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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFive Myths about Daylight Savings Time
Interesting stuff. I would rather we keep the clocks one time all year. I think DST makes more sense than standard time. Imho.
The Myths
1. Daylight saving time was meant to help farmers.
2. The extra daylight makes us healthier and happier.
3. It helps us conserve energy.
4. DST benefits businesses
5. Standard time is standard.
The reality is in the article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-daylight-saving-time/2015/03/06/970092d4-c2c1-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html
We should start planning now and next fall set them back one half hour then never touch them again.
Split the difference. I like it
roamer65
(36,739 posts)I know I don't want standard time in the summers. The sun would be rising at 5 AM. No thanks.
I like dst. I think it would be better in the winter too.
TexasProgresive
(12,148 posts)you would need to double or triple the hours since there are less daylight hours in the winter and the further north you are the less. But that balances out in the summer as the further north one is the longer the day.
marym625
(17,997 posts)So I'm good with whatever is going on outside, as long as the sun shines some of the time
TexasProgresive
(12,148 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)And I do like DST in the summer. So, I prefer DST.
I don't think anything we think matters. It won't change this
meow2u3
(24,745 posts)IDK about you, but it would be damn near impossible for me to get up in the morning 2 hours before the sun comes up.
marym625
(17,997 posts)dflprincess
(28,057 posts)I would rather have a little more light at the end of the day rather than going to and leaving work in the dark in the winter. At least in December it would be twilight at 5 pm and not full dark if we stayed on DST. So what if it's still dark out the first hour or so I'm at the office?
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Obviously, the changes screw people up. That's not good or worth it
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Maybe they meant as opposed to nightlight.
Warpy
(110,909 posts)1. Farmers were never mentioned when DST was instituted full time by FDR. They rise when the roosters make sleep impossible and work until and sometimes after dusk. The clock is irrelevant for farm work.
2. Having sunlight at one end of the winter commute in northern latitudes might decrease winter depression. Going to work in darkness and coming home in darkness sucks. This article is complaining about the twice a year time change, not DST, which should be year round.
3. Oh, it certainly does by reducing household lighting needs, especially in Luddite households that still use mostly incandescent and other inefficient lighting. In addition, more light in the evening means more light to be outdoors instead of asleep in a chair with the TV blaring. The spike in AC only comes in hotter months, certainly not this weekend, and would happen anyway.
4. I don't think they were mentioned, either, along with farmers. This is also silly BS by people who don't understand that changing the clock doesn't magically create a 25 hour day.
5. Standard time is 100% arbitrary. That's the only true thing they almost said.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Not taking any of it as gospel and didn't follow any of the Arizona stuff.
Thanks for the information. I do appreciate it.
TM99
(8,352 posts)The last thing we need are extra hours of daylight. There is a damned good reason why we always abstain form DST shifts.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)All it does is change what time the clock says when you get it.
TM99
(8,352 posts)then why hasn't Arizona ever done DST?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)god, i hope that's just a joke...
sP
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Daylight before my eyes are open in the morning is not useable. I can use it in the evening instead.
An extra hour of useable daylight is not what I or most would desire in a state where it can still be 100º at midnight!
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)but usable light is a matter of preference. i prefer my usable light in the morning ... not at night. makes me nuts, but in the summer i end up going to bed while the sun is still up and end up spending extra time in the morning in the dark.
DST is nothing but perception... and if it weren't for the fact that most of us have to work for a living wouldn't be a problem.
sP
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)some people actually get up in the morning and could use the light then. It is a little after 0400 here in the east... I would love to be able to get my outside activities going a little earlier... but not now.
so, usable daylight is relative. daylight it daylight. all this clock shifting crap is tapdancing. stop moving the damned clocks.
sP
Warpy
(110,909 posts)and I disagree.
If you are in the northern cities, they simply are not the same as the Phoenix Valley.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)it's a rank superstition
marym625
(17,997 posts)I don't follow. Sorry
marym625
(17,997 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As are all arbitrary measurements of time. Yet we often pretend one is a little more "real" than the other-- possibly to feel more clever about ourselves... or possibly to better advertise our trendy and fashionable cynicism.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)It's stupid to go back and forth.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But yes one or the other
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)They knew with more recreational daylight they would sell more gasoline. And to sell this pig in a poke,the politicians said it would save Gasoline for the War Effort. So we got ration stamps and that was a major nightmare. Call it what it was,propaganda.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I didn't know
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I don't know where you saw this claim of Standard Oil being *the* driver behind Daylight Time, but it sure as hell doesn't jive with anything I've ever read on the subject. It's very likely just another myth.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Adopting DST year-round on the federal level, would pose it's own serious problems.....just ask the Russians.....and so, too, would eliminating DST altogether(especially in places such as Boston, Portland, Me., or pretty much anywhere in California.).
marym625
(17,997 posts)Just thought it was fun. Got sick of the bullshit fighting and thought this was interesting. Evidently, much is incorrect but I learned by posting it.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Seriously, it's a new thing. They have everyone on tv dropping the s. There was a discussion on some morning show yesterday about how stupid it was, lol.
Anyhow, I hate any time change. I lived in a place that didn't have the time change. It was truly bliss. Loved it. Didn't notice any 'lack of daylight' issues.
marym625
(17,997 posts)It's correct but it sure is not that big a deal in mho. Though my mother would have been upset if she saw I wrote "savings"
I agree, it's really an annoyance that causes unnecessary issues. Should just be one or the other all year.
Thanks for the tidbit! I appreciate it
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)which on one level makes sense, but since it would put the east coast five hours ahead of us, it seems like it would be bad for business.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I know dealing with both coasts at my last job even the 2 hours made things difficult at times. 5 hours would be a real pain
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Problem solved.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I saw a study once where they kept everyone away from clocks. People slept better, functioned better and accomplished more. I looked but can't find it now. I will post it if I find it
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... hour of daylight after people got off work would enable them to shop more.
Of course it killed the drive-in movie industry, but that's another question.
I loved going to the drive in. We used to pack up my boyfriend's van, put an old couch and mattress in there, and have a little bbq when we got to the drive in. We would have about quality or 20 people watching the movie, a couple hibachis, was great
I didn't realize that was why they all closed.
Thanks. Interesting stuff
CTyankee
(63,771 posts)I love it when we find yet another cause to get all bent out of shape on!
marym625
(17,997 posts)Keeping it light. It's just about fun and/or interesting.
CTyankee
(63,771 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)DST. It's that we don't pick a clock and stick to it. The constant messing with our body clocks is the real problem. I'd prefer DST to "standard time," but I'd be thrilled if we could just pick one and quit flip flopping.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Damansarajaya
(625 posts)savings account. You spring forward during Daylight SAVING Time.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I have been told. I goofed. Mea maxima culpa
CTyankee
(63,771 posts)Shame on me, too, cuz I always goof and say "savings." Oy.
We're just bad people.
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)school bus when it is dark. Once the change comes that actually think they are getting on the bus during the day.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I used to when there were kids in my life. I hated that they went back to standard time right before Halloween. Glad they changed that
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)If the sun rises at 7 a.m. on Standard Time, once you set the clocks ahead one hour for DST the sun rises at 8 a.m. So, the fact is, the kids waiting for the morning school bus after the change to Daylight Saving Time will be waiting in the dark for a longer period of time than if the clocks didn't change.
I leave for work every morning at around 6:45 a.m. For the past few weeks it's been light out, and the sun has been up by the time I get to work. When I leave for work tomorrow morning, it will be full dark again - just like it has been for most of the winter. I won't see another sunrise on the way to work now for another 2 -3 weeks.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)sense. Fortunately my clocks all change automatically. Thank you for the correction.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)For the majority of people who are awake in the evening, it's easy to see that it stays light later in the day during DST.
What they don't get, if they're not also up early in the morning, is the flipside - it stays dark later in the morning during DST.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)blank when it comes to conceptualizing the problem. I am old enough so that when I went to school no one recognized the problem and so there was not help learning how to overcome the problems. Usually I do pretty good at avoiding the issue. Not on this one.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."
Indian wisdom.
marym625
(17,997 posts)That's awesome! Thanks for sharing!
chillfactor
(7,566 posts)it does make me feel healthier and happier! YEAH!
marym625
(17,997 posts)It coincided with a unbelievable warm up and sunshine. So I am very happy with DST.