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Just wondering who are Republican Senators That DID NOT sign the letter... Also how many people know (Original Post) diabeticman Mar 2015 OP
Have to get the news to people first, I am certain vast majority of Americans NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
True diabeticman Mar 2015 #2
diabetiman do you understand the Logan Act? former9thward Mar 2015 #3
I suggest you take it up with the Aerows Mar 2015 #4
No, the people asking for prosecution should take it up with the DOJ. former9thward Mar 2015 #7
Just because no one has been prosecuted before Aerows Mar 2015 #13
Actually, the fact that nobody has ever been prosecuted may make the law unenforceable The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #15
I know Aerows Mar 2015 #16
It is unconstitutional on its face. former9thward Mar 2015 #18
I think I was missed informed on the act. diabeticman Mar 2015 #5
There are a couple posts with the names marym625 Mar 2015 #6
Thanks. diabeticman Mar 2015 #8
You're welcome marym625 Mar 2015 #14
The Sane Seven: KamaAina Mar 2015 #9
Thanks. diabeticman Mar 2015 #11
There's no way anyone will be prosecuted for this under the Logan Act. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2015 #10
Thanks this clears it up for me. diabeticman Mar 2015 #12
there are 7 who didn't, including mine (Susan Collins) magical thyme Mar 2015 #17
Thanks diabeticman Mar 2015 #19
I thought Dan Coats was a lobbyist. B Calm Mar 2015 #20
and? magical thyme Mar 2015 #21

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. Have to get the news to people first, I am certain vast majority of Americans
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:32 PM
Mar 2015

are clueless this even happened and most other than active folks like us wont care.

They dont see how this can adversely effect them, even though it can in the worse way

former9thward

(31,928 posts)
3. diabetiman do you understand the Logan Act?
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:36 PM
Mar 2015

Do you understand that in 212 years of the law's existence no one has ever been prosecuted for a violation? Its because it is unconstitutional.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
4. I suggest you take it up with the
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:39 PM
Mar 2015

Congress that passed it. It was during the Adam's Administration.

former9thward

(31,928 posts)
7. No, the people asking for prosecution should take it up with the DOJ.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:43 PM
Mar 2015

All 212 years of them who have always refused to prosecute anyone.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. Just because no one has been prosecuted before
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:51 PM
Mar 2015

for a violation of the law doesn't make it any less illegal.

You can do things against protocol all day long, but it doesn't make you right to do so, either.

Go stand in the middle of a public place and "exercise your 1st Amendment rights" to hurl obscenities at passersby.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
15. Actually, the fact that nobody has ever been prosecuted may make the law unenforceable
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 06:15 PM
Mar 2015

under the legal doctrine of desuetude, according to which a statute can be judicially abrogated (that is, held unenforceable) following a long period of "intentional nonenforcement and notorious disregard."

former9thward

(31,928 posts)
18. It is unconstitutional on its face.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 06:28 PM
Mar 2015

So any conduct where someone asserts a Logan At violation is in fact legal. Logan Act aside, Senators are protected by Art I, Section 6 (1) of the Constitution which prevents them from being "questioned in any other place" for what they say or write.

"You can do things against protocol all day long, but it doesn't make you right to do so, either." This is true but not a legal violation. Speaker Pelosi went to Syria to negotiate with Assad in 2007 over the protests of the State Department. It was wrong but not a legal violation.

"Go stand in the middle of a public place and "exercise your 1st Amendment rights" to hurl obscenities at passersby.". A really bad analogy. You must not live in a major city. Mentally ill homeless will do just what you described and they are not arrested.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. The Sane Seven:
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:44 PM
Mar 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/09/world/middleeast/document-the-letter-senate-republicans-addressed-to-the-leaders-of-iran.html

The letter was signed by every Senate Republican except Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker of Tennessee, Dan Coats of Indiana, Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Susan Collins of Maine, Jeff Flake of Arizona and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
10. There's no way anyone will be prosecuted for this under the Logan Act.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 05:44 PM
Mar 2015

Here's a pretty good analysis:

I. “Without authority of the United States”

The text of the Logan Act makes it a crime for citizens to engage in “any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government . . . with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government . . . in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States.” As Peter explained yesterday, the Senators’ letter certainly seems to fall within this language. But, critically, the citizen must act “without authority of the United States.” Although most assume that means without authority of the Executive Branch, the Logan Act itself does not specify what this term means, and the State Department told Congress in 1975 that “Nothing in section 953 . . . would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.” That doesn’t mean Members would have immunity under the Constitution’s Speech and Debate Clause; it just means the statute would arguably not apply in the first place. Combined with the rule of lenity and the constitutional concerns identified below, it seems likely that contemporary and/or future courts would interpret this provision to not apply to such official communications from Congress.

II. The First Amendment (and the Fifth)

The Logan Act, recall, was written in 1799, well over a century before the rise of modern First (and Fifth) Amendment doctrine with regard to protections for speech and against prosecutions for unclear misconduct. It seems quite likely, as one district court suggested in passing in 1964, that the terms of the statute are both unconstitutionally vague and in any event unlikely to survive the far stricter standards contemporary courts place on such content-based restrictions on speech. Thus, even if the Act does encompass official communications from Members of Congress acting within their legislative capacity, it seems likely that it would not survive modern First Amendment scrutiny were it to be invoked in such a case.

III. Desuetude

Finally, as Peter noted yesterday, the Logan Act has never been successfully used (indeed, the last indictment under the Act was in–not a typo–1803). Although most assume this is just a practical obstacle to a contemporary prosecution, it’s worth reminding folks about “desuetude”–the legal doctrine pursuant to which statutes (especially criminal ones) may lapse if they are never enforced (interested readers should check out a fantastic 2006 student note on the subject in the Harvard Law Review). If ever there was a case in which desuetude could be a successful defense to a federal criminal prosecution, I have to think that this would be it.


A bit more here: http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/03/logan-act/
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
17. there are 7 who didn't, including mine (Susan Collins)
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 06:22 PM
Mar 2015

Some of them not happy about this letter either.

Bob Corker (Tenn)
Jeff Flake (Ariz)
Susan Collins (Maine)
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.)
Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/03/10/who-are-the-seven-republicans-that-didnt-sign-the-iran-letter/

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