Why we call this the "Underground"

[RobertEarl]

When the election of 2000 was stolen
and the establishment Dems looked
the other way, there arose from the ashes
this forum of like minded souls whom,
in pursuit of Truth, Justice, and the
American way, did gather to resist.

We were the Underground Democrats who
resisted the establishment that decided
that democracy, as we knew it, was dead.
They tried to kill our democracy with stolen votes,
their corrupted SCOTUS, and a congress that shirked its duty.

Our resistance lives in the desire for more democracy;
not less democracy. More democracy means more openness.
It means decisions made become available to be examined by the People.

The political establishment spends billions on
keeping the People from knowing the Truth to
keep them from rising up and overcoming. DU overcomes.

The members here are citizens who stood against the bush onslaught and bravely expressed their desire for more democracy in the face of the democracy killing moves by the mainstream political establishment.

It was a wild and wonderful time. It is the basis for what we have today.

[Anansi1171]

1. K&R!!!-nt

[BainsBane]

2. At least the internal enemy part is edited out

Since the first version was locked, you didn't have much of a choice.

[RobertEarl]

4. We have drawn a lot of interest

Much of that interest is from democracy crushing, enemies of democracy.

Everyone is free to sign up here and it could be some here are not really democratic types? That's why MIRT exists and what spirits some conversations.

I think we have not lost our way, but may be a wee-bit polluted?

[BainsBane]

26. What is it you do or post that is so progressive or leftist?

I must have missed it, and looking through your journal doesn't exactly help.

[Katashi_itto]

5. Results are in

Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Why this space is called "Underground"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026347091

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

You can decide for yourself which force you wish to be aligned with for there are but two. Are you shitting me? This is DIVISIVE META if I've ever seen it--you're either with me, or agin' me? You're either a "good Underground" member, or a troll-corporate tool? The damn "rules" (now they're TOS but they were "rules" in the old DUs) ALWAYS said our main goal was to elect more DEMOCRATS and fewer Republicans to public office--it didn't say you had to be supportive of candidates who won't win, or far, far left candidates, or libertarians, or Paulbots. The idea here is to "vote for Democrats" (per the TOS) --not divide people into "good" and "bad" Democrats. This is just not a good thread. More divide-and-conquer bullshit.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:12 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I think it was fine until the 'Dear Leaders' rant.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Divisive, derisive, and poorly written--not that the "poorly written" resulted in this hide vote. That many of us are disgusted with our politics du jour is a worthy topic. That this is DEMOCRATIC Underground means that this author (and the 40 members who recommended this OP) might find more creative ways to address the wealth-driven corruption of our political process without derogating our democratic ideals.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Turd way Alerter.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well several posts implying DU'ers were like freepers were allowed to stand over the last week so it appears "divisive meta" stuff is ok here, at least during the primary season.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is reserved in tone and I think actually describes the beliefs of a number of DUers. It's not, to my ear, divisive. The alerter is more divisive than the OP.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[TheKentuckian]

7. Hey Jurist #2, who was being derogatory toward Democratic ideals?

Are we using the same dictionary? What is it that you mean?

[Enthusiast]

17. +1 an entire shit load.

[JaneyVee]

11. That alert is for this OP?

Alerters comments appear to have nothing to do with this OP.

[Katashi_itto]

12. It was for another that had almost the same name, my mistake

[99th_Monkey]

16. Wowie Zowie! How very revealing & relevant to the OP. Well played. -nt-

[Hekate]

24. Juror #5 uses the term "Turd Way"? No bias there, I guess.

Maybe we should all take up that term! Nobody knows what it means anymore, just that it's insulting.

[Electric Monk]

8. As pointed out in your identical thread posted last night

before it was locked...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026347091

Member since: Wed Dec 14, 2011, 04:53 PM

[RobertEarl]

28. Identical?

If you mean identical in that it used the identical alphabet, then you are correct.

But otherwise, no, not identical. The locked thread also had many more recs.

[Electric Monk]

29. The first two paragraphs were identical. Having read the first OP, I stopped reading the 2nd there.

Good enough of an excuse for you to give it another kick, though, eh, to pick this nit?

[RobertEarl]

30. Sure thing

And thanks for the kicks.

I really liked the first one better, but since a few (redacted) didn't like it, but lots of DUers did, something like 10 to 1 ratio, I thought readers were entitled to at least a chance to reply again, as you have, and be able to give it another huge thumbs up!!

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

9. Right on!

[rock]

10. Take note: we are the DEMOCRATIC underground

Our methods are those of a Democracy, i.e. GOTV, campaigning, etc. All peaceful, legal means of getting our candidates elected. When the repiggies are displeased the results of doing things Democratically they invariably (OK, first thing) resort to fascism, sedition, subversion and here recently: treason.

[zappaman]

14. Thank you for creating this website!

[Hekate]

25. As I said last night on the original thread: RobertEarl is not EarlG. He's not a founder.

Not disagreeing with your right to agree, but just thought that should be cleared up.

[WillyT]

15. Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[G_j]

18. K&R!

[Rex]

19. What was your username back on DU1?

Just curious since your profile says 2011.

[zappaman]

21. Be Free to take a guess.

[hrmjustin]

20. We also call this Democratic to support Democratic candidates.

I joined DU in 2001 to talk to and debate with Democrats. I came back in 2012 to stand with Democrats to support our President.

DU is many things to many people but to me it is home.

[TheKentuckian]

22. That's fine, all the complaints about being outside the mainstream are both lame and redundant.

Expecting establishment orientation seems to damn near miss the point as much as expecting another party to be the focus.

Not quite obviously but if not the ballpark the same congressional district at least.

[RobertEarl]

27. Democratic?

Hell yeah.

So I am not the only one who changed names and came back with a different moniker.

I've lived around teabaggers my whole life and that has made me tough and mean when it comes to politics. I am about the most liberal and democracy supporting person I have ever known and bear that label proudly. My history on DU demanding truth justice and the American way speak volumes.

Thanks for the reply and kick, hrm.

[RobertEarl]

31. DU's first year

I started reading DU about June of 2001. This is what I remember reading.

First, of course, was about the stolen election. Then there grew and grew a sense that we could become powerful and teach others. Through the summer we blasted bush/cheney, demanding impeachment, and then:

September 11.

All hell broke loose on DU, as you can imagine. The non-mainstream reports came flying out on DU, and told a story very much unlike that on the nightly news; bush knew.

Suddenly there was the Patriot Act, and we all felt threatened.

News about Anthrax became our next concern.

Then came the invasion of Afghanistan.

What is happening these days pales in comparison to the battles we waged on DU in those days just to hold on to our sanity as the bush regime plowed ahead.

Al Gore later said something like this: We had to off load one disaster just to make room for each new disaster coming our way.