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Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:08 AM

Which of the following should be public record for elected government officials?

Just curious how far this will go in the next few years? We're assuming all items are for government business. We would also assume this stuff would be available on a public website. Technology like body cams, TV's that can record audio, etc. will soon be able to capture every time you open the fridge, drive around the corner, or buy a carton of milk. I can't walk around the block now without everyone knowing how far and fast on Facebook. Your friendly UPS driver is constantly monitored just like the package you are tracking.

Email is just the tip of the iceberg, so how much do we want to know about our elected officials while they are working? Heart rate?

Please exclude secret or sensitive material that are assumed to be off limits. Also, travel records and things could be provided after the fact to avoid security problems.

Comments are welcome, and we all know there will be issues of practicality and privacy, but after they leave office? Real time? Exactly what do you think we should demand. Like Star Trek, "Computer, play back the conversation with the Andorran ambassador!".




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Email
0 (0%)
Email, text messages
0 (0%)
Email, text messages, voice mail
0 (0%)
Email, text messages, voice mail, visitor logs
0 (0%)
Email, text messages, voice mail, visitor logs, travel (GPS record)
0 (0%)
Email, text messages, voice mail, visitor logs, travel (GPS record), audio recordings
0 (0%)
Email, text messages, voice mail, visitor logs, travel (GPS record), audio recordings, video recordings
1 (33%)
Email, text messages, voice mail, visitor logs, travel (GPS record), audio recordings, video recordings, net search history
0 (0%)
Everything. All this and more should be captured and displayed. I want to see it all!
2 (67%)
Are you crazy? Who would even want to look at this junk!
0 (0%)
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Reply Which of the following should be public record for elected government officials? (Original post)
Sancho Mar 2015 OP
Rex Mar 2015 #1
Fumesucker Mar 2015 #2
Rex Mar 2015 #4
NM_Birder Mar 2015 #3
Sancho Mar 2015 #5
NM_Birder Mar 2015 #8
Sancho Mar 2015 #10
NM_Birder Mar 2015 #13
Autumn Mar 2015 #6
bigwillq Mar 2015 #9
Sancho Mar 2015 #11
Autumn Mar 2015 #14
dissentient Mar 2015 #7
99Forever Mar 2015 #12

Response to Sancho (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:09 AM

1. Anything to do with government business?

 

I don't care about private communications, but government business should be documented.

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Response to Rex (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:12 AM

2. I don't see what's so difficult about it..

If you want to know what Republicans are doing in regards to government business then you have to be willing to allow the same scrutiny of Democrats.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:17 AM

4. I don't either.

 

We should want all government interactions documented. Party shouldn't have anything to do with it.

I think the big freakout by the Hillary Brigade is they are worried about what will be found that HRC didn't report. There might be nothing, but the big freakout will continue regardless.



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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:17 AM

3. No top secret business should be handled from a private owned server,

 

off the system and away from the safe guards of national security.

And I'm sorry but Hillary "tweeting" comments about this issue just adds fuel to the fire that national security is not being taken seriously enough.

#my private server is more secure than the Pentagon.
The Dem's are going to fuck around with this, and in two years well have a republican house, senate and president.

Isn't that the issue ?

Sancho ?.. as in the Panza cigars ? The Don Quixote character, or the back door man ?

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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:25 AM

5. Nope, this is not just Hillary. I remember the Nixon tape recordings...

the question is how much government business should be public?

The issue of servers is easy and already solved (in my mind), but should we demand all the Blackberry text messages from Obama and Hillary after the secret stuff and personal stuff is removed?

Can we demand the internet search history of all government owned computers while on the job as long as it's not secret?
Costco probably has that search history on you, why is it not public information about our President.

What's the difference between email and any other information in message, document, or recorded form?

(Don Quixote)

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Response to Sancho (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:00 PM

8. Better question,

 


How much government business do think is public now ? Every administration promises to be "transparency", but it seems like it gets more and more under cover every new president.


It's the ice berg thing, we see the tip and are told there is nothing underneath. And when it rips a hole in the hull of the political facade, one side simply blames the other and the masses side up and start blaming the other as well.

I don't think it's too much to demand that the American people know what the hell is going on, and know in a clear and verifiable way, but for that to happen people are going to have to let go of party loyalty and focus on results. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

So long as we have two parties, each only telling the part of the truth they want us to know "transparency" and honesty is a myth. Both parties know they can screw those that voted for them, and yet STILL be defended because of party loyalty.

Yes, I do think we should be able to access what the hell our "elected leaders" are doing, and when they are doing it, and what the truth about what they are doing really is.

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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:26 PM

10. I suspect that the vast majority of material is no public now...

I'm sure you are aware that since Nixon, there have obviously been systems to record audio and video everything. I assume that occurs in the WH now.

With new technology, should the public be able to monitor virtually everything top employees do?

Should I be able to see every appointment my Senator has...so I know who he is talking to...or emailing or texting or calling?

If something is secret, then declare it a secure meeting or document. Otherwise, why not be able to see trade negotiations, lobbyist presentations, and text messages?

I just think that email is such a small part of the story. You seem to be on the side of full disclosure. I'm not sure everyone will go that way, but that seems inevitable to me.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:45 PM

13. Let me boil it down.

 



I do not trust politicians. They lie, manipulate, twist and take advantage of controlling the information stream for the good of themselves, and re-election .........and I guess some of the people in some ways.....sometimes.

Trust the honesty of a politician, and regret it later. It's not a matter of monitoring every single move a politician makes, it's about keeping them from taking advantage of the people's ignorance to how manipulative and selfish they can be.


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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:31 AM

6. If it has to do with Government business, the Peoples business I want it all saved

archived and available. I think every communication from the Congress and the Senate should be collected, I don't even want to wait until they are out of office because some of them never fucking leave. I want that available when ever someone wants to see it. The President and his Cabinet? Every 4 years.

The NSA should be put to proper use and I can't think of a better use than to collect and save all the information of the people doing the Peoples work.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:08 PM

9. This is close to how I feel.

 

Make the People's business available to the PEOPLE.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:28 PM

11. You do remember that our CIA was spying on our own Senate?



http://time.com/3066032/cia-brennan-feinstein-senate/
CIA Apologizes for Snooping on Senate Staff Computers


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Response to Sancho (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:48 PM

14. I want them collecting everything the Senate members do in

regards to what is done while they are working on the peoples business. Add the Congress to that too.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:37 AM

7. I'm not a fan of lots of government secrecy

 

I know the Bush administration decided to be very secretive, but I don't think they are a good example to follow.

I think any potential corruption needs to be always considered and monitored, because that is always a danger with government officials, especially the higher and more powerful ones.

Transparency is a good thing, because secrecy and corruption go hand in hand.

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Response to Sancho (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 01:35 PM

12. They get to see all of ours.

Goose meet gander.

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