Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:08 AM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

Most Official Emails Were Not Auto-Archived Until February (2015), Says State Department Official

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department said Friday it was unable to automatically archive the emails of most of its senior officials until last month, which could mean potential problems for historical record-keeping amid criticism of former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's use of a private email server while in office.

On the same day the department announced that it was temporarily shutting down parts of its unclassified Internet-linked systems, including email, to harden security in the wake of several hacking attacks, spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that only Secretary of State John Kerry's emails had been automatically retained before February of this year. Kerry's emails have been automatically stored since he took the job in February 2013, she said.

Psaki suggested the inability to automatically retain the emails of all but its most senior official before last month was because the department lacked the technical capability to capture them unless individual employees took action on their own. She said she could not be more specific but that the department hoped to be able to automatically archive all employees' emails by the end of this year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/clinton-emails-state-not-_n_6868054.html

89 replies, 4380 views

Thread info Bookmark this thread Trash this thread

Reply to this thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum

Replies to this discussion thread

89 replies	Author	Time	Post
Most Official Emails Were Not Auto-Archived Until February (2015), Says State Department Official (Original post)	morningfog	Mar 2015	OP
So almost none of the emails she sent to state.gov addresses	madville	Mar 2015	#1
and most people aren't, it is assumed that their system personal are handling such things	still_one	Mar 2015	#4
What kills me is that they 'lacked the ability' all this time.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2015	#54
I suspect it just isn't the state department either.	still_one	Mar 2015	#59
It's not just the State Department. According to the NYTimes article,	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#68
She spoke with great certainty on this point, though.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#5
Why do you say she couldn't have known? Everybody here has been assuming	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#69
Well, she couldn't have known because it isn't true.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#71
"I doubt she knew they weren't being saved,	delrem	Mar 2015	#12
I'm no fan of HRC, but I'd actually agree with that part.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2015	#55
It blows a hole in the idea that she was the exception instead of the rule. n/t	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#15
No.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#18
The .gov emails were not saved. Not until last month.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#21
Yes, they were.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#23
Read the article. Dot gov emails were not retained automatically until last month.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#30
No. .gov of "senior officials" were not retained automatically until last month.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#34
You have it ass backwards. They started with automatically retaining the Secretary's when Kerry	morningfog	Mar 2015	#38
No. Everyone Hillary Clinton, etc. received, or sent an email to	KMOD	Mar 2015	#41
You still have it wrong:	morningfog	Mar 2015	#60
No, once again, John Kerry is the first Sec of State to use a .gov account.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#63
You are not reading accurately, or you are just not reading.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#66
What is confusing you?	KMOD	Mar 2015	#72
Just keep digging!	99Forever	Mar 2015	#73
What?	KMOD	Mar 2015	#75
If I gotta tell ya....	99Forever	Mar 2015	#79
You are not making any sense, at least to me, at all.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#80
Sir...	99Forever	Mar 2015	#81
First, I'm a woman.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#82
Woman, man, or something else.	99Forever	Mar 2015	#83
lol	KMOD	Mar 2015	#84
But you can't make them comprehend or think.	99Forever	Mar 2015	#85
Exactly.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#86
The only thing confusing me is your willful ignorance. I don't get it.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#74
Oh my goodness,	KMOD	Mar 2015	#76
Got it. Everyone is wrong except Hillary.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#77
What?	KMOD	Mar 2015	#78
Oh lookie here, you can all put your money where you mouths are.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#87
Iverglas? Is that you?	Telcontar	Mar 2015	#88
When will I be loved?	KMOD	Mar 2015	#89
what about the FOIA, wasn't that there all along for extracting records?	namastea42	Mar 2015	#44
The key word up above was 'automatically'.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2015	#56
You need to catch up on yesterday's news	madville	Mar 2015	#53
It also blows a hole in the theory that it would have been better if she had used	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#67
Doesn't the department's technical ineptitude reflect badly on her leadership?	LeftyMom	Mar 2015	#2
Just a preview of what can be expected	Man from Pickens	Mar 2015	#10
Kerry has been the head of the State Department for over two years now.	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#16
Apparently they're finally making some rather slow progress.	LeftyMom	Mar 2015	#27
You have to parse Hillary's words carefully. She said she did not SEND any classified information.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#33
It really doesn't matter.	LeftyMom	Mar 2015	#42
Now that it's become an issue.	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#36
Because in the current culture of security every blessed thing is restricted information.	LeftyMom	Mar 2015	#47
all Federal agencies have been lacking with regards to recent technology.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#19
State is widely regarded to be bringing up the rear.	LeftyMom	Mar 2015	#29
Clinton followed all State protocol. Above and beyond.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#37
That's demonstrably untrue.	LeftyMom	Mar 2015	#45
Bullshit	KMOD	Mar 2015	#46
The NYTimes says HHS still doesn't archive and that numerous other agencies	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#70
I'm beginning to think we need to start GoFundMe pages, or Kickstarter accounts	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2015	#57
lol at the GoFundMe pages	KMOD	Mar 2015	#64
I'm not even a security guy	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2015	#65
Why are we still talking about this?	scscholar	Mar 2015	#3
If it had no legs, it would have no legs. This is long from over.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#8
It has no legs, no arms, no body, no nothing.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#20
So by having her own email Clinton did good?	joshcryer	Mar 2015	#6
Lol. So she says.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#7
I believe her.	joshcryer	Mar 2015	#9
Our system of government does not work on trust. It works on transparncy, accountablility	morningfog	Mar 2015	#11
Just what do you imagine she sent via email?	KMOD	Mar 2015	#22
I doubt she sent anything scandalous or neferious, but we will never know.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#26
This is so incredibly silly.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#32
Heh. That's a lie we tell ourselves.	joshcryer	Mar 2015	#51
Hey, I believe all politicians, Rep, Dem, US or other, but what does that get me?	delrem	Mar 2015	#13
Well, none would have been kept if she used state.gov, right?	stevenleser	Mar 2015	#31
That has never been my issue.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#35
Another point. The .gov emails are still in the State server, even if not automatically retained.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#40
Odd that they would auto-archive Kerry's emails the day he started, but there was no thought	TwilightGardener	Mar 2015	#14
Why didn't they start archiving ALL the emails of the whole department	pnwmom	Mar 2015	#17
It's extremely inconsistent and strange. Hillary operated under entirely different	TwilightGardener	Mar 2015	#24
They updated protocol. Big freakin' whoop.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#28
They updated protocol the day Kerry was sworn in? It suddenly on that day became	TwilightGardener	Mar 2015	#39
The policy was finally updated to modern times.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#43
If it's a written record of her daily business, though not necessarily classified or juicy stuff,	TwilightGardener	Mar 2015	#49
All that stuff was archived.	KMOD	Mar 2015	#52
They finally "gave a sh*t" because they updated recommendations due to advances	KMOD	Mar 2015	#25
"Archiving" in email lingo, is different from "backing up"	newthinking	Mar 2015	#48
I don't think that's the same as 'archiving' in Federal records lingo though.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Mar 2015	#58
Maybe the NSA has all these e-mails. Has anyone asked whether the NSA	JDPriestly	Mar 2015	#50
Or how about the CIA? They were caught red handed spying on senators.	Rex	Mar 2015	#61
it's kind of sad...	sendero	Mar 2015	#62

Response to morningfog (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:16 AM

madville (7,194 posts)

1. So almost none of the emails she sent to state.gov addresses

were saved? That certainly blows a big hole in her explanation that they were being archived on the State Departments end.

I doubt she knew they weren't being saved, she's probably just not aware of how the systems actually work.

My main wonder is how did her people prepare her remarks the other day probably knowing that this was the case all along? Not really her fault though, she has to go with what her aides and advisers tell her.

Most Official Emails Were Not Auto-Archived Until February (2015), Says State Department Official

1. So almost none of the emails she sent to state.gov addresses

4. and most people aren't, it is assumed that their system personal are handling such things

54. What kills me is that they 'lacked the ability' all this time.

59. I suspect it just isn't the state department either.

68. It's not just the State Department. According to the NYTimes article,

5. She spoke with great certainty on this point, though.

69. Why do you say she couldn't have known? Everybody here has been assuming

71. Well, she couldn't have known because it isn't true.

12. "I doubt she knew they weren't being saved,

55. I'm no fan of HRC, but I'd actually agree with that part.

15. It blows a hole in the idea that she was the exception instead of the rule. n/t

18. No.

21. The .gov emails were not saved. Not until last month.

23. Yes, they were.

30. Read the article. Dot gov emails were not retained automatically until last month.

34. No. .gov of "senior officials" were not retained automatically until last month.

38. You have it ass backwards. They started with automatically retaining the Secretary's when Kerry

41. No. Everyone Hillary Clinton, etc. received, or sent an email to

60. You still have it wrong:

63. No, once again, John Kerry is the first Sec of State to use a .gov account.

66. You are not reading accurately, or you are just not reading.

72. What is confusing you?

73. Just keep digging!

75. What?

79. If I gotta tell ya....

80. You are not making any sense, at least to me, at all.

81. Sir...

82. First, I'm a woman.

83. Woman, man, or something else.

84. lol

85. But you can't make them comprehend or think.

86. Exactly.

74. The only thing confusing me is your willful ignorance. I don't get it.

76. Oh my goodness,

77. Got it. Everyone is wrong except Hillary.

78. What?

87. Oh lookie here, you can all put your money where you mouths are.

88. Iverglas? Is that you?

89. When will I be loved?

44. what about the FOIA, wasn't that there all along for extracting records?

56. The key word up above was 'automatically'.

53. You need to catch up on yesterday's news

67. It also blows a hole in the theory that it would have been better if she had used

2. Doesn't the department's technical ineptitude reflect badly on her leadership?

10. Just a preview of what can be expected

16. Kerry has been the head of the State Department for over two years now.

27. Apparently they're finally making some rather slow progress.

33. You have to parse Hillary's words carefully. She said she did not SEND any classified information.

42. It really doesn't matter.

36. Now that it's become an issue.

47. Because in the current culture of security every blessed thing is restricted information.

19. all Federal agencies have been lacking with regards to recent technology.

29. State is widely regarded to be bringing up the rear.

37. Clinton followed all State protocol. Above and beyond.

45. That's demonstrably untrue.

46. Bullshit

70. The NYTimes says HHS still doesn't archive and that numerous other agencies

57. I'm beginning to think we need to start GoFundMe pages, or Kickstarter accounts

64. lol at the GoFundMe pages

65. I'm not even a security guy

3. Why are we still talking about this?

8. If it had no legs, it would have no legs. This is long from over.

20. It has no legs, no arms, no body, no nothing.

6. So by having her own email Clinton did good?

7. Lol. So she says.

9. I believe her.

11. Our system of government does not work on trust. It works on transparncy, accountablility

22. Just what do you imagine she sent via email?

26. I doubt she sent anything scandalous or neferious, but we will never know.

32. This is so incredibly silly.

51. Heh. That's a lie we tell ourselves.

13. Hey, I believe all politicians, Rep, Dem, US or other, but what does that get me?

31. Well, none would have been kept if she used state.gov, right?

35. That has never been my issue.

40. Another point. The .gov emails are still in the State server, even if not automatically retained.

14. Odd that they would auto-archive Kerry's emails the day he started, but there was no thought

17. Why didn't they start archiving ALL the emails of the whole department

24. It's extremely inconsistent and strange. Hillary operated under entirely different

28. They updated protocol. Big freakin' whoop.