don’t think our code enforcement officer would have issued the warning if the box fort was complete. At the time he visited the property it looked like a bunch of boxes,' Scothern said."
Following cardboard box fort attention, Ogden city responds
WEDNESDAY , APRIL 08, 2015 - 9:11 AM
By RACHEL TROTTER
http://www.standard.net/Local/2015/04/08/Ogden-weighs-in-box-fort

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,423 posts)
178. non-violent/property crimes and summary offenses...
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:03 PM
Apr 2015

...should never result in jail time. I live in New Jersey. I know about excessive punishment. In my town you might get note in mail. After a month you may get a notice with a date 5-6 weeks away saying something of the nature of 'not correcting the issue by the due may result in a summons'.

However..
I pick D) other.
It's obviously time to send in Lon Horiuchi.

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