Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:26 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

2015 Hillary Clinton still hasn't learned what 2007 Obama taught

Campaign Obama would have addressed and moved past a story like Hillary's email use in a day or two. During his campaigns Obama was masterful at getting out and ahead of stories quickly and efficiently. His skill was to hit the issue head on and pivot or counterpoint to stay in control of the frame.

Hillary didn't do this in 2007-2008 and clearly hasn't learned still. Maybe it's hubris or a disconnect with modern politics. But, if she can't learn how to quickly neuter a story like this one, it will be a long and painful campaign. Regardless of how much you like what she supposedly stands for or what she represents, to win she needs to learn how to do more than raise money and hope to simply weather the storms.

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2015 Hillary Clinton still hasn't learned what 2007 Obama taught (Original post)	morningfog	Mar 2015	OP
What she "supposedly stands for" no agenda here	NoJusticeNoPeace	Mar 2015	#1
I have yet to hear her 2016 platform.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#2
If you meant you are unaware of her positions, then let me help	NoJusticeNoPeace	Mar 2015	#3
Is that site operated by Hillary Clinton? Or the Clinton campaign?	morningfog	Mar 2015	#13
No more an agenda than your reply.	CANDO	Mar 2015	#4
AGreed, I have an agenda, it started when I saw thread after thread, post after post	NoJusticeNoPeace	Mar 2015	#6
Where does she stand on Netanyahu's speech? Obama/Kerry negotiations with Iran?	tularetom	Mar 2015	#10
...	NoJusticeNoPeace	Mar 2015	#11
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz	leftofcool	Mar 2015	#5
Meh. The "non story" "fake story" blah blah continues because	morningfog	Mar 2015	#14
There are many more constraints on her now, than on Obama in '08.	elfin	Mar 2015	#7
Hillary has not yet announced her candidacy	Hutzpa	Mar 2015	#8
Snort. Good one.	morningfog	Mar 2015	#12
given she hasn't even declared to run for president yet... there really isn't a story here.	Johonny	Mar 2015	#9

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:30 PM

NoJusticeNoPeace (5,018 posts)

1. What she "supposedly stands for" no agenda here

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:33 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

2. I have yet to hear her 2016 platform.

Have you?

It's been a while since she's given a campaign speech. We live in a different political world than in 2008.

Whatever you think her platform will be, you've not heard 2016 speech yet.

The point remains, she hasn't learned how to head off stories early.

Eta: piss poor form going after the poster rather the the post.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:34 PM

NoJusticeNoPeace (5,018 posts)

3. If you meant you are unaware of her positions, then let me help

http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

I went after what you said, you said what I quoted...if you meant you didnt know what she stood for, then fine

You should have said that, otherwise to me it sounds like you are questioning her honesty.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:25 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

13. Is that site operated by Hillary Clinton? Or the Clinton campaign?

The vast majority of the citations on that site are quite stale in political terms, dating back to her 2008 campaign.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:37 PM

CANDO (2,068 posts)

4. No more an agenda than your reply.

All politicians supposedly stand for this, that, or another...only to lick their finger and stick it in the wind.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:41 PM

NoJusticeNoPeace (5,018 posts)

6. AGreed, I have an agenda, it started when I saw thread after thread, post after post

on DU going after Hillary emails with the exact same language as the TeaParTY and rightwing sites used.

Many many many threads and posts.

When I saw that, I went from a reluctant supporter of Hillary, from the very far left person that I am who thought almost anyone in our party would be better than Hillary, to a supporter of Hillary.

Why I did that is because I am not new at this. I know who is attacking her and why.

You bet your ass I have an agenda, it is to do everything in my power as a human being to avoid any republican alive taking the WH in 2016.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:16 PM

tularetom (23,664 posts)

10. Where does she stand on Netanyahu's speech? Obama/Kerry negotiations with Iran?

What is her position WRT Keystone XL pipeline?

Does she support the President's veto? Would she sustain it if elected?

Does she support net neutrality?

Would she favor an effort to overturn Citizens United either legislatively or through a constitutional amendment?

These are just a few issues that are important to a lot of Democratic voters. There are probably a lot more. If she has outlined her position on any of them, I haven't heard it.

Her platform seems to be, "Nominate me, then I'll let you know what I plan to do if elected". Or maybe even "Elect me president because it's my turn. I'll come up with an agenda afterward."

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Response to tularetom (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:27 PM

NoJusticeNoPeace (5,018 posts)

11. ...

Consider Constitutional Amendment against Citizen's United. (Jul 2014)

http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

That should make you happy...

As to the others, do you expect her to comment on the Netanyahu issue? I dont, ongoing foreign policy of a president in her policy.

Net neutrality, who knows, but I would be shocked if she didnt.

Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:41 PM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

5. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:27 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

14. Meh. The "non story" "fake story" blah blah continues because

Hillary Clinton has not ended it. She needs to show prove her ability to be an effective campaigner is she has any hope of winning.

It's better she (we) learn this during the primary stage.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:10 PM

elfin (6,262 posts)

7. There are many more constraints on her now, than on Obama in '08.

Mainly her husband, his (and her) Global Initiative activities, and her character of being reticent after horrific attacks thru the years. Plus Bill and his libidinous proclivities, which have no mirror with Michelle as a spouse.

I crave for Hillary to be Hillary, but I despair at her instinct of opaque caution at moments when caution increases the volume of criticism, whether warranted or not.

No, she could not learn from Obama, because the situations were so very different. His age gave him little to lose. He could repeat. She cannot.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:14 PM

Hutzpa (11,461 posts)

8. Hillary has not yet announced her candidacy

nobody knows if she is running or not, it's all speculation until she enters the race.

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Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:22 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

12. Snort. Good one.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:16 PM

Johonny (18,721 posts)

9. given she hasn't even declared to run for president yet... there really isn't a story here.

The GOP gets away with not answering questions like if you believe in evolution or climate change all the time. Not addressing a story while in pseudo retirement I'm not sure is up to the same bar as what you do during an actual campaign. Just because the 24hr media is in election mode all the time doesn't mean the public is. Frankly the polls show her likely voters don't give a crap and aren't paying attention to the fake story. Most are far more interested in if this economic boom is going to last or not. She knows that. We all know that. If you walk away from your 24 news station suddenly crap like this doesn't matter anymore. Walk away from old CNN.

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