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You know that those two "apologizing" former OU students said that weren't racist, right? (Original Post) MrScorpio Mar 2015 OP
Give 'em a break. They are merely institutional racist. morningfog Mar 2015 #1
What they they're doing in those so called apologies is denying their own inherent individual racism MrScorpio Mar 2015 #2
Agreed 100 percent. morningfog Mar 2015 #3
I dunno, Scorpio.... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #13
They are still not employable in the normal world Generic Brad Mar 2015 #4
He's probably got an open, under the table invitation to work at Breitbart or FOX... MrScorpio Mar 2015 #5
For sure, the one posing in front of daddy's AMG Mercedes will have access bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #12
Most practicing racists *are* self aware, however..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #14
I seriously doubt if there was anything "casual" about their racist behavior MrScorpio Mar 2015 #18
You misunderstood what I wrote. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #19
Strange statement . . . YarnAddict Mar 2015 #6
You can hire them Generic Brad Mar 2015 #9
If I had a business in Oklahoma... BeanMusical Mar 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #15
Well.... Robert Byrd was a senior officer in the KKK, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #17
Now, now. HappyMe Mar 2015 #7
Which ones apologized? cwydro Mar 2015 #8
It's not racism... Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #10
No no no!!! Its all the rappers fault!!! /sarcasm uponit7771 Mar 2015 #16
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. Give 'em a break. They are merely institutional racist.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 10:26 PM
Mar 2015

Not like full on ACTUAL racists. I mean, they apologized when they started to get their asses handed to them for being racist. No ACTUAL racist would do that.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
2. What they they're doing in those so called apologies is denying their own inherent individual racism
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 10:32 PM
Mar 2015

The idea that they can chant racist epithets and then claim that they're not racist is both dishonest and an oxymoron.

They can't even SEE their own racism, quite simply because opposing anti-blackness is not their struggle. The denial is a pure exercise of their own white privilege and support for white supremacy.

Basically, I'm calling those apologies "bullshit."

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
13. I dunno, Scorpio....
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:42 PM
Mar 2015

I'd bet pretty much anything that at least *some* of these guys knew *full well* that they were being racist, and only "apologized" to try to avoid embarrassment.....I think you unintentionally gave these guys a little too much of a break(as those few people out there genuinely unaware of their racism tend to be pretty pitiable, by and large).

(P.S. "opposing anti-blackness", however, assuming you are referring to active anti-racism work, doesn't really have much to do with anything, as being non-racist does not require one to be part of the anti-racism movement.)

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
4. They are still not employable in the normal world
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 10:36 PM
Mar 2015

Crocodile tears only because they realize their actions had negative consequences. This was not a youthful indiscretion. It was willful, venomous hate.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
5. He's probably got an open, under the table invitation to work at Breitbart or FOX...
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 10:43 PM
Mar 2015

I'm quite sure that his connections will try to help him out once this story blows over.

So, do I expect him to face that fact that he's a practicing racist? Not in the least. I'm sure that he's not that self-aware.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
12. For sure, the one posing in front of daddy's AMG Mercedes will have access
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:21 PM
Mar 2015

to all kinds of valuable connections in terms of his future employment.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
14. Most practicing racists *are* self aware, however.....
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:47 PM
Mar 2015

Which is a huge part of the problem; practicing racists are so much more inculcated with hate, fear, distrust, etc. of the "other", than the casual racist who was usually just raised in an ignorant manner.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
18. I seriously doubt if there was anything "casual" about their racist behavior
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:04 PM
Mar 2015

We're talking about a frat here… And it's quite clear that the members of this particular chapter took it upon themselves to identify their own membership through racial exclusion. They were simply superior because their own racism made them that way, in their own minds.


Here, I have an article for you:


Why Racists Find a Home in Frats

The video of a racist chant by University of Oklahoma frat boys has once again made people ask, why does bigotry flourish in frat houses? The answer? Exclusivity.

When the very first chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon was founded at the University of Alabama in 1856, its members would have considered it beside the point to chant their intention never to admit a black member. For most of the 19th century, fraternities were exclusively white because the colleges and universities at which they were located were also all white. This was true in the North and the South.

But this did not mean that fraternities were not exclusive in other ways. Indeed, fraternities are built on exclusivity. When fraternities go through rushing and pledging, they are choosing not just who to include as new members but also who to exclude from the privileges of brotherhood. In part this is about whom they want to associate with on a daily basis. But because fraternities, as early as the 1830s, conceived of themselves as national organizations, where men were united in brotherhood for life with members of sister chapters, admitting the “right” kind of members was important to them. This was about connections—for business and jobs and so forth—but it was also that a man wanted to be absolutely sure that if he introduced himself as a member of a particular fraternity, everyone would know just what kind of man he was. This is how racial exclusion becomes important.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/11/how-frats-cozied-up-to-racism.html
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
19. You misunderstood what I wrote.
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:19 PM
Mar 2015

I don't think these were casual racists, either. They did indeed make a deliberate effort to exclude people.

(BTW, interesting article you posted, MrScorpio. I've never been all that enthused about frats, anyway.)

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
6. Strange statement . . .
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:37 AM
Mar 2015

They are very young--19 and 20--and you are stating that they will NEVER be able to hold jobs?? I think people can change. This is a teachable moment for these two young men. They are enduring very public shame, and we can hope that they will learn from this and become better people as a result.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
9. You can hire them
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 08:59 PM
Mar 2015

I will not.

I hold very strong opinions about this because my family has experienced racial hostility more times than I care to recount over the years. I consciously choose to shun and avoid people who hold those views. The people who work for me are an incredibly diverse group and do not deserve to be subjected to racial divisiveness and hostility.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
11. If I had a business in Oklahoma...
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:15 PM
Mar 2015

I would put up a sign saying: "We don't hire racists, homophobes, misogynists and other hateful bigots."

-Religious Freedom Act.

Response to YarnAddict (Reply #6)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
17. Well.... Robert Byrd was a senior officer in the KKK,
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:03 PM
Mar 2015

and he managed to get a job as a US senator. So I guess it can happen, but they obviously have not improved their chances.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
7. Now, now.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:44 AM
Mar 2015

They were just drunk, misunderstood youths enjoying a bit of a sing-a-long with their colleagues!

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