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Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:09 PM

20 year old man charged with shooting officers in Ferguson

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A 20-year-old protester has been charged with shooting two police officers in Ferguson, Mo., last week, authorities said Sunday.

County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch said Jeffrey Williams was charged with two counts of assault in the first degree, one count of firing a weapon from a vehicle, and thee counts of armed criminal action.
McCulloch said Williams admitted firing the shots, but said he was shooting at someone else.

"We're not sure we buy that part of it," McCulloch said, adding that the handgun used in the shooting has been recovered.

He said Williams was involved in the demonstration that was wrapping up when the incident took place. Williams, he said, was being held in lieu of $300,000 cash bail.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/15/ferguson-police-shooting-arrest/24808987/


So, it was a drive by and not from the hill above like thought. I didn't see if they mentioned the type of gun in the presser.

I'm changing the headline, which should be fine since this is GD. It reads "protester" which I'm reading elsewhere is in question and probably false.

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Reply 20 year old man charged with shooting officers in Ferguson (Original post)
herding cats Mar 2015 OP
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #1
herding cats Mar 2015 #3
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #38
mythology Mar 2015 #99
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #100
LittleBlue Mar 2015 #2
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #4
herding cats Mar 2015 #5
hack89 Mar 2015 #8
blm Mar 2015 #13
Rex Mar 2015 #19
blm Mar 2015 #24
pintobean Mar 2015 #31
cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #40
kiva Mar 2015 #89
blm Mar 2015 #93
Throd Mar 2015 #32
Rex Mar 2015 #82
Throd Mar 2015 #92
blm Mar 2015 #104
Rex Mar 2015 #113
phil89 Mar 2015 #81
blm Mar 2015 #94
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NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #6
roody Mar 2015 #14
NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #18
blm Mar 2015 #15
NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #20
Rex Mar 2015 #25
NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #35
blm Mar 2015 #56
NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #60
blm Mar 2015 #64
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NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #88
blm Mar 2015 #91
NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #97
blm Mar 2015 #103
Scootaloo Mar 2015 #106
NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #111
Scootaloo Mar 2015 #115
still_one Mar 2015 #21
pintobean Mar 2015 #36
blm Mar 2015 #52
pintobean Mar 2015 #57
GoneFishin Mar 2015 #7
NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #9
ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #11
Rex Mar 2015 #16
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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:17 PM

1. The original reporsts said a handgun. There were a lot of theads here at DU

discussing the issue with the gun.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:25 PM

3. I thought it would be of interest here, which was why I mentioned I wasn't sure.

A hand gun sounds about right considering he was in a vehicle. If he really was shooting at someone else and hit the police by accident, it's stupid, horrible bad luck all the way around.

I see another thread was posted on this while I was formatting this one on my tablet. My apologies to all here for the duplicate topic!

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Response to herding cats (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:56 PM

38. "Shooting at someone else and hitting the police" is as far from bad luck as you can get.

 

Sheer idiotic stupid morons are not subject to "luck".

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:22 PM

99. Well if chance favors the prepared mind

 

The opposite is also true.

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Response to mythology (Reply #99)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:24 PM

100. Keep telling yourself that.

 

You might wanna click your heels together while saying it.

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:24 PM

2. So the conspiracy theorists can rest now or no?nt

 

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:27 PM

4. I saw the video of the actual shooting and saw no car in the frame. Also heard the eye witnesses

shouting that it had come from a house on a street they were pointing towards. That is the house the police and swat teams were searching.

And to say this was a 'protester' is questionable. Just because someone joins a crowd, doesn't make them part of that crowd. Not to mention, I believe nothing McCullough has to say, so will wait for someone more credible to weigh in.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:29 PM

5. What conspiracies, i didn't know there was any?

The speculation it was from on a hill above was due to confusion after the shooting from what I understand. That's common in such an emotionally charged moment.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:34 PM

8. There was at least one false flag thread

and one long thread about how it most likely a RW domestic terrorist.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:42 PM

13. you mean how it COULD HAVE BEEN a RW agitator given the distance

from those who were shot.

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Response to blm (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:47 PM

19. It was a good guess.

 

Sadly some here are far to insecure to do such things, they have to wait for information to be spoonfed to them.

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Response to Rex (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:53 PM

24. Yeah - and from an official of a town that has no systemic racism.

sarc

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Response to Rex (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:27 PM

31. Aren't "good" guesses required to be accurate

 

or close to accurate? A guess that is completely wrong is not a good guess.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:01 PM

40. Apparently speculation of the "could have been" variety now qualifies as a good guess. n/t

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:46 PM

89. Y'know, the whole 'horseshoes and hand granades' thing.

The people pushing the false flag idea will say "But it could have been true!!!!!", which is pretty much the canned response to criticism of conspiracy theories.

I won the lottery. Well, I didn't win the lottery, but I could have!

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Response to pintobean (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:05 PM

93. Meaning as good as any other considering the fact that there have been more

law enforcement ambushed and shot by RW extremists in recent years than there have been shot at around or near protests.

That seems to be a factor no one wants to address in their haste to condemn what was clearly written as possibility based on the recent spate of cop shootings, especially over the past year.

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Response to Rex (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:38 PM

32. So immediately flapping your arms and announcing who you want the perps to be is a better way to go?

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Response to Throd (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:24 PM

82. 'who you want the perps to be' - I guess do to limited comprehension skills

 

that is how it appears to people that seem to have the urge to defend the KKK under any circumstances.

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Response to Rex (Reply #82)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:04 PM

92. Yes, I was defending the Klan. It's hard to type wearing my pointy hood with the little eye holes.

When things like this happen, certain posters, without a shred of evidence post theories of who might be responsible because they really, really, really want it to be true.

I believe this was the case.

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Response to Throd (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:38 PM

104. Who did that?

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Response to blm (Reply #104)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:57 PM

113. "It was irresponsible and foolish."

 

Supposed adults say that on a public forum and I am supposed to take them seriously? Hear that blm!? You can hurt people in RL, buy expressing your opinion on DU!



I've seen it all now...

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Response to Rex (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:15 PM

81. No, it wasn't a good guess.

 

It was 100% incorrect and stated with absolutely no evidence. It was irresponsible and foolish.

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Response to phil89 (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:10 PM

94. It wasn't stated, it was clearly preceded by the words, 'I think' and 'could have been'

and based on the probability, since there have been more law enforcement ambushed and shot at by RW extremists in recent years than there have been law enforcement ambushed and shot at by protestors and ordinary criminals.

You read it the way you wanted to interpret it instead of as it was written.

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Response to phil89 (Reply #81)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:54 PM

112. "It was irresponsible and foolish." Why who got hurt by it?

 

You few that pretend it is offensive for another person to have an opinion are making me LMAO!

SO, DU now can hurt people via posters posting opinions...I've seen it all now.

Seriously you guys have a good act going, but everyone sees right through it.

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:31 PM

6. Apparently it was a "protester."

But wait...I thought people were sure it was going to be some sort of white supremacist, false flag operation, possibly just some gun nut looking for a chance to shoot somebody.

Is it any wonder that these "protesters" get so little respect? I'll be interested to see if any of the protest leaders denounce these shootings.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:42 PM

14. Are you a Ferguson Police officer?

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Response to roody (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:45 PM

18. Nope.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:43 PM

15. CNN now…..It wasn't a protestor - he was never at the protests -

he said he saw someone at the protests who he said had robbed him and he aimed at them.

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Response to blm (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:47 PM

20. I'm just going with what I read.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:56 PM

25. Wait...you mean you jumped to conclusions like the people you are making fun of!?

 

Do go on...

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Response to Rex (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:52 PM

35. I didn't make up a fantasy out of thin air.

A lot of people seemed (or pretended to be) convinced that this was some sort of white supremacist master plan, sort of like the crazy fantasies that the Boston Marathon bomber was a white, right-wing gun nut.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:31 PM

56. No one was convinced - qualifying terms like "I think" and "could have been"

followed with links supporting the reason behind the possibility does not equal 'convinced' according to any definition.

I understand why you felt the need to apply your own definitions, however.

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Response to blm (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:38 PM

60. Cool story bro. Did you read any of those comments?

I read a few before the sheer nuttery convinced me to just turn off my computer.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:48 PM

64. The overwhelming view on the thread was that it was worth CONSIDERING the

possibility.

Your claim that people were convinced is hardly accurate. It only supports YOUR lack of discernment.

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Response to blm (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:30 PM

83. Thanks for saying it, I am getting tired of the fake outrage or whatever the crap is

 

always ruining a good thread. They know what they are doing and also know they can get away with 'concern trolling' all day long in GD.

Notice not a single one of them can trash those threads or ignore them? I think they purposely try and sabotage those threads. All because they don't like the topic.

Boo fucking hoo.

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Response to blm (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:40 PM

88. Apparently the overwhelming view was wrong.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #88)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:01 PM

91. How could it be wrong to say something is POSSIBLE

and worth considering, especially in light of the fact that there have been more law enforcement ambushed and shot by RW extremists in recent years than have been ambushed and shot by protestors?

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Response to blm (Reply #91)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:17 PM

97. Okay then, I'll go with possible.

Highly unlikely from the beginning, proved to be wrong now, but remotely possible.

Work for you?

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #97)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:35 PM

103. Not 'highly unlikely' to anyone following the reports and articles on the subject.

You are welcome to show me where your research shows that more law enforcement are targeted and killed protestors or by shooters from urban residential areas than there are law enforcement targeted by RW extremists in the last 6 years.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:45 PM

106. But you were sure ready to shit all over protestors as a whole

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #106)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:51 PM

111. Not as a whole, but I have nothing but disdain...

for those who used the "protests" as an excuse to riot, loot, and burn.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #111)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:26 PM

115. Yes, as a whole

 

Is it any wonder that these "protesters" get so little respect? I'll be interested to see if any of the protest leaders denounce these shootings.


Also, the fact that you are using scare quotes around the word protests kind of gives you away, too.

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Response to blm (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:48 PM

21. The new media, can't even get the story straight. Won't be surprised if fox

accuses President Obama

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Response to blm (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:53 PM

36. Is CNN interviewing the guy

 

while he's in custody?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:28 PM

52. No...a bishop who met with him...

he knew who he wanted to hit and planned the shooting knowing the target would be at the protest. My take: probably expected he could get away with it in the confusion.

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Response to blm (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:33 PM

57. We'll see.

 

Investigators say he was there. They've been looking at a lot of video.

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:34 PM

7. If according to him, he was not shooting at the cops, then what was he "protesting"?

Who chose to use the word "protester" in this article? Why was he in a car if he was part of the protestors?

If the "protester" had liberal leanings does anybody believe that the press would hesitate to emphasize the point?

I guess we will need to wait until Fox News tells us if this was the work of a "lone wolf" (aka right wing nut) or a "terrorist" (aka any non-white non-Judeo-Christian perpetrator).

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:37 PM

9. Gee, what a surprise. They catch a guy that fits their profile and call him a protester right off

the bat.

What are the odds

Too bad the DA and police in MO have lost all credibility, entirely and completely.

Even if they are telling the truth, for once, who would know?

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:40 PM

11. Poor choice to trot the DA out for that.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:44 PM

16. Exactly! After watching the GJ farce, who would believe they

 

have any credibility left? OTOH, the white racists will have a field day now that it turned out not to be one of their own.

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Response to Rex (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:45 PM

17. DU will have a field day..just watch--- NOT du, just some on DU

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:50 PM

22. Oh I know, they will be positively glowing over this.

 

NOT that they wanted to defend RWing white racists from false accusations mind you...no no, nothing like that at all.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:51 PM

23. Perhaps try and dial back the anti-DU angle.

Not everything needs to be made into an anti-DU post.

FWIW

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Response to blm (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:02 PM

26. Thank you.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:40 PM

33. Ditto.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:42 PM

61. Let's see, so far you've been wrong about Antonio Martin,

wrong about Vonderitt Myers, so what makes you think you're right about this?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #61)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:47 PM

62. .

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/autopsy_vonderitt_myers_jr_shot_8_times_6_times_from_behind.html


The evidence shows that the story we've been given by the Police Department does not match up," one of the Myers family's attorneys, Jerryl Christmas, told AP. "There's no evidence that there was a gun battle going on.


I dont recall saying absolutely neither were guilty, I do recall aLWAys questioning anything police EVER say

some here instantly and always defend police, I am not one of them


You see the difference is I know cops lie, all the time...so I never believe them, I need a credible 3rd party to provide evidence

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #62)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:51 PM

65. And so far, no audio has been released, even though that Christmas claimed that there was audio.

Whom to believe? The forensics and physical evidence? Or the unsubstantiated claims of the family's lawyer?
Guess what I'm going to believe?
Also, you were wrong about Antonio Martin.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:52 PM

66. I said I knew absolutely he was innocent of anything? When did I do that?

or did I question your favorite people, the police

Let me say this again, I NEVER believe the police.

They are prove to lie all the time.

That does not mean I am saying someone is innocent, I am saying I dont believe the cops when they tell me they are guilty

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #66)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:01 PM

72. And yet, you still can't bring yourself to admit that Martin did indeed

attempt to shoot that cop.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #72)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:04 PM

74. I havent even looked at it or thought about it, you are obsessed with proving the cops are

always right and dont lie

I wont be able to help you with that, they lie all the time.

Why is it SOOOO important to you for that person to be guilty, so much so you would bring it back up like this?

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #74)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:05 PM

76. And you STILL can't admit you were wrong.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #76)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:06 PM

78. Wrong about what? Where did I say he did not shoot the cop? Or did I say I wont believe he did

until I have proof from someone other than the police?

BTW "I dont see a gun" isnt the same as he didnt do it...is it

you would have to have an understanding of the world that you dont have , evidently, to understand why some people see things differently than you

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:00 PM

70. What you mean is who to believe, the cops or historical reality that they lie all the time

You are so invested in believing in them and I bet being liked by them that you can remember what I said months ago?

You might wanna take a look at that

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #70)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:03 PM

73. No, I don't believe everything they say, and I have called them out when they're wrong,

as in the case of Tamir Rice and Michael Brown.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #73)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:05 PM

75. Brown? That would shock me, so you agree that Wilson created a situation that was NOt necessary

and that he needlessly shot that kid?

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #75)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:07 PM

79. Of course that's what happened, Wilson should've been charged with,

at the very least, voluntary manslaughter, or at the most, 2nd degree murder and oppression under the color of law.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #79)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:08 PM

80. Well blow me over with a feather...

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:41 PM

12. Protestors are usually on foot, not in a car.

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Response to roody (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:03 PM

27. "Black and nearby" doesn't have the same effect.

 

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:06 PM

28. Not sure how he is a protester

I don't see how that can be determined at this point. I saw a protest leader on cnn say he knows the young man but hasn't seen him at the protests in months.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:19 PM

29. It is also now being reported he wasn't at the protest by other sources.

Driving by and seeing someone he hates, and participating are two different things after all. It is looking like a by design error in communication.

The people in power in Ferguson will never learn.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:20 PM

30. Now saying he had been tracking the guy TO the protests so he

could take his shot. Planned. A protestor was the target not the shooter as McCulloch wants the press to report.

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Response to blm (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:05 PM

77. The question is, why would the gunman

trail the guy he hated to a protest with witnesses and the police at the scene? I know it's a fucked up question but the scum of society usually like to keep their crimes without people present.

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Response to romanic (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:30 PM

84. Criminals are stupid

I've never credited drive by shooters as brilliant masterminds.
We'll see how this plays out. Having lived and worked in neighborhoods with stray bullets from drive by shooters and gun fights in the street shooting it up and bullets hitting everyone but, when I 1st read the story I did think it could have been stray bullets. But again I will wait to see how it plays out

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #84)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:12 PM

95. Pretty much the bottom line here - pretty damn stupid.

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Response to romanic (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:32 PM

86. My question also. nt

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Response to romanic (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:39 PM

105. Stupidly thinking the crowd was good cover?

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Response to romanic (Reply #77)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 07:36 PM

119. Too convenient.

He was aiming for the cops, but that carries a tougher penalty.

He wanted to kill someone else, he could have found a different place and shot him dead.

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:45 PM

34. But an irrelevant 2009 DHS study said that RW extremists are the greatest threat to cops

 

The only logical conclusion is that it was a rw extremist. Have the detectives that accused this guy even read the DHS report???!!! They need to throw any 'evidence' they collected away and read that report. Then they can search for the real shooter: a RW extremist.

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Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:31 PM

85. Foxnews thanks you for doing their job here.

 

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Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:21 PM

98. No one said that - The words 'I think' +'could have been' do not = 'only logical conclusion'

unless someone is in the process of building a straw man to have the argument they want to have instead of with the actual post.

Where did anyone ever say throw away the evidence and read the report? No one did. The report and the articles linked were posted as reference to why the possibility should be CONSIDERED.

How many law enforcement have been ambushed and shot at by RW extremists in recent years and how many law enforcement have been ambushed and shot at by protestors or residents of urban areas? Research it yourself and answer it if you dare.

But, I doubt you will.

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:55 PM

37. A plea of " it was the wrong one[twice]" won't help the defendant, even if true.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:34 PM

87. It might help at sentencing

But I think the guy might just want a plea bargain. He admitted to the shooting. If he can convince the prosecutor and judge he wasn't aiming at the people he hit he might just accept a plea.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #87)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:27 PM

101. Usually, the motive to kill takes precedent over the intended target...

 

In short, once the premeditation is established, the victim becomes something of a fill-in-the-blank. This from a non-attorney.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #87)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:52 PM

116. In some ways it's even worse

"I was aiming for someone else and hit two innocent bystanders who happened to be cops, but they just as easily could have been babies, nuns, girl scouts, survivors of the Boston Marathon bombing...."

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #116)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 03:02 AM

118. If you put it that way

That does sound worse. Good thing not a lawyer advising anyone.

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:57 PM

39. The question is, what is really him?

 

It's not like police officers ever go to extreme lengths to frame someone

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Response to Matrosov (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:05 PM

42. Stock up on tinfoil boys, we have a live one!

 

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:04 PM

41. Ireadon yahoo it was a 40mm handgun

 

McCulloch said Williams used a 40mm handgun, which matches the shell casings at the scene.

Williams, who St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said is black, is being held on $300,000 bond.


http://news.yahoo.com/police-announce-arrest-ferguson-police-shootings-175442302.html

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:06 PM

43. I strongly doubt it was a 40mm handgun.

 

.40 cal maybe.

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Response to Oklahoma_Liberal (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:12 PM

44. 40 mm is a little extreme

I agree 40 mm is a little overkill for a handgun.......I'm sure the poster meant just what you stated....40 cal.

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Response to GP6971 (Reply #44)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:28 PM

51. No kidding

Outside of a grenade launcher there's no handgun of that size I'm aware of.

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Response to Oklahoma_Liberal (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:12 PM

45. The police said they matched the shell casings to the gun?

 

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Response to Oklahoma_Liberal (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:15 PM

46. This article says .40 cal.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-police-20150315-story.html
Jeffrey Williams, who lives near Ferguson, was arrested Saturday night. Officials found a .40-caliber handgun at his home, officials said, and he told investigators that he’d shot at someone in a crowd of demonstrators over a personal dispute

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:23 PM

48. This is what raises suspicion

 

The police now are changing what gun they found.

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:27 PM

50. It's also possible the reporter is correcting an ititially incorrect report.

 

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:29 PM

54. well I seriously doubt it was 40mm as that would be an artillery shell

here's an example of a 40mm shell



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Response to justalovebug (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:29 PM

55. No they're not

 

McCulloch was asked and he said he thought it was a 9mm. One of the cops behind him corrected him and he turned around to get clarification. He turned back to the reporter and said it was a 40. Some idiot took that to mean 40 mm instead of 40 cal.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:34 PM

58. okay I didn't know the difference between the two types

 

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:37 PM

59. Caliber is a decimal of inches - so .38 is 0.38 inches in diameter.

On the other hand, 1 inch = 25.4 mm.

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:17 PM

96. I thought his defense was interesting.

 

"I wasn't shooting at the police!"

The claim that he was only shooting at the people of Ferguson is considered exculpatory.

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:22 PM

47. Welcome to DU

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #47)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:27 PM

49. thank you

 

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:28 PM

53. You're welcome

hope you have a good time here!

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:55 PM

68. You might want to edit your post to correct the 40mm to 40 cal.

you're taking some good natured ribbing here.
BTW, welcome to DU.

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:48 PM

63. A 40mm handgun?


Ya mean this?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #63)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:55 PM

67. I didn't know about guns I just read it in the article

 

I'm sorry

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:59 PM

69. No problem, just some good natured ribbing.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #69)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:00 PM

71. thanks

 

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:42 PM

110. And just teasing, myself

 

Welcome to DU

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Response to justalovebug (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:40 PM

109. Both guys were shot with one of these?

 

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:59 PM

90. If the Ferguson police will simply abide by the law, and

not go around shooting unarmed people, this sort of thing wouldn't happen...

( I wonder how they'd like having their own argument used against them?...)

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Response to Aristus (Reply #90)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:30 PM

102. Wow - great answer.

That community has been under duress for years, and the DOJ report proved to what great degree it was PUT under that duress by those in position of authority.

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Response to blm (Reply #102)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:24 PM

108. I agree with others..

 

your post is excellent!

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:14 PM

107. I do not trust their responses because of their record...

 

...of lying. McCulloch needs to be removed!

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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:04 PM

114. I don't believe a "protester" was involved - no matter what usatoday says



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Response to herding cats (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:44 AM

117. I don't know if you've seen this Huff Post article, herding cats.. & Wesley Lowery Tweets..

Arrest Made In Connection To Ferguson Police Shooting

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But regular demonstrators denied that they had ever seen Williams at the protests.

"We don't know him," said Tony Rice, the founder of Ground Level Support, who has been protesting since August

After naming three young male protesters who were regularly at the demonstrations, Rice told HuffPost, "I don't think there is a male 20-years-old that regularly protest outside of them.I think I can speak for the protester community in saying we don't know him," said Rice

After the press conference, press swarmed Alicia Street when she helped source the first picture of Williams. Street, 29, has been actively involved in protest since August as well and says she was unfamiliar with Williams as well.

"I have never seen him at a protest. I cannot recall that I even seen him that night. We know a lot of people out there, we really do. I even showed pictures to other regular protesters and they said they didn't know him," Street told HuffPost.

Other regular demonstrators also said that they did not recognize Williams.

MOre..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/15/ferguson-police-shooting-arrest_n_6873364.html?ir=Politics&utm_campaign=031515&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-politics&utm_content=FullStory&ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

Wondering who the Wiilaims was shooting at if not the Police?

Tweets from Wesley Lowery on the subject..
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/03/15/a-tweet-or-two-261/

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