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Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:32 AM

Can someone tell me the saga of the poster known as "Better Believe It"

I read that he was a right wing troll who was masquerading as a progressive, was exposed, and consequently banned.


When did he out himself ?

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pintobean Mar 2015 #43
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Agschmid Mar 2015 #39
stevenleser Mar 2015 #45
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Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #104
stevenleser Mar 2015 #117
Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #132
Rex Mar 2015 #148
one_voice Mar 2015 #53
joshcryer Mar 2015 #118
Sheepshank Mar 2015 #41
Number23 Mar 2015 #153
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RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #94
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msanthrope Mar 2015 #38
stevenleser Mar 2015 #42
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:41 AM

1. Long time troll, stayed on the fence as much as possible, but finally went too far.

 

As they all do. And was extirpated by the admins.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:49 AM

2. I wonder how I missed that./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:53 AM

3. I lose track of time. Was it 2 years ago? 3? Maybe you were on hiatus from DU then?

 

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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:58 AM

6. As you can see I have a ton of posts but they come in bunches

The latest Clinton kerfuffle and the concomitant attacks from all quarters has woken me up.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:00 AM

8. Or maybe YOU are Better Believe It come back from the grave!

 

Curious how we never saw posts from you and BBI at the same time. Makes me wonder...
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Response to randome (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:09 AM

12. I don't remember him all that much or at all...He's green* . I'm blue,






*pretends to be green

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Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:11 AM

13. +1

Especially the part about quite popular colleagues.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:21 AM

17. Looks like some of the colleagues got upset. Thin-skinned lot, eh? nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:33 AM

22. Jury decisions never surprise me any more

They're often shameful, though.
Thanks for the reply; I probably would have missed that.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:50 AM

29. Note the alerter used the same message that Skinner used to shitcan

 

BBI...see below thread....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:56 AM

31. Yeah, that is weird. /nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:42 AM

26. Here are the jury results

I was juror #4


AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:56 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Unfortunately his colleagues remain behind on DU posting RW links/memes, trying to divide Democrats,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6347875

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Enough is enough.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:12 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Enough is enough isn't an argument for a hide. I'm not in agreement with the poster and think paranoia strikes deep to the point that disagreement and differences are enmity in their eyes but there is nothing personal in the post and no rationale of note from the alerter.
TheKentuckian
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post is disruptive
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: As long as names are not being called out, I don't see the problem. We have people being disrespected left and right for their beliefs without hides. Certainly not going to vote to hide this. 
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Enough. There are many, valid viewpoints in the DEMOCRATIC, not DICTATOR Party.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:46 AM

27. That alerter openly mocked Skinner.....that alert message is exactly

 

what he wrote when he shitcanned BBI......

I wonder if the Hide jurors knew.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:57 AM

33. I don't know

But I do know that people are accused of alerting and/or voting to hide based on the beliefs or side they are perceived to be on. It just isn't the reality.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #33)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:14 AM

43. That is a reality.

Not all alerters and not all jurors, but it most definitely happens with some of both.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:00 AM

35. I don't know if that was meant to mock.

Regardless, if it's not a personal attack with names or very obvious inference, I won't hide.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:06 AM

39. Mocked... or *was*...

We will never know.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:16 AM

45. Yeah, I didn't want to say it. Some folks are clearly looking for a reason to alert...

 

but I was thinking the same thing.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:11 AM

40. Yes, admins should look into that alerter. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:58 PM

104. That's kind of creepy, stevenleser.

 

By all means, let's have an investigation because some made an alert you didn't like.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #104)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:19 PM

117. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 



Creepy<>"That sounds like a troll"

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:22 PM

132. Alerts and jury decisions are anonymous to us, but not to them.

I think some people sometimes forget that.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #132)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:33 PM

148. LOL!

 

Rah ROH!

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:25 AM

53. Wonder if the alerter knows Skinner/admin

sees all the alerts/jury results.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:19 PM

118. Definitely a troll alert.

Must have made their day when the jury fell for it.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:12 AM

41. the "hide" on the post is as stupid as it gets lately

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:46 PM

153. Exactly. That post was not even close to personal attack. But obviously some hit dogs hollered

anyway.

This place has somehow gotten even more ridiculous lately.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:37 PM

150. The Protectorate!!! Oh God, the PROTECTORATE!!!!

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:08 PM

94. Interesting. So posting something from Matt Rothschild and the Progressive makes you a RW troll??

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:15 PM

113. No, posting something from The Weekly Standard, Avik Roy and Tim Carney make you a RW troll...

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:06 PM

123. And to add to the other reply to you, completely mischaracterizing what the President said in order

 

to attack him, makes you a troll.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #123)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:16 PM

124. Haha. And a flack is just a troll with a pay stub. n/t

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #124)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:28 PM

126. Could be. nt

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:57 AM

5. Seriously? So that so-called "true progressive" self-righteous pisswipe

was a troll all along?

I fucking KNEW it. The number of times he put me down for daring to support Democrats for straying outside of Green Party orthodoxy...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:59 AM

7. Purity troll who would cite The Weekly Standard to

 

attack Obama.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:02 AM

10. My "favorite" was Seventh Son who said the CIA gave Jamaican men man boobs.

He flamed out in a spectacular way on Election Eve 2004 when he started to PM DU gay members wishing they get HIV.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:26 AM

54. YES! He was my favorite too!

He did flame out spectacularly.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:19 PM

168. well. I sure missed the festivities!

Why do I always miss the good stuff? Want some moments.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #168)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:45 PM

173. He flamed out four years before you arrived./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #173)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:31 PM

174. I was on earlier...

Used to be FizzFuzz.

Dat a long time ago. Before the meds.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:30 AM

21. Talk about a dead giveaway.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:02 AM

9. We still have quiet a few right wing trolls here IMO

and I'm sure they'll be outed sooner or later but the damage some can do in the mean time is terrible. We've lost good solid Democratic members because of some of them too. I trust the system here to take care of things though. I use the ignore function as I find them myself. From time to time I'll clean out my ignore list in case I've made a mistake or whatever but for the most part I know the smell of shit real well so I've not made many mistakes on that front though.

I have a neighbor who claims to be a democrat but I know thats not true by what he talks about and what he sends me, no matter what he prefaces some of it with trying to throw me off. neighbor so gotta live with so I hold my nose and prod on.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:07 AM

11. He was a ratfucking troll(s) who posted more and more far out pieces

 

until it finally got him shitcanned.

Since then, I and a few other posters routinely write "You Better Believe It" when we see a like thread.

Here's a fun game.....if you look at BBIs last thread.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002677848#post18

Read for Sid's excellent links to some of the worst threads......

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:12 AM

14. I think I remember him

As I said I post in bunches when certain issues pique my interest...The repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" was one of them. He was the clown that said it really wasn't really repealed because it would take some time for it to be implemented.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:14 AM

15. Here is Skinner, in prime form.....but the whole thread,

 

..is priceless....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002451396

Skinner took out the trash....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:33 AM

23. A glance at who rec'ed that piece is... interesting. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:56 AM

32. Yeah. Because I'm against wars without end for profits without cease.

Aren't you?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:01 AM

36. No, you rec'ed a crazy attack on the President that even had Skinner, who stays out of

 

most arguments, commenting as nicely as he could put it that the article doesn't say what BBI suggested that it said.

And, that OP among others finally led Skinner to say "Enough is enough" and tombstone BBI.

But you recommended it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:17 AM

48. What's crazy is supporting wars without end for profits without cease.

If you can't see that, you've got a problem.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:20 AM

49. All the good intentions in the world are no reason to recommend a crazy and dishonest OP.

 

And you are doubling down on that recommendation here.

I love puppies and kittens too. And that is no reason to recommend a crazy and dishonest OP.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:31 AM

57. Doubling down to you?

Who cares?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #57)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:36 AM

61. Nope, this is a forum. Everyone can see it. It's not a private discussion between you and I.

 

I don't care what you think either.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #61)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:41 AM

69. Which is what makes it interesting.

Do your contentions stack up against mine? Do ours against others'?

I'll take mine.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:53 PM

176. Do my contentions stand up against yours? Well I don't quote antisemites for backup

 

As you have repeatedly done and did it again down thread.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:55 PM

109. You've mischaracterized Skinner's comment.

 

He didn't comment "that the article doesn't say what BBI suggested that it said." After all, BBI's subject line was, as he explained, a verbatim quotation from the linked article (and it wasn't taken out of context).

Skinner's point was that the Obama executive order that was the subject of the linked article didn't say what the linked article said it said.

The difference is important because, as BBI pointed out in replies in that thread, the linked article was from The Progressive, not from some right-wing source.

What emerged from the thread (or at least from my skimming of it) was that Obama was largely continuing a policy of previous Presidents, not instituting something new; that the take on it in The Progressive was an overstatement; but that some DUers thought this would have been a ripe area for some "hope and change" in lieu of largely continuing a previous policy. This is certainly a legitimate debate for progressives to have.

I haven't examined any of the rest of BBI's oeuvre. That particular thread doesn't seem troublesome, unless any criticism of Obama (or, shall we say, some other centrist Democrat) is deemed to be unacceptable because it might indirectly help a Republican.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #109)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:04 PM

115. No, I may not have worded it elegantly, but the point is Skinner said it didnt say what BBI said it

 

did. Skinner was very gentle about how he said it, but that is clearly the upshot.

Yet 31 people rec'ed it anyway, because they liked that it was an attack on the President, no matter how unsupported that attack was.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #109)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:24 PM

125. He pointed out willful distortion on the OP's part

He used a colon after "Obama's creepy executive order' and before the quote. A colon is equivalent to an equals sign. BBI wrote the title to say that the quote was in the EO. That is what that caption means according to the rules of English grammar. Clearly it was deceptive, but since he was a right-wing troll that is hardly surprising.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #125)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:37 AM

181. I don't agree with that interpretation

 

The quotation marks mean that the DUer making the post was quoting something else -- which was true. It's not at all uncommon for a post to quote verbatim from a linked article, which is what BBI did.

When there's a linked article about an executive order, a verbatim quotation might come from the order or from the article. Here, instead of trying to pack a lot meaning into a colon, it's useful to consider the overall context (the argument the Obama administration has advanced, correctly, in asking the Supreme Court to interpret the ACA to allow the federal subsidies). The context is that the material in quotation marks is "Putting the economy on a permanent war footing". How many people would read that and think that Obama signed an order that contained those words? Even if an order actually did that, no politician would say so.

Continuing my intrepid interpretation, I take Skinner's "Enough is enough" to mean that this post, by itself, would probably not have meant a PPR, but that it was the last straw. Cumulative impact is certainly something the admins should consider in making these decisions. I haven't bothered to look at other BBI posts so I'm neither supporting nor condemning the PPR decision.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:03 AM

38. Check out the jury hide abovethread....the alerter used the same

 

language Skinner used to ppr BBI....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:12 AM

42. I don't think the chance that is coincidence is very high. Admins should look into that alert.

 

Dare I say, "Better Believe it"?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:22 AM

50. Before I clicked on the list of reccers, I made a mental list of who is likely to be named there

 

...I was not disappointed.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:53 AM

79. Yep. It begins to explain a lot, doesn't it? nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #79)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:51 PM

103. explanation only in part...mostly a confirmation n/t

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:28 AM

55. A belief that people here only rec OPs that they agree with is......interesting.

 

I rec OPs if I feel that they deserve attention, whether I agree with them or not.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:34 AM

60. Except I didn't make that contention, did I? nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #60)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:41 AM

67. No you made your contention to denigrate those who supported the OP.

Guilt by association is a tool of the propagandist.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:49 AM

76. Nope, I made no such comment. You find it embarrassing because it is, not because of what I wrote.nt

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:10 PM

111. I do the same thing

There are a lot of over the top amusing to me posts that I vehemently disagree with but rec anyway.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:21 PM

136. I do that, as well.

I recommend a lot of posts that I don't necessarily agree with 100%.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #136)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:23 PM

139. Ooooh, now you are on some LISTS! Or in a slam book. Or something.

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #139)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:24 PM

141. Probably.

I don't really care. I know who my friends are.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:25 PM

99. I'll vouch for Octafish, a very informed poster here.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:07 PM

167. I guess I didn't see that one --an epic post-- and nice work by you msanthrope.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #167)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 09:42 AM

182. I thank you for the compliment. ...that thread was fun. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:31 PM

128. Too bad getting shitcanned for right-wing trollery only seems to happen in GD / LBN

 

I could think of at least two neighborhoods that could use a little street-sweeping in that regard.

Is The daily Caller an acceptable source on DU?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #128)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:22 PM

137. No--and I'd mock anybody who cited Tucker Carlson's rag into the ground. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:56 PM

156. Read also for the simpletons having the time of their lives yukking it up in that thread

in actual AGREEMENT with the OP.

Oh, I love the Internet. Just noticed DevonRex in that thread. Haven't seen her in a very long time.

And just noticed the comment from RowdyBoy at the end. I always liked him.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #156)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:22 PM

163. And the recs.....and what a bullshit hide above us. I miss Rowdyboy. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:46 AM

179. There's one I'd like to get noticed on

Shoveling out GoP talking points against SSI (same ones that can be expanded to Social Security and other "entitlements". But since this isn't a central issue for most people here, it seems like they are flying under the radar so far.

Ps. Yes, I have attempted to report to admins with detailed explanation/links.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:18 AM

16. There's a clique here that actually attempts to paint DUers

 

they don't like with the suspicion of being right-wingers by repeating the name/phrase "Better Believe It" when referring to said DUers. Just do a DU search and you'll see who they are and how they do it.

Indeed, I won't be surprised when one or more respond to this post with some sort of smart ass comment.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:25 AM

18. Actually...if you run my username against some well-known banned trolls,

 

like dkf, Hannah Bell, HiPointDem, ElJohns, and few others, you'll see that at least my usage has turned out to be pretty prophetic.....

But I'm no Sid, or zappaman.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:02 AM

37. I don't see Msanthrope in that thread at all

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:15 AM

44. No, but msanthrope's chums SidDithers and zappaman found much in common with SDuderstadt.

...who did much to advance the right wing POV on DU.

Need a link?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:17 AM

47. By all means, provide links. This should be good.

 

- because I'm betting the links do not connote what you are alleging they do

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Response to Post removed (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:40 AM

66. Just as I expected, first one off the bat doesnt say what you imply it says.

 

In your first link:



Zappaman and SDuderstadt never reply to each other once. So your accusation is debunked immediately on that one. On to the next...

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #66)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:43 AM

72. Seeing how you asked for examples...

...The Tag Team approach is vintage Bullying.

You'll notice I have not engaged in that Tag Team approach to DU.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:45 AM

73. Its a forum. Anyone can respond to you on any comment. That doesnt make it tag team. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:48 AM

74. Right. Like pointing out who recced a post by a DUer.

Oh look! They must be freepers.

Sounds kind of asinine, but what do I know about asinine?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:50 AM

78. Hey, I know you are embarrassed by your rec and you should be. That's not my fault. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #78)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:04 PM

88. Where am I embarrassed? Your imagination?

I stand in my opposition to wars without end for profits without cease.



War Is Sell - Washington Elite Benefits from War

Christopher Bollyn
October 31, 2001

War has always been a profitable money machine for shrewd investors with foresight, but the extremely close connections of the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based private equity investment firm and major war profiteer, to the Bush and Bin Laden families raise unavoidable questions of waging war for profit.

Established in 1987 the Carlyle Group was founded by David Rubenstein, a former staff member in the Jimmy Carter White House, and his two partners, Dan D'Aniello and Bill Conway. Today there are 18 partners in the firm and one outside investor. The Washington Post has described Carlyle as a "merchant banking firm" set up "to serve corporations and wealthy families." From the beginning the founders of Carlyle have recruited former politicians as consultants: former President George H. W. Bush is among them, along with a host of other Bush family cronies.

The Bush connection to the Carlyle Group is nothing short of a scandal, according to Larry Klayman, a notable government watchdog best known for pursuing the scandals of former President Bill Clinton. Now that the United States is bombing Afghanistan and allocating huge sums of money for defense, including $40 billion for the "war on terrorism" and more than $200 billion for the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the conflict of interest is "direct," Klayman says. "President Bush should not ask but demand that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group." Carlyle owns many of the companies that will share in the $200 billion JSF deal.

"Carlyle is as deeply wired into the current administration (Bush II) as they can possibly be," Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, said. "George Bush is getting money from private interests that have business before the government, while his son is president. And, in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments. The average American doesn't know that. To me, that's a jaw-dropper."

CONTINUED...

http://www.bollyn.com/war-is-sell-washington-elite-benefits-from-war



Do you ever wonder about that, stevenleser?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #88)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:03 PM

129. Christopher Bollyn is another anti-Semite...

I know you won't be able to reply, because you're locked out of the thread, but you should be aware that Christopher Bollyn is an anti-Semitic piece of shit.

http://blog.adl.org/anti-semitism/christopher-bollyn-september-11-anti-semitism-2

Bol­lyn has focused most of his research on 9–11 and has con­tin­ued to make the claim that the ter­ror­ist attacks were orches­trated by Israel and the Jews. In Bollyn’s 2012 book, Solv­ing 9–11: The Decep­tion that Changed the World, he writes, “The ‘false flag’ ter­ror­ism of 9–11 is a mon­strous Jewish-Zionist crime of our time. The true cul­prits of this heinous crime are clearly being pro­tected by a gang of like-minded Jew­ish Zion­ists in the high­est posi­tions of the U.S. government….”


It's that propensity thing again, eh?

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #129)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:19 PM

131. Oh dear ZOG.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #129)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:45 PM

134. Another one?

It's disturbing how many anti-Semites get cited on DU.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #88)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:29 PM

175. What I "wonder" is how someone ends up quoting and rec'ing so many trolls and antisemites

 

As Zappaman noted you quoted yet another antisemite here. We can add this to Paul Craig Roberts and the rest of the antisemites you have quoted in the past.

Assuming you aren't an antisemite, and I am completely willing to assume that, what does it say for any particular sub-philosophy of Liberalism or Progressivism you purport to espouse that so many of the leaders of that sub-philosophy that you quote for backup or recommend are antisemites, trolls and crackpots?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #74)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:56 AM

81. my chemtrails are lacking the radiation my garden will need

 

who shall I call?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #81)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:01 PM

84. snooper2! The poster who got me to go to Duquesne!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #84)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:02 PM

87. no prob...what I'm here for

 

LOL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:05 PM

90. No kidding.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024158313#post18



What an odd thing for a Democrat to say.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:49 AM

75. And in the second and third links, it also doesnt indicate what you imply.

 

In a massive thread with over 400 comments including dozens by you and zappaman


the only interaction between Zappaman and SDuderstadt is this:

zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #384
385. Lay off Octafish, dude
He just needs a little more time...

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:58 PM
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386. Do you think he needs another...
47 years?
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:06 PM
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387. well...
most CTers will tell you that this case won't be solved "in their lifetime", so we shouldn't hold our breaths.
but our great grandchildren will one day look back and call Octafish..."hero".
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 01:12 PM
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388. You mean like the...
sandwich?

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Wow, that's some collaboration there Octafish! You've solved a conspiracy of epic proportions!

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:59 AM

83. Like I'm going to post their PMs, stevenleser?

Don't you need some kind of Host authority to do that?

My point is they have a similarity in purpose: Shutting down discussion of crimes of the national security state.

For your enjoyment, a sample of my PM's with SDuderstadt:

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Response to Octafish (Reply #83)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:29 PM

120. PMs from one to you means nothing. And finally your fourth link above, which I have to

 

respond to here because it was hidden, only has posts from Zappaman, so, implying that this fourth link proves collaboration between Zappaman and a banned DUer who didn't even post in that thread is, to put it succinctly, bunk.

I don't know why your post was hidden, but your contentions have certainly been disproven.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #120)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:33 PM

121. I have never sent him a PM.

Possibly he is confused.
And I could care less if someone else did.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #121)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:42 PM

122. He seems to believe any disagreement with him constitutes a right wing conspiracy.

 

And if this is alerted, jurors please see the entirety of this thread and the thread below this one, which includes accusations by the poster in question that resulted in a hidden post and which I systematically debunked and which include others who also see that this person seems to equate disagreement with him as being right wing.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:22 AM

51. You want me to go back through posts from years ago

To see that some people here agreed with someone, who I'm guessing by your response above was PPR'd as a troll? No thanks. I've seen plenty of trolls PPR'd in the time I've been here and have a pretty good sense of who appreciated them. I'm really not interested in y'all's ancient grudges.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:54 AM

80. +1000

I wish everyone would be more concerned with the subject of post they're replying to than the people rec'ing.

This look who did this, look who rec'd that, scoreboard is high school.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #80)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:32 AM

178. Its playing, "stat boy," like they do with polling statistics.

I'm immune to all that commissar stuff. I think going back years to research posters and their polling habits etc must be a thankless job. There is an intangible hostility to all of it I find hard to describe.

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Response to nilesobek (Reply #178)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 07:51 AM

180. Pretty good description. n/t

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Response to Octafish (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:30 AM

56. How exactly do Sid and zappaman work to "advance the right wing POV on DU"?

 

And no, not liking your OPs is not an answer.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:32 AM

58. Denigrating those who point out the right wing POV.

Doesn't GOOGLE show that for you?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:33 AM

59. Again, not liking your OPs doesn't count.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #59)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:38 AM

64. You're a bright person, you figure it out.

Best of luck with that.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #64)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:41 AM

68. Yeah, you're not the arbiter of what's right wing or not around here.

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #68)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:42 AM

71. Never said I was.

But, you knew that.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:04 PM

89. Given the amount of times you've accused others of, what was it...

 

"trying to shut down discussion of crimes of the national security state", when they are, hypothetically, mocking laughable conspiracy theory bullshit, yeah, you've said as much.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #89)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:06 PM

92. Show where I post ''hypothetically, mocking laughable conspiracy theory bullshit''

Show where I've intentionally lied or presented information that was not true on DU, NuclearDem.

Go through my Journal on DU3 or DU2.

Show.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #92)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:10 PM

96. Wait, you're being serious?

 

Oh dear lord.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #96)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:31 PM

100. So, you can't show where I'm wrong.

Here are representatives of two families who have a long history of denigrating "Conspiratorial Thinking"...



Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush, sharing a moment and a bit o' information in this small world.



Rothschild and Freshfields founders’ had links to slavery, papers reveal

By Carola Hoyos
Financial Times

Two of the biggest names in the City of London had previously undisclosed links to slavery in the British colonies, documents seen by the Financial Times have revealed.

Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the banking family’s 19th-century patriarch, and James William Freshfield, founder of Freshfields, the top City law firm, benefited financially from slavery, records from the National Archives show, even though both have often been portrayed as opponents of slavery.

Far from being a matter of distant history, slavery remains a highly contentious issue in the US, where Rothschild and Freshfields are both active.

Companies alleged to have links to past slave injustices have come under pressure to make restitution.

JPMorgan, the investment bank, set up a $5m scholarship fund for black students studying in Louisiana after apologising in 2005 for the company’s historic links to slavery.

CONTINUED (with registration, etc) ...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c0f5014-628c-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0.html



The back of the object they are examining shows typing in a box, often used on official US government photos for identifying content on the front of a photograph.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #100)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:43 PM

102. Yeah, why would the Rothschilds have problems with conspiracy theories?

 

Other than being the target of every "Jewish banker" canard ever?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:26 PM

119. Yes, you have implied it constantly. Disagreeing with you=pro right wing. You've implied that again

 

and again.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #119)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 12:23 PM

184. Pro-right wing, pro-TEPCO, pro-national security state, pro-MIC.

 

The list goes on.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:38 AM

63. And in your world, that includes them denigrating BBI who it turns out was a right wing troll? nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:39 AM

65. Does that make sense to you?

Gosh.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #58)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:23 PM

98. Says the guy who called a banned anti-Semitic troll a "great DUer".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5888735

Fire Walk With Me was banned for being an anti-Semite. Hardly someone I would call a "great DUer".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=167827&sub=trans

Odd that you would refer to him that way well after he was banned.
Why you would do that, i cannot say.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:00 PM

105. Octa....I never claimed to be as good as Sid and Zappa....but they were correct. nt

 

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Response to Octafish (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:23 PM

140. Oh, man, I had forgotten all about that guy.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:42 AM

70. Actually, it seems to come up in response to a whole lot of people who are in good standing.

 

If you accuse everyone in the country of being a thief, you can't claim psychic powers when the police arrest a few thieves.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:26 AM

19. Purists and right wingers are mutually exclusive as used on this board.

There are definitely trolls on this board but I believe most folks here are honest about their political leanings.


That being said the safest thing to do on a left leaning or right leaning board is to stake out the furthest left and right wing positions as possible. That will make you uber popular. The Recommends attest to that.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:02 PM

85. In this context, what's a "Purist" ?

 

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Response to 2banon (Reply #85)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:06 PM

93. True believer./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #93)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:42 PM

101. Ok. so it's not intended as a sneer, put down, otherwise perjoratively?

 

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Response to 2banon (Reply #101)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:52 PM

108. No./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #108)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:39 PM

114. Ok. Taking your word with regard to intentions ..

 

please consider this merely as a friendly suggestion:

perhaps, it would serve you better to avoid using the term "purist", these days, because it is considered a sneer, a pejorative, condescending, and fairly offensive (among other things) when others use it on this board as well as in the public fora, more generally .. and those other people make it pretty clear as to their insulting/offensive intentions.





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Response to 2banon (Reply #114)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:55 PM

166. I'm lost again.

Which side is it that are the "purists" again? I can't keep up. I stay so totally confused on the latest insults and who they might be directed at nowadays.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:37 AM

25. That's your interpretation and spin. Another interpretation, which has more evidence, is to

 

look at this OP by BBI: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002451396 read it, read Skinner's comments about it and see who rec'ed this ridiculous spin by BBI and make one's own conclusions about the goals of those who recommended it who continue to post biased and slanted OPs and comments about the President to this day.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:46 AM

28. So, that I have seen numerous examples of DUers being tagged with

 

"you better believe it" is "interpretation and spin"?

You linked me to a BBI post, as if you think I don't know. It wasn't BBI that I was talking about. I was talking about the clique that tags other DUers with suspicion by using that phrase in response to something that is said. That is not "interpretation and spin". It's what has actually happened and what I have seen with my own eyes.

I'll read that thread, by the way. But it has nothing to do with what I said.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:53 AM

30. It has everything to do with what you said as I am sure most who read it and your comments will note

 

but I am interested to hear what you think after reading it.

The point is, Skinner banned BBI because he pretended to be an uber-progressive and proceeded to bash Obama from that contrived standpoint and utilized every possible smear from right wing media to do so. And there were many who enthusiastically responded to him as evidenced by comments and the recommendations to the OP I linked. Many of those who recced it are still engaging in similar behavior and in doing so are eliciting the response of "Better Believe It" to which you object.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:58 AM

82. There have been many trolls on this site who took on an opposite persona, too.

 

Do we really need to look up posts from banned trolls and compare the rec's in each? Do you really want to?

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Response to Marr (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:50 PM

135. I have to say

I find myself perplexed about how intelligent people are unable to recognize similar impostors. People seem so anxious to see their views confirmed, they don't discern how exaggerated and shallow troll content tends to be.

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Response to Marr (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:28 PM

142. I have no problem with comparing recs. That's part of the transparency of DU.

 

Let's make sure we are prepared to do nuance, however.

XYZ troll can join and post a comment that extols President Obama's position seeking an agreement with Iran. Many folks will Rec it. XYZ Troll gets banned later. Rec'ing that post is no big deal IMHO.

Rec'ing a post by XYZ Troll that is a dishonest attack on a Democrat and a blatant distortion of the facts, and then it comes out that XYZ troll was a right winger masquerading as a Democrat and his entire purpose at DU was to divide Democrats against each other and against elected Democrats? Well, that is embarrassing IMHO and SHOULD be embarrassing.

It's sad that I even have to say this, but I am sure as the day is long that some folks will try to make a dishonest comparison between rec's of banned DUers.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #142)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:21 PM

165. I doubt that either variety of troll employs more dishonest attacks or spurious arguments than the

 

other, nuanced or not.

The only difference is our personal biases. I think we're all guilty of binary thinking from time to time, and giving the people we perceive as being on 'our side' more leeway than they really should receive.

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Response to Marr (Reply #165)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:27 PM

170. The difference is that kind of troll is here to promote the GOP

to sow discord among Democrats to encourage disillusionment so Democrats don't vote and Republicans win. The difference is he and those like him are complete and total liars, not simply people who disagree about tactics, personalities, or issues. Good people can disagree on any number of issues, but when they are lying about their views, it makes a mockery of debate.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #170)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:36 PM

171. They're after the same things, no matter what persona they wear.

 

They want to get an emotional response and disrupt discussion, that's it.

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Response to Marr (Reply #171)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:41 PM

172. I think the BBI variety is more insidious

because really they are moles rather than trolls. Trolls-- like my racist, misogynistic, homophobic and anti-semitic admirer--come and go, and no one takes them seriously. This character was another story.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:35 PM

149. I think it's an appropiate joke.

If you do read the linked thread, you'll see that at the end of the thread Bobbie Jo debunked it (good job!) and that's what's funny....BBI would post OPs that were skeptical which I found pretty funny considering his/her user name.

Speaking of cliques, it's similar to ProSense being mocked for her blue links...although I gave those more credibility than the Believer's.

Criticize Obama all you want, but um yeah...enough WAS enough.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:20 PM

97. So that'ts what that phrase is about.

Most interesting bit on DU culture I've seen in quite a while.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:29 AM

20. Honestly

I think she's back for an encore performance.

Truly an insidious troll...

eta: the only 2 hides I ever had on this board were connected to dealing with this troll.

A couple of my favorite quotes regarding BBI:

"one of our most respected DU'ers."

"I can't decide whether you're a caricature or cliche'."

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:35 AM

24. BBI was inconvenient during the last presidential election cycle

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:17 AM

46. Someone whose influence on the obsessed here

is far outweighed by any actual influence he had.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:50 AM

77. Sometimes I like to check my Ignore list to see who's been tombstoned.

I see on it 3 former members with posting privileges revoked late 2014 or 2015 but with join dates of 2010, 2011, and early 2014. There may be more like that; I haven't checked all the names.

Sometimes I put people on Ignore just based on their name. You can tell when it's a snarky RWer using a cheesy leftie name.

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Response to valerief (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:02 PM

86. "You can tell when it's a snarky RWer using a cheesy leftie name."

Yes!! Methinks they doth protest too much.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:05 PM

91. So...we done here?

 

It's amazing how such an innocuous question has morphed into a thread with nearly a hundred replies now. Oh, well, maybe some politician will say something stupid pretty soon and then we'll have a new reason to argue.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:08 PM

95. BBI was someone with way too much support here for far too long.

 

Big fan of propaganda outlets like rt. BBI was in early on the rt game.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:03 PM

106. I thought BBI was actually Glenn Greewald.

 

Seriously. Didn't everyone know this?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:07 PM

107. BBI was also a big fan of the Chinese government

You can find many posts by them extolling the virtues of something they did, denigrating Tibet in general, and complaining that DU is anti-Chinese. Since they started posting here before Obama became president, that actually seemed to be their main schtick at first. It was only from 2009 that they changed into a machine for posting articles critical of Obama.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #107)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:42 PM

133. Oh man, I'd forgotten about that...

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #133)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:28 PM

143. OMG

I recognize that posting style in some of the pro-Putin threads.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:01 PM

110. LOL -- BBI

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:11 PM

112. Is this the same troll who was actually a moderator at one point?

back in my lurking days I remember some sort of kerfuffle about that

could be mistaken

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Response to GusBob (Reply #112)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:09 PM

116. No, I don't think so

Moderators were pretty suspicious of him from the start, and I don't think admin make controversial people mods (there was one several years ago who became controversial, but never as infamous as BBI).

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Response to GusBob (Reply #112)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:28 PM

127. graham4anything

was a host when banned from DU.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #127)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:12 PM

130. LoZoccolo too

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Response to pintobean (Reply #130)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:29 PM

144. LoZ told Skinner directly he was going to troll...

...slightly more honest than those pretending to contribute genuinely...

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #127)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:22 PM

138. He isn't a right-winger

His ban had to do with drama in the hosts group.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #138)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:30 PM

145. I was a host at the time

he was banned for being a troll.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #145)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:32 PM

146. Troll can mean a lot of things

He posts on DI, and he is clearly a Democrat.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #146)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:52 PM

154. Correct

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #138)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:33 PM

147. He may not have been a right-winger,

but he was annoying as hell.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #147)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:19 PM

162. Still can be.

He has no sense of moderation with his silly act. Some people thought he was Loz's sock/zombie.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #162)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:39 PM

164. I can understand how someone would think that.

Little different presentation, but same silliness.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:39 PM

151. Very interesting replies, thanks for this OP.

 

A good read.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:46 PM

152. Used to get hundreds of recs for constant anti-Dem, especially anti-Obama tirades. Sound familiar?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #152)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 06:55 PM

155. You better believe it!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #152)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:02 PM

157. Sounds familiar looks familiar feels familiar smells familiar...

It might have died but the cohorts keep pluggin' away.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #152)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:02 PM

158. Does it ever.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #152)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:09 PM

160. This thread...



I don't know what I love more. The folks outting themselves and their incredibly questionable sources before the entire community, that folks are seeing EXACTLY who had BBI's back around here and them being outted too, or the fact that attention is FINALLY being shone like a searchlight at the folks still crawling around here that do the EXACT SAME THING that got BBI shit canned after way too many years.

This thing is a thing of beauty. I may grind some pepper on this thread and have it for lunch.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #160)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:55 PM

185. Too funny!



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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:07 PM

159. One of the ones I did a happy dance to see gone

He was cagey, he'd link to a left wing site first and then cut and past trash from right wing sites below it.

I've seen that MO lately so I guess he's back under a new name. I don't bother alerting or commenting: could be him, could be some other recovering Republican, could be a new ratfucker.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 07:14 PM

161. One of many who was on my ignore list

Probably about 1/2 of my list were eventually PPRd. Fire Walk With Me was another whipper snapper that was tombstoned.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #161)

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:22 PM

169. Some have called that poster a "great DUer"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5888735

Fire Walk With Me was banned for being an anti-Semite. Hardly someone I would call a "great DUer".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=167827&sub=trans

Different strokes for different folks I suppose...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 01:16 AM

177. The scores of RW trolls posing as centrist Democrats who have been banned

from DU are so much more fun to discuss.

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