Monsanto Lobbyist Swears Herbicide Safe Enough To Drink…Until Journalist Offers Him A Glass (VIDEO)

[Veilex]

Lobbyists are known for talking a big game, and none have that reputation more than the ones who work for embattled chemical company Monsanto. But what happens when a journalist asks one to put his money where his mouth is? Cringeworthy results.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/03/26/monsanto-lobbyist-swears-pesticide-safe-enough-to-drink-until-journalist-offers-him-a-glass-video/

[pa28]

1. Caught this scum redhanded. Must watch.

[angstlessk]

2. Why is this not on every TV show

Hey! CNN MSNBC FOX??? CBS ABC SOMEONE!

[immoderate]

3. This was posted a few days ago. What's amazing is the number of DUers who...

defended this asshole. Unbelievable!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026414089

--imm

[Scuba]

7. Yep, some really exposed themselves in that thread.

[NuclearDem]

8. Nobody defended that guy.

You believe there were people who defended him because it's an easy strawman for you. Absolutely no DUers were advocating drinking roundup--well, no pro-GMO posters anyway.

[immoderate]

10. My strawman? You're kidding, right?

--imm

[NuclearDem]

11. You're right. That strawman was erected by plenty of people.

That thread was filled with "if you think GMOs are so great, why don't you drink some Roundup?"

Of course, no one besides that idiot was advocating drinking Roundup. Putting its toxicity into context, sure, but in no way advocating drinking it.

Still didn't stop the usual suspects from declaring anyone unwilling to drink something not intended for human consumption a shill.

[immoderate]

12. It was putting it's toxicity into false context.

--imm

[NuclearDem]

15. You seem to be confusing DUers with the idiot in the video.

Let me say it again (hell, I'll even do it slowly):

Nobody

Here

Was

Advocating

Drinking

Roundup.

Knowing that, certain posters quickly erected a stupid strawman suggesting posters here were in fact advocating so, and dared them to drink Roundup. In fact, one of those posters is already here rewriting the history of that thread.

[immoderate]

18. Are you one of those who asserts that Roundup is less dangerous than vinegar?

That's a pretty neat maneuver.

--imm

[NuclearDem]

19. Yes, glyphosate is much less toxic than acetic acid.

[immoderate]

20. So, if I drink an ounce of vinegar a day, will you drink an ounce of glyphosate a day...

... for a year?

--imm

[NuclearDem]

22. Why on earth would you drink vinegar?

Unless, of course, you want your teeth and esophagus rotted from the inside out.

[immoderate]

23. Is that a yes, or is that a no?

I'm willing to make that sacrifice to illustrate my point, are you? Does glyphosate work well as salad dressing?

--imm

[NuclearDem]

24. There's that strawman again.

And yet again, I have to mention that I have never once said Roundup is safe to drink.

And it seems I have to make the point that vinegar sold as salad dressing is diluted acetic acid, and not all vinegars are the same, but it doesn't mean vinegar is intended to be ingested straight out of the bottle.

Why on earth you would want to drink vinegar in response to a completely nonexistent challenge eludes me.

[immoderate]

25. I didn't bring up the toxicity of vinegar, or any other substance, beside glyphosate.

And I didn't call anyone a shill. Get a hold of yourself. It wasn't my strawman. I have been ingesting vinegar all my life, and I don't consider it dangerous. Are you willing to match me with glyphosate, which you say is less dangerous?

It occurs to me, that past some limit, almost anything (like water?) can cause death. Does that make glyphosate safe to drink?

--imm

[NuclearDem]

26. Yes, you did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6437287
I sure as hell didn't bring up vinegar here. You did, and made up some ridiculous suggestion that I advocated drinking glyphosate.

If you've been drinking vinegar, which is utterly ridiculous as that's not how vinegar is meant to be ingested, then that's your problem, not mine. I wouldn't drink either vinegar or glyphosate.

You also ignored that vinegar is diluted acetic acid, and not all mixtures use the same level of dilution as table vinegar.

What about this is confusing you? Don't drink vinegar, and don't drink glyphosate. Is that really that hard for you to understand?

[immoderate]

28. No, the idea was introduced in the earlier thread by ND-Dem and Major Nikon.

I don't come in until way down that thread.
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6416203

Here is a page on the nutritional value of vinegar:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/21611-nutritional-value-vinegar/
Is there a similar one for glyphosate? I am not aware.

People are playing games with "acute toxicity" and long term environmental effects. They are not the same thing. I'm imagining that the acute toxicity of ethanol is greater than glyphosate too. Does that mean I can't drink beer?

--imm

[NuclearDem]

29. You're really using beer--alcohol--as an example?

The drink that causes liver and brain damage?

Whatever you say. You can keep trying to suggest that I ever advocated drinking Roundup--or that website you cited advocates straight up drinking vinegar--but it won't make it any more true.

Since you have no intention of being honest about this, we're done.

[immoderate]

30. So we agree Roundup is not safe to drink. Fine.

--imm

[ND-Dem]

14. he said he was willing to drink it, it was so safe -- then refused. but no, thank *you* for

rewriting what actually happened.

"You can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you"

[ND-Dem]

13. ...

[3catwoman3]

4. "You're a complete jerk."

The Monsanto guy must have been talking about himself.

[cheapdate]

5. Moore : "You can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you"

Host: "Ah, you want to drink some? We have some here."

Moore: "I'd be happy to, actually...but...but...not...not really."

Host: "Not really?"

Moore: "I know it wouldn't hurt me."

Host: "If you say so, I have some glyphosphate"

Moore: "No, no, I'm not stupid."

Host: "Ah, okay, so, you..you.."

Moore: "No, no...but I know..."

Host: "But it's not dangerous, right?"

Moore: "No, but, I know that...people try to commit suicide with it and fail, fairly regularly."

From Toxicology Review (Glyphosphate Poisoning. Bradberry, Proudfoot AT, Vale JA. 2004):

<<Ingestion of >85 mL of the concentrated formulation is likely to cause significant toxicity in adults. Gastrointestinal corrosive effects, with mouth, throat and epigastric pain and dysphagia are common. Renal and hepatic impairment are also frequent and usually reflect reduced organ perfusion. Respiratory distress, impaired consciousness, pulmonary oedema, infiltration on chest x-ray, shock, arrythmias, renal failure requiring haemodialysis, metabolic acidosis and hyperkalaemia may supervene in severe cases. Bradycardia and ventricular arrhythmias are often present pre-terminally.>>

Moore says, "You can drink a whole quart of it and it won't hurt you." That's a lie. A willful and deliberate falsehood. Meant to deceive. 85 ml is one-tenth of a quart. Moore's claim that you can drink ten times that amount "and it won't hurt you" was a bald-faced lie. And he fucking knows it. And he was pissed because he was called on it.

[Cha]

6. Monsanto Lobbyists Lie and it can't be posted too many times. Mahalo Veilex

https://www.facebook.com/Save.Hawai.from.Monsanto

[Takket]

9. clearly someone never watched Erin Brockovich.........

[Initech]

16. Journalist - 1, Monsanto - 0

[Veilex]

17. Indeed!

[HuckleB]

21. He's not a Monsanto Lobbyist.

It's time for some honesty here.

http://www.newsweek.com/patrick-moore-scientist-who-offered-and-then-refused-drink-glyphosate-weed-317289

https://www.facebook.com/goldenricenow/posts/877305162326980

[immoderate]

27. Honesty? From his facebook page...

I did not intend to say that glyphosate was “safe" to drink, it is not intended for consumption. My point was that in almost all cases it is non-lethal to drink in large quantities and therefore ‘safe’ in the manner that it is used in farming worldwide.

This is logic? Because drinking "large amounts" may not kill you -- therefore it is safe to use in farming worldwide? He didn't intend to say it was safe (though he did.) So is it safe or not safe? Can't be both.

I think it's notable that he is also a climate denier.

A March 2014 episode of the American program Hannity featured Moore making the statement that the Earth "has not warmed for the last 17 years" in a debate with pundit Bob Beckel. The Politifact organization rated Moore's assertion "mostly false", remarking that a significant net warming over that time-frame had occurred even though the spread was relatively flat as well as that Moore cherry-picked the time-frame to obscure the overall heating trend.

So not a "Monsanto Lobbyist" but nonetheless a corporate shill. He consults and advises companies that "externalize costs."

You are vouching for Moore's honesty?? Sure about that?

--imm