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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou know that those two "apologizing" former OU students said that weren't racist, right?
Isn't that laughable?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Not like full on ACTUAL racists. I mean, they apologized when they started to get their asses handed to them for being racist. No ACTUAL racist would do that.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)The idea that they can chant racist epithets and then claim that they're not racist is both dishonest and an oxymoron.
They can't even SEE their own racism, quite simply because opposing anti-blackness is not their struggle. The denial is a pure exercise of their own white privilege and support for white supremacy.
Basically, I'm calling those apologies "bullshit."
morningfog
(18,115 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'd bet pretty much anything that at least *some* of these guys knew *full well* that they were being racist, and only "apologized" to try to avoid embarrassment.....I think you unintentionally gave these guys a little too much of a break(as those few people out there genuinely unaware of their racism tend to be pretty pitiable, by and large).
(P.S. "opposing anti-blackness", however, assuming you are referring to active anti-racism work, doesn't really have much to do with anything, as being non-racist does not require one to be part of the anti-racism movement.)
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)Crocodile tears only because they realize their actions had negative consequences. This was not a youthful indiscretion. It was willful, venomous hate.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)I'm quite sure that his connections will try to help him out once this story blows over.
So, do I expect him to face that fact that he's a practicing racist? Not in the least. I'm sure that he's not that self-aware.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)to all kinds of valuable connections in terms of his future employment.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Which is a huge part of the problem; practicing racists are so much more inculcated with hate, fear, distrust, etc. of the "other", than the casual racist who was usually just raised in an ignorant manner.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)We're talking about a frat here
And it's quite clear that the members of this particular chapter took it upon themselves to identify their own membership through racial exclusion. They were simply superior because their own racism made them that way, in their own minds.
Here, I have an article for you:
The video of a racist chant by University of Oklahoma frat boys has once again made people ask, why does bigotry flourish in frat houses? The answer? Exclusivity.
When the very first chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon was founded at the University of Alabama in 1856, its members would have considered it beside the point to chant their intention never to admit a black member. For most of the 19th century, fraternities were exclusively white because the colleges and universities at which they were located were also all white. This was true in the North and the South.
But this did not mean that fraternities were not exclusive in other ways. Indeed, fraternities are built on exclusivity. When fraternities go through rushing and pledging, they are choosing not just who to include as new members but also who to exclude from the privileges of brotherhood. In part this is about whom they want to associate with on a daily basis. But because fraternities, as early as the 1830s, conceived of themselves as national organizations, where men were united in brotherhood for life with members of sister chapters, admitting the right kind of members was important to them. This was about connectionsfor business and jobs and so forthbut it was also that a man wanted to be absolutely sure that if he introduced himself as a member of a particular fraternity, everyone would know just what kind of man he was. This is how racial exclusion becomes important.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/11/how-frats-cozied-up-to-racism.html
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I don't think these were casual racists, either. They did indeed make a deliberate effort to exclude people.
(BTW, interesting article you posted, MrScorpio. I've never been all that enthused about frats, anyway.)
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)They are very young--19 and 20--and you are stating that they will NEVER be able to hold jobs?? I think people can change. This is a teachable moment for these two young men. They are enduring very public shame, and we can hope that they will learn from this and become better people as a result.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)I will not.
I hold very strong opinions about this because my family has experienced racial hostility more times than I care to recount over the years. I consciously choose to shun and avoid people who hold those views. The people who work for me are an incredibly diverse group and do not deserve to be subjected to racial divisiveness and hostility.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)I would put up a sign saying: "We don't hire racists, homophobes, misogynists and other hateful bigots."
-Religious Freedom Act.
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and he managed to get a job as a US senator. So I guess it can happen, but they obviously have not improved their chances.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)They were just drunk, misunderstood youths enjoying a bit of a sing-a-long with their colleagues!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The two who were expelled?
I missed any apologies.
Dr. Strange
(25,917 posts)if they thought they wouldn't get caught.