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Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:07 PM

 

I just saw a creepy Cialis commercial

You know, the erection pills. It was a guy with silver hair that was easily in his sixties cuddled up with a woman that barely looked over 21.

Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse.

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Reply I just saw a creepy Cialis commercial (Original post)
Aerows Mar 2015 OP
femmocrat Mar 2015 #1
Panich52 Mar 2015 #8
Aerows Mar 2015 #10
leftofcool Mar 2015 #2
Logical Mar 2015 #11
Aerows Mar 2015 #14
Logical Mar 2015 #16
Aerows Mar 2015 #17
customerserviceguy Mar 2015 #38
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #41
leftofcool Mar 2015 #20
11 Bravo Mar 2015 #52
lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #61
Skittles Mar 2015 #99
leftofcool Mar 2015 #102
msanthrope Mar 2015 #100
leftofcool Mar 2015 #101
snooper2 Mar 2015 #104
Demit Mar 2015 #27
Logical Mar 2015 #28
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #32
Logical Mar 2015 #34
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #36
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #43
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #95
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #51
Aerows Mar 2015 #60
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #63
jeff47 Mar 2015 #103
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #108
jeff47 Mar 2015 #109
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #110
jeff47 Mar 2015 #111
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #113
Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #133
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #134
Xithras Mar 2015 #82
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #94
lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #117
steve2470 Mar 2015 #137
Quackers Mar 2015 #97
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #98
boston bean Mar 2015 #3
Aerows Mar 2015 #7
boston bean Mar 2015 #19
Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #25
boston bean Mar 2015 #26
alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #4
nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #30
woolldog Mar 2015 #84
Octafish Mar 2015 #5
msanthrope Mar 2015 #29
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #46
elfin Mar 2015 #6
Blue_Adept Mar 2015 #120
malaise Mar 2015 #9
Aerows Mar 2015 #12
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #68
jeff47 Mar 2015 #105
hobbit709 Mar 2015 #13
Aerows Mar 2015 #18
CTyankee Mar 2015 #42
zipplewrath Mar 2015 #118
CTyankee Mar 2015 #123
zipplewrath Mar 2015 #129
CTyankee Mar 2015 #130
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #44
Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #124
dissentient Mar 2015 #15
DirkGently Mar 2015 #21
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Lint Head Mar 2015 #22
MADem Mar 2015 #23
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MADem Mar 2015 #53
VScott Mar 2015 #24
ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #31
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #40
cwydro Mar 2015 #33
PasadenaTrudy Mar 2015 #35
olddots Mar 2015 #37
shenmue Mar 2015 #78
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #39
Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #54
1000words Mar 2015 #48
Rex Mar 2015 #50
1000words Mar 2015 #56
Rex Mar 2015 #58
jeff47 Mar 2015 #107
Aerows Mar 2015 #72
1000words Mar 2015 #75
KittyWampus Mar 2015 #91
smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #128
spooky3 Mar 2015 #73
GaltFreeDiet Mar 2015 #55
prayin4rain Mar 2015 #59
GaltFreeDiet Mar 2015 #62
prayin4rain Mar 2015 #80
1000words Mar 2015 #83
AngryAmish Mar 2015 #65
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Duppers Mar 2015 #85
pintobean Mar 2015 #57
BigDemVoter Mar 2015 #64
1000words Mar 2015 #66
spooky3 Mar 2015 #74
PeteSelman Mar 2015 #77
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Skittles Mar 2015 #87
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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:09 PM

1. They are all gross.

Even without the "age" factor. Those people get turned on by painting a bench, cleaning out an attic, or watching a kids' football game? Really???

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:16 PM

8. And their rutting isn't dared to be slowed by stopping long enough to take a pill, much less grab

condom or other contraceptive...

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Response to Panich52 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:17 PM

10. Which is my point

 

This is covered under insurance plans far and wide, but heaven forbid women want access to contraceptives.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:13 PM

2. It's just more of big pharma hawking their boner pills and other crap!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:18 PM

11. Are you claiming there's no need for erectile dysfunction pills? Nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:19 PM

14. I'm claiming that there is just as much need

 

for birth control to be covered under an insurance policy as boner pills - can't speak for the other poster, but that's absolutely my view on the subject.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:21 PM

16. Your comment is not even closely related to the post I replied to! Nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:25 PM

17. Actually, I'd like to make a point

 

that is kind of related.

There is FAR LESS need for boner pills that birth control. How is a man not being able to get it up in any way more detrimental to their life than a woman getting pregnant, including through force, use of said birth control pills for hormone regulation, and to treat other medical conditions?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:29 PM

38. For your information

'boner' pills, as you call them, are not fully covered by most insurance. There's a limit on the number of pills per month, and if one was prescribed Cialis for everyday use as a means of dealing with BPH, then they're out of luck.

For the record, I do support BCP's being fully covered by insurance, even in the case of so-called 'religious' employers. I favor all prescriptions being covered equally and fully, even the overadvertised ones.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:34 PM

41. Since when does "need" have anything to do with advertising?

Advertising is about getting people to buy shit, if it's shit they DONT need that's even better.

The shit people actually need doesnt need advertising.

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:34 PM

20. I wouldn't allow my husband to take them. Side effects are way to worrisome!

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:01 PM

52. You wouldn't allow him? Tell us ...

what else do you not allow him to do? And does he also get he decide what medications you are allowed to take?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:26 PM

61. Her body, her choice, something something. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 05:41 AM

99. should be his body, his choice too

I could never respect a man I could order around

unless they were paying me, of course

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Response to Skittles (Reply #99)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:00 AM

102. I have been married and taking care of him for 41 years

He is respected by many people including me!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #52)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 08:37 AM

100. Jumped out at me, too. nt

 

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #52)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 08:59 AM

101. Well, since he just had a minor stroke, I do decide what is best for him at the moment!

Any more questions?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #101)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:41 AM

104. Another rental truck gets stuck under the 11foot8 bridge

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:56 PM

27. Need?

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Response to Demit (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:06 PM

28. Need!

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:32 PM

32. Has anyone ever died from NOT being able to get an erection? For some reason I don't remember

hearing about this ENORMOUS problem until relatively recently. I just mentioned in another thread how our airwaves are now flooded with Big Pharma ads, hardly any other kind of ads, I almost miss the old ones for washing machines etc. And then the Lawyer ads, 'if you were prescribed this product, and are suffering from 'these' symptoms, please call Wellness, Wellness & Sickusonthem unless you're dead in which case please have your loved ones call 999-999-9999, you may be entitled to compensation'.

It woud be interesting to start counting them, noting the products, then watching for the lawsuits to see how many of them are sued.

It's hilarious. Legal pill pushing.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:50 PM

34. We should shut down all pharma companies. They are all evil. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:05 PM

36. I don't agree with that. I do think people should only take medications when they need it,

not just for 'recreational purposes' or to get rid of a headache or stay on medications far longer than is needed.

My MIL, eg, died because she was on statins she didn't need and had been taken off by her heart doctor. But she went to the ER for a minor issue, was found to be okay, and PUT BACK on a statin, that so thinned her blood a needed surgical procedure could not be performed a few later. She didn't NEED it.

Take it when needed, but from what I can see everyone is on drugs. Headaches go away, cuts heal, no need for a pill every time you sneeze.

But we are drug culture now, legal and illegal.

And the TV Ads are like ads for candy lately.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:39 PM

43. Coffee, booze, weed

Recreation is a part of life.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:24 AM

95. That seems a better 'cure' than swallowing bottles of expensive pills. For whatever the ailment is.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:00 PM

51. Yes! Remember when we had ads for things we actually used: cars, washers and dryers,

 

vacuum cleaners, hair crčam, shoe cream, shaving cream, furniture, bras, koolaid, toys, hand soap, dish soap, laundry soap, bandaids, deodorant, TVs, TV dinners, coffee, beer, soda, fast food, cigarettes, cereal...

my theory is it's just 2 corporations that own everything, so they don't need ads anymore. found out the other day that one corporation/holding co owns most furniture companies AND most shoe companies. And "Buster Brown" is still a brand of shoes. And the merger between shoes and furniture happened longer ago than we think and the merger of most shoe companies happened even longer ago.









now it's financial services, boner pills, insurance...

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:24 PM

60. Dandy Mincemeat Doughnuts

 

That sounds about as digestible and swell as "Toxic Waste Arsenic Bars"!

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Response to Aerows (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:32 PM

63. but -- it's crisco!! so digestible!!!

 

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:39 AM

103. It's basic demographics.

The largest bloc of consumers is still the Baby Boomers. So companies are still marketing to them.

They already have cars and washers and dryers. But they're getting older, and the menfolk are getting distressed that they aren't 18 anymore.

You'll continue to see ads move up the "age ladder" until the number of baby boomers dwindle. Then marketers will have to figure out how to actually reach younger generations.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #103)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:55 AM

108. I don't buy it. Half the US population is under 37, & 1/4 is < 20.

 

People under 20 years of age made up over a quarter of the U.S. population (27.3%), and people age 65 and over made up one-eighth (12.8%) in 2009.[12]

The national median age was 36.8 years.[12]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#U.S._demographic_birth_cohorts

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #108)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:03 PM

109. You'll note my post said "consumer" not "people".

You have to have money to be a consumer. 20-somethings are broke. 50-somethings aren't. Which one is gonna get more ads on TV?

Also, you have to consider the media carrying the ad. TV audiences skew much older than the population in general. Just like you won't see a lot of tampon ads in Playboy, ads on TV are going to skew towards older consumers.

Lastly, the youngest Boomers are in their 50s now. 65 and up doesn't cover them.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #109)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:14 PM

110. 2/3 of the population is under 50. young people have parents; who buy them things.

 

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #110)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:15 PM

111. Whining for your parents to buy you the latest toy stopped working when you hit double-digits. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #111)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:18 PM

113. and the 20% under 20? the majority of the population is under 50.

 

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #108)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:39 PM

133. A pretty small portion of the country is under 3 but you still see diaper commercials. nt

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #133)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:09 PM

134. tell it to jeff47.

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:57 PM

82. Yes, actually

Loss of sexual function is a major cause of age related depression in men. In fact, chronic health issues that lead to loss of body functionality is the leading cause of new depression cases in older men. Suicide rates among older adults with late onset depression are actually higher than among younger populations with diagnosed depression, largely due to the fact that the triggers for late onset depression are often chronic with no hope of any cure or improvement.

The link between the loss of male sexual functionality and suicide has been documented for more than a century. Much of it is cultural in origin, because our society places such a high value on youthful virility, but it is a very real problem for those who are facing the fact that a core part of their self-identification has been destroyed.

If you want to see this in action, just talk to any oncologist. Nearly all of them can tell you stories about men with prostate cancer who chose death over cancer surgeries that would have left them alive but impotent.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #82)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:21 AM

94. That's very sad. However, it does seem to be more of a cultural problem. Are these findings

confined to THIS culture? People in other cultures seem to be a lot happier overall. I wonder why that is?

We are not among the happiest cultures on the scale of 'happy nations'.

Pills can't solve everything, except on a temporary basis.

How about women? Growing older in the US seems to be almost an affliction, whereas in other cultures it is a GOAL to be reached and respect is earned.

Maybe rather than trying to find quick fixes, some studies on how to change the culture regarding expectations, the focus on youth, which is short lived, would be a better longterm fix.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:17 PM

117. Thank you. n/t

 

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Response to Xithras (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:19 PM

137. thanks for that, much appreciated nt

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:07 AM

97. Actually, people have died.

Depression and suicide due to ED is more common than people think. I know you weren't intentionally implying that people don't kill themselves over this, but I felt it was important to bring attention to the issue.

ETA: sorry, I just seen someone else address this down thread. I didn't mean to hit you with all of the same info again.

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Response to Quackers (Reply #97)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:14 AM

98. Yes, I received information above from another poster and responded to that.

Thanks for your response. If it is something directly related to the culture we live in, then a pill is really only a temporary 'fix'. Seems to be something that requires more than that. Eg, I wonder if there are stats on this issue in other countries where cultural pressures on men are not the same as they are here?

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

3. The ED ones without one male to bee seen in the commercial....

Just a woman laying on a bed, wishing and hoping.....

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:15 PM

7. Lord, I haven't seen that one

 

I just saw it in passing - I avoid as much television as possible.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:30 PM

19. here you go:



and just for some fun

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:40 PM

25. I HATE those.

Hate, hate, hate.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:42 PM

26. I never liked the others, because they are plain stupid...

but to market a drug for men to women, puts this on a whole other level.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

4. That's like saying "I just heard a Pitbull song about being up in da club"

 

They're all like that...

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:19 PM

30. ...

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:05 PM

84. ....

 

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

5. Works wonders for former neocon CIA directors.

And their supporters in Congress and Wall Street.

Dusty Foggo got incredible levels of protection while in his last two years at CIA, protection that probably goes beyond what you’d expect of his senior position. With each new detail of his involvement in the torture program, it seems more and more likely that that protection extended at least in part from the role he played in covering up torture. -- https://web.archive.org/web/20100403015131/http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/03/28/dusty-foggos-girlfriend-john-rizzo-and-the-salt-pit/

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:08 PM

29. Octa.....you never disappoint. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:42 PM

46. ....if it wasnt for non sequiturs

i wouldnt have any sequiturs at all!

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

6. Viagra changed its ads to creepier as well

I hate them and especially the fact they appear all day on regular TV - not in later night programs aimed at adults. And that such pills are covered, but birth contraceptives are not in many plans.

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Response to elfin (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:36 PM

120. "programs aimed at adults"

Are on all day now.

Because kids generally have access to kids programming on kids channels where these kinds of ads don't are, like disney xd, nick and other networks.

Considering the number of adults that now work from home and other hours as opposed to the "traditional" 9-5, if you were marketing things, wouldn't you market it throughout the day to get to your audience?

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:17 PM

9. I hate all those ads

Funny how they don't worry about the children's sensibilities these days - remember when they were going after Clinton.

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:18 PM

12. "Think of the Children!"

 

and all of that bs. It was just freaking creepy.

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:50 PM

68. to be fair; young children aren't going to get it. they're not very blatant. they might

 

ask why the nice people are taking baths outside, though.

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:43 AM

105. Well, ads where you have to guzzle beer to have any joy in life were just fine

They're targeting the same demographic. They're just older now, so they are targets for different products.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:19 PM

13. What I don't get is those one person bathtubs.

They look as if they'd be uncomfortable for two.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:27 PM

18. The creepy aspect, though

 

of some silver haired dude cuddling in a hammock with a 21 year old as though that is in anyway normal or should be expected of any man in his late sixties was just icky.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:38 PM

42. that is strange. I've never figured that out...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:28 PM

118. I did

So you want to make an illusion to sex, but you can't be too explicit because you want to run these commercials at all times of the day and night. Kinda makes nudity hard to achieve. There's one situation that you can show anytime where people are naked, that's in the bath tub. Of course you can't put them in the SAME tub. So you put two tubs where there is no other reason for two naked people to be together, and voila! You can have naked people anytime of the day and night. Not like you ever see soap or water in those tubs do ya?

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #118)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:37 PM

123. I just don't think I would portray intimacy like that...

it raises the issue of what your good sense makes of it. While I think you are right it still doesn't pass the test of making sense...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #123)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:22 PM

129. More of a case of "branding"

It's probably more of a case of creating a connection in your mind that wasn't there before. They seem to believe it has worked because the commercials continue to employ the image, and in fact they've made a bit of a "logo" out of the silhouette of the image. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to stick in your mind.

Dish seems to be doing the same attempt with the Rob Lowe commercials. They are trying to create an equivalency in peoples mind that "cable = bad". Dunno if it is working. I know I hate the commercials. Some are down right creepy.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #129)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 05:44 PM

130. I think you are right. It's so bad and nonsensical it has US spending time discussing it!

It might have been their intention all along. I wouldn't put it past them.

I see these commercials constantly on MSNBC when I'm trying to watch the shows. It seems to bespeak a certain group of their watchers. I don't see them that often on network shows, but then I don't watch that much TV.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:40 PM

44. I like when they drag the bathtubs down to the beach to watch the sunset.

Yea, that makes sense.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:34 PM

124. not hooked up to water supply

 

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:21 PM

15. These drug pushers are relentless

 

they are no different from the common street thugs selling their crap, except they get to do it legally on tv.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:34 PM

21. Men's sexual enjoyment > women's health, amirite?


Yes, it's bullshit. And the boner pill commercials never stop. They're ALL creepy.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:44 PM

47. Which would totally make sense

If that was what the commercial was about.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #47)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:52 PM

49. I believe it also makes sense if you read the OP.

Men's erections are well-supported by health insurance. The results of those erections, to the extent they impact women, are challenged ferociously on the grounds that we all shouldn't be subsidizing women's sex lives.

This despite the fact that missing erections affect men's health approximately zero much, while birth control has radically greater impact on women's health.

I don't find that at all.

You do?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:41 PM

67. The OP is about a television commercial, not the extent of health insurance coverage.

FWIW, I think both a healthy sex life- an important part of many peoples' lives, wouldn't you agree- AND full reproductive coverage ought to be covered by health insurance, but, then I support a SPHC system so many of these distinctions would be rendered sort of moot if I had my way.

If you want to argue with the people who make this bullshit noise about "don't subsidize womens sex lives", perhaps you would get more traction if you were talking to one of them, or at the very least their supposedly progressive enablers who do things like support the Ed Meese/AFA "family values/morality in media" gang, when it suits their agenda.

I am not one of those people, however.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:50 PM

69. The OP talks about more than the commercial

which is pretty obvious.

And it's creepy. It's creepy there are that many ads, and it is creepy the way erections are fall fun and hottubs, and preventing unwanted pregnancy is a women's problem because she shouldn't be having all that sex.

It's lovely you recognize that as "bullshit noise," but not entirely clear why you find the connection between that thought and the endless stream of gleeful boner pill commercials so unfathomable.

I'd say you were being deliberately obtuse if I didn't know you generally make better sense than that.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #69)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:59 PM

70. If the gleeful boner pill commercials were somehow linked to the religious right, maybe

but.... they're not.

The same pharma companies that make erection medicines, also make the birth control pills.

It's a too-convenient target which is actually a distraction from the real thing, namely coverage for reproductive health care.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, I don't need gleeful boner pills. And I think contraception should be covered by health plans.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #70)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:59 PM

90. The attitudes are linked, obviously.

Sex is all bearskin rugs and firelit encounters when Grandad wants to get his freak on, but birth control is all eww why should insurance cover your lady sex?

That's 'Merica talking, right there, like it or not.

The culture having that dissonance is part of a whole. But you think that observation unfairly impugns the boner pills ... or something?

If you really don't care, why stretch so hard to complain about the OP?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #90)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:57 PM

93. Actually, I got into the subthread by responding to your assertion, not the OP.

I think it's a vast oversimplification to suggest that somehow this is about "men's sexual enjoyment>womens reproductive health" or whatever you put, up there.

Speaking of compalining, the thing which really seems to bug people about this ad is NOT that it's "boner pills" but that it's an old dude with a younger woman. I don't know, personally I don't really care who fucks who as long as they're all consenting adults, but I do know that some people seem to have some fairly large axes to grind around that shit. Some people seem to be able to complain about just about anything. Like, when there was a draino commercial with an older woman and two "sexy" plumber dudes, they complained about THAT, too.

Nevertheless that has nothing to do with prescription drug coverage, does it?

But then a lot of these narratives depend on huge oversimplifications, broad generalizations, etc. There has to be one black and white problem, represented by all the blank who uniformly do or think x when they ought to do or think y.

But "Merica" isn't a monolith, and the universe isn't a series of easily identifiable 2 dimensional cardboard cutouts. And "the culture" is a whole bunch of different things and currents and cultures and NOT one thing. Hell, I feel like I'm talking to people from fucking mars half the time just when I deal with folks east of the Mississippi. They're fucking flabbergasted that 4 states have legalized marijuana, which certainly all the beltway conventional east coast nabobs would have told you up until a couple years ago was a non-issue and a political loser. How does the idea of one monolithic "culture" explain that shit?

It doesn't.

I don't care about boner pills being "impugned" but that doesn't mean I'm going not to call intellectually lazy arguments which pretend to conflate totally unrelated shit, what they actually are.

Or another example: I guarantee you that the demographics watching the cialis commercials - and certainly the folks whose grandchildren haven't informed them about these newfangled things called DVRs, which mostly render the whole idea of "commercials" pretty much moot - ...leaving aside the rare 20something woman who may actually be having sex with silver-haired cialis dude in a bathtub.... are NOT, for the most part, the same age groups who still have to worry about birth control.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #93)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:05 PM

115. The OP made the same assertion, I believe.



Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse.


Again, you're being deliberately obtuse in my opinion. Our culture celebrates limitless male sexuality, then purses its dainty lips like the Church Lady when anything having to do with the consequences of that sexuality to women is invoked.

You won't see any cutesy commercials about the joys of female contraception, because that's dirty and not fun, and according to many, not even part of anyone's right to health care or insurance.

Not sure why you find that connection offensive, but it's there whether it irritates you or not.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 06:02 PM

122. Okay, several days later, here, but let me ask a general question: How old are you?

Because if you're like the general demographic outlay of DU, or even if you're like me- someone who skews young for DU but old for the rest of the internet- then I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "the culture" isn't anything you or I have our fingers on.

"The culture", again, is not monolithic, but whatever monolith there is, is comprised of the people who saw Paul McCartney on stage at the Superbowl and said "who is that old guy"?

Again, not welcome news, I understand. But truth.

It's interesting though that commercials which DO portray female sexual enjoyment as cutesy and fun ALSO piss off the perpetually culturally outraged, so I guess there's no winning.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #90)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:18 PM

127. +1000

You have a good point.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:51 PM

89. Actually, the OP says this


Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse


Or was that paragraph invisible?

My observation on what's creepy is actually my own.

Actually.


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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:37 PM

22. I looked and couldn't find Alice anywhere.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:38 PM

23. You have seen a cialis commercial that isn't creepy?

Not to get too nosy, but someone must have non-standard reproductive equipment if they can "do it" while each is sitting in two claw-footed tubs on a cliff!!!

And yes, the age disparity (it's at least twenty years, often more) between the women and the men reminds me of sleazy businessmen who are out and about with their "niece" -- not a good look.

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Response to MADem (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:40 PM

45. I still have nightmares about that god damn lunesta moth

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:03 PM

53. Ha ha ha!!!!

That's a "comedian on stage"-worthy remark!!!!

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:39 PM

24. Nobody did dick commercials better than Smiling Bob.

 

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Response to VScott (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:22 PM

31. Wanda Sykes called him

"broke dick Bob"

(poor quality, but this skit had me laughing)

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:31 PM

40. You've gotta be a toothy grinning moron if you think a "herbal male enhancement"

Is gonna make your dick get bigger.


Well, you know, sucker born every minute.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:33 PM

33. They're all creepy.

I hate those commercials.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:56 PM

35. I'm glad I don't have TV n/t

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:27 PM

37. I took 2 Cialis pills

 

and made love to bath tub .

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Response to olddots (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:24 PM

78. You win the thread

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:30 PM

39. DVR

Problem solved

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:03 PM

54. Or mute and a nice stretch. A kettle on for tea. Scratching the critters heads...

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Response to 1000words (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:57 PM

50. Setting genders aside, do you think a relationship can be healthy between at 21 yr old and 64 yr old

 

I can see all kinds of problems developing. AND that is not normal or considered normal in our society.

I don't know if that was the OPs intent...but I wonder why there has to be ED commercials in the first place. I would think a person that has problems with sexual arousal would talk to their doctor about it anyway. I guess some men need commercials to remind them where to get pecker pills.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:06 PM

58. Good point.

 

In the end, it really is none of any of our business. Society seems to be very sporadic at times with what is and what is not 'normal' I will agree with you there.

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Response to Rex (Reply #50)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:52 AM

107. It's an extremely embarrassing subject.

Culturally, men are supposed to fuck damn near anything willing that crosses their path. If the man's equipment stops working, that yanks the rug out from what our culture defines as important for men.

That makes it highly embarrassing to bring up, and men are already far less likely to talk to doctors about any health problem.

But mostly this is about demographics. The largest bloc of consumers are still Baby Boomers, so ads reflect that. The ads used to be "drink our beer and you'll be a stud surrounded by women in bikinis", with the obvious implication about what is supposed to happen off-screen. Now it's "take our pill and you'll still be able to fuck". The targets for the ads are just older, so it's a different product.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:01 PM

72. I thought it was creepy.

 

The context of the commercial. When I see a commercial with chic, empowered women cuddling in a hammock with a 20-something man praising how a female boner pill gave her a new lease on life, etc., I'll take your comment seriously.

context

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Response to 1000words (Reply #75)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:31 PM

91. it's a commercial. They aren't real people so they don't actaully have a relationship-

 

Movies, best-sellers, videos, commercials are all part of our collective consciousness.

When we talk about this sort of thing we aren't referring to individuals but cultural norms.

The FACT is, older women aren't considered attractive or desirable.

Older men are.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #91)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:23 PM

128. Well, not really. Not unless they are really, really rich.

And that is only desirable in the sense that they are a meal ticket, not that they are actually physically desirable. Take a good look around sometime.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:02 PM

73. A 60-something woman paired with 21-year-old man? I doubt you'll find many people

who think that's just another "live and let live" situation.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:04 PM

55. SO FUCKING WHAT?

Last I checked a 21 year old woman is AN ADULT!
She has the right to date ANYONE she chooses! It's none of your fucking business.
The people who don't like it are nosy, judgmental ASSHOLES.

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Response to GaltFreeDiet (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:20 PM

59. Seek therapy and/or education. Quickly. n/t

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Response to prayin4rain (Reply #59)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:31 PM

62. Why? Because I don't buy into Reaganite "morality"?

nt

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Response to GaltFreeDiet (Reply #62)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:41 PM

80. Why aren't women close to the age of the man shown in these commercials? n/t

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Response to GaltFreeDiet (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:36 PM

65. That is problematic.

 

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Response to GaltFreeDiet (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:09 PM

76. Did you read the 2nd paragraph of the OP?

The recent efforts to prevent family planning, but not a peep of complaint about boner pills are what chaps women's hides.

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Response to GaltFreeDiet (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:43 PM

81. Yeah, because tons of 21 year old women are just

lining up to date senior citizens. It's so realistic.

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Response to GaltFreeDiet (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:08 PM

85. !!

Age of sexual consent in Austria, Germany, Portugal is 14. In many parts of Asia it's 13. It wouldn't matter to you if the female in the commercial was that young, as long as it was "legal," it seems. Men who like females 40 to 50 yrs younger than themselves have psychological issues.

I love DU's ignore function. You're on it ASAP.


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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:36 PM

64. Ugh.

What always irritates me is that they'll show some old GOAT with a young, beautiful woman, and we're supposed to take it SERIOUSLY.

BUT when we see an older woman with a young man, it's supposed to be comedy. . . Disgusting double standard.

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:03 PM

74. comedy--or unfathomable--or horrifying, etc., etc.

You're absolutely right about the double standard - and it becomes even more clear when you are talking about a 10 or 20 year age gap rather than a 40 year gap.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:10 PM

77. I see nothing wrong with this at all.

Creepy? Why? Are you an ageist? Should an older gentleman not be allowed to be with a younger woman?

The birth control/ED pill argument is silly.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:36 PM

79. so we must be creepy

My wife is 18 years younger than me. When we got married, I had graying hair since I started graying in my early 40's. We have been happily married for 12 years. I would not have expected such judgmental statements on a progressive board. We were both adult at that time and the fact we got married is our business, nobody else. After all, the RW is pushing the same arguments when it comes to LGBT people. Discriminating is wrong for any reason. Wether its ageism, racism (people used to think mixed marriages were creepy) or homophobia does not change anything.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #79)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:42 PM

86. Good for you both. I

 

was engaged to a man 16 years older than me.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:43 PM

87. don't you know all us gals crave fossilized penai?

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:53 PM

92. Not all dudes with gray hair are in their sixties (nt)

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:58 AM

96. What's sickening is the way they smile at each other

they could barely kiss with all their teeth showing...

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:50 AM

106. I'm 86 and I can't keep the gangs of 18 yo blue eyed blondes off of me.

 



When are people going to realize that the thought of being with an old man is repulsive to young girls.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #106)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:36 PM

114. Repulsive is relative

 

To some, not having that Givenchy bag is intolerable. Sleeping with an old guy might not be too bad by comparison.

For some reason this reminds me of the Pretty Woman scene where Julia Roberts is getting blinged up. Gere looked twice her age in that movie.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:17 PM

112. They've been gross to me since the first Viagra commercials

 

Now instead of guys pitching it, they have good looking older women. One has an upper class sounding English accent.

They show her in a beach house alone, as if these pills really aren't for your wife. So you get the distinct impression that she's a mistress just sitting around, lonely, waiting for her guy to show up with the ED medication. It's really so over-the-top right now. Janet Jackson's boob was nowhere near as bad as these ads.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:16 PM

116. They are gross! Except the one that Ellen D did:

 

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:36 PM

119. Personally

I would like to see an ED commercial with an older gay couple. I'm sure a massive freak out would ensue.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:36 PM

125. Usually it is an older couple shown

On those ads. The wife is usually age appropriate. Because is who they are marketing to. A 21 year old woman can find a man who doesn't need the drug

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:08 PM

126. Insurance covers get it up pills

And until, Obamacare, birth control pills were not.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #126)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:00 PM

131. Why wouldn't insurance cover a physiological dysfunction

with multiple effective treatments?

Americans REALLY have to get over their irrationality around SEX

Sexual behavior isn't an optional usually sinful part of life

Erectile dysfunction is not strictly comparable to birth control even if both intersect with sexual function.

Generations of women have fought for both menstruation and pregnancy to NOT be considered a disease.

IMO Women must have legal rights to self-defense against unwanted pregnancy, but that is really independent of treatments for various forms of sexual dysfunction

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #131)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:09 PM

136. Missed the point!

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #126)

Sat Mar 21, 2015, 07:49 AM

138. I think I get it. You want to ridicule the historic fairness of insurance coverage

for birth control pills, and condescending dismissal of ed treatment was tool you chose to accomplish that.

I do get that.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #138)

Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:26 AM

140. Just the hypocrisy

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:14 PM

132. One time I took a Cialis and a laxative.

I didn't know whether I was coming or going.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:25 PM

135. I have yet to see a Cialis or Viagra commercial that didn't give me the creeps...

 

If not for the commercial itself; then what I have to look forward to as an aging man.

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

139. My new "favorite" Cialis commercial is the one where they try to solve 2 probems:

erectile dysfunction and benign prostatic hypertrophy (I hate cutesy initials for disease). The first scene is the usual spiel about spur-of-the-moment sex. The next is a couple in the stands at a sporting event and the announcer lets you know that you won't have to suddenly find a bathroom if you take Cialis. I'm sure the vast majority of watchers think to themselves, "Who wants to have sex in a dirty, old, stadium bathroom anyway?"

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Response to Aerows (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:33 AM

141. Maybe she's portrayed as a prostitute in the commercial?

Everyone seems to be pointing out the unlikelihood that this is a loving couple. But it could happen for a price!

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