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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsExposing the West's "Reverse Blame" game.
Who is driving the current effort to blame the Russian Federation for Ukraine's crisis, and trying to cover-up their own complicity in the process? A group of prominent academics have pooled their thoughts and observations in a new book concerning who is driving the Ukrainian civil war, who stands to gain from promoting conflict with Russia and how Western Media is cooperating with their efforts.
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, hands out food to pro-Western protesters in Kiev (AP Photo)
How 'Reverse Blame' Works: New Book on Ukraine Crisis Exposes US Geo-Scams
One year since the bloody uprising in Kiev, worlds leading political analysts look into the background of what grew into one of the gravest geopolitical crises; they've put their thoughts together in a book, Flashpoint in Ukraine, which, of course, went unnoticed by the US and European mainstream media. Sputnik got hold of one of the copies.
According to the accepted narrative of the Western mainstream media, the crisis begun when the so-called fresh-faced young pro-democracy activists overturned what they believed was a brutal Russian-backed dictatorship which stood in Ukraine's way, keeping it from joining the European family of nations and sharing in its prosperity. This led to the claimed Russia's incursion into Ukraine and what they called "its annexation of Crimea." However, 22 analysts with impeccable credentials were able to review the events that led up to the current crisis in Ukraine, and an entirely different story emerges.he authors reveal the true aims of the backers of the military conflict and what they were willing to do in order to achieve their goals.
In his chapter "The new Cold Wars Ukraine Gambit", Michael Hudson, a world-famous research professor of economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City explains what the conflict is actually all about. "The object is the same as that of military conquest: appropriation of land and basic infrastructure, and the rents that can be extracted as tribute," he writes. "In todays world this is taken mainly in the form of debt service and privatization. That is how neoliberalism works, subduing economies by indebting their governments and using unpayably high debts as a lever to pry away the public domain at distress prices."
"It is what todays New Cold War is all about. Backed by the IMF and European Central Bank (ECB) as knee-breakers in what has become in effect a financial extension of NATO, the aim is for US and allied investors to appropriate the plums that kleptocrats have taken from the public domain of Russia, Ukraine and other post-Soviet economies in these countries, as well as whatever assets remain."
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Read more at: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150223/1018617115.html
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)What exactly do you think the State is going to tell them to print
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Is taking orders from the Kremlin, right?
Is that kind of wholesale fantasy really what you think is going on, or am I misunderstanding your comment?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)The piece was the only alternate reality in this thread
And NO - it wasn't written by your "Highly Respected" source
Really you should read the tripe your posting before you try to comment on the people who reply
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)As shown:
In his chapter "The new Cold Wars Ukraine Gambit", Michael Hudson, a world-famous research professor of economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City explains what the conflict is actually all about. "The object is the same as that of military conquest: appropriation of land and basic infrastructure, and the rents that can be extracted as tribute," he writes. "In todays world this is taken mainly in the form of debt service and privatization. That is how neoliberalism works, subduing economies by indebting their governments and using unpayably high debts as a lever to pry away the public domain at distress prices."
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)All these propaganda-articles conveniently ignore that Ukraine was already split into a West-loving western half and a Russia-loving eastern half a decade becore this coup. But if you admit that Ukraine was a political powder-keg, this would ruin the America-is-the-devil theory. And we can't have that.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Isn't just possible they might know a few things you don't know? That goes for Ukrainian history and great deal else as well.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Let's sum this up, shall we?
1. You automatically believe what the authorities of this article claim(, even though they are obviously withholding vital information from the reader).
2. You automatically disbelieve what US-media claims.
3. You automatically believe what russian media claims(, even though Russia has a deep interest in the outcome of this situation, even though independent russian news-outlets are under constant attack by the russian government, and even though Russia ranks fairly bad on the Freedom-of-the-Press index).
4. You spread baseless rumors on DU without giving others the necessary information to cross-check your claims. (Do you remember? The US-soldiers that somebody purportedly filmed in Eastern Ukraine? Or "I don't have the time to give you the links. They are somewhere in the 30+ pages of my journal."
Now, please tell me:
Why should I take anything you have to say on this topic seriously?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)There's more than enough propaganda coming from both sides. Just because A is telling lies doesn't automatically mean that B isn't lying just as much.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)While the other set of lies is ignominious and evil.
Discerning which is which is left as an exercise for the students.
polly7
(20,582 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)BTW: I for one am going to buy a copy of that book right away.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Some priceless gems just from the OP:
"However, 22 analysts with impeccable credentials"
"Michael Hudson, a world-famous research professor of economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City"
Impeccable? World famous? Really.
Sounds like the USSR's PRAVDA or an old Soviet TASS press release.
Too bad it's not really funny, given the war that the fascist Putin on Ukraine is waging while putting out this BS
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)Even if one were to take the whole "NULAND'S COOKIES!!!!!!" goobledegook at face value, Ukraine would not be in the circumstances that it is in today if Russia had not invaded Crimea less than a week after Yanukovych left the country. It's that simple.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)They already had a division-sized force there under the terms of a 99-year treaty with Ukraine, so when the majority of Crimea's people wanted nothing to do with our coup government in Kiev, and they voted to return to Russian control, it was a done deal. No invasion was required.
With what Yats and the chocolate king have done to those parts of Ukraine they do still control, who can honestly blame the Crimean people for choosing as they did?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)Thankfully most people are smarter than that.
Pursuant to treaty, Russia was allowed to keep military on its previously existing naval bases on the Crimean peninsula. The key concept to be understood is "on the bases". At no point was the Russian military allowed to occupy civilian portions of Crimea, which Russia had previously acknowledged as being part of sovereign Ukraine.
The fact of the matter is that Yanukovych had left Kiev in the early morning of February 22, 2014 and by February 26, 2014 there were reports of armed military units in the civilian portions of Crimea (read: not on the Black Sea Fleet bases).
Government buildings and airports were then seized, and a reported criminal from the Russian Unity party named Sergey Aksyonov was named the new Prime Minister. The infamous 96% plebecite was held March 16, 2014.
Care to counter these well-documented facts? Otherwise admit that this was a Russian invasion.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)No amount of arguing can change that fact. Calling what happened in Crimea an invasion is to indulge in self-serving fantasy.
History will record what happened as what it truly was: A majority decision by the people of a region to reject an illegal change of national government, imposed by foreign powers intent on stealing Ukraine's resources and markets.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 23, 2015, 04:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Answer me this:
1. True or false: Prior to March 16, 2014, there was no treaty that allowed Russian military to mobilize in civilian portions of Crimea (read: off base) and occupy government buildings and airports in Crimea.
2. True or false: Prior to March 16, 2014, notwithstanding the agreement regarding its naval bases, Russia acknowledged by treaty that Crimea was the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
3. True or false: Between February 26, 2014 and March 16, 2014, armed Russian military units operated within civilian portions of Crimea and occupied government buildings and other civilian installations on the Crimean peninsula.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Remember how we used our air force to make sure that principle applied in regard to Kosovo's ethnic Albanians? The ethnic Russians in Crimea were a majority in their region, but a minority in Ukraine as a whole, just like the Albanians of Kosovo. They exercised their rights under the UN charter to choose their own government, just as the Albanians we supported so violently did.
You can cherry-pick a bushel more, but I'm afraid that won't change anything.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)Answer me this:
1. True or false: Prior to March 16, 2014, there was no treaty that allowed Russian military to mobilize in civilian portions of Crimea (read: off base) and occupy government buildings and airports in Crimea.
2. True or false: Prior to March 16, 2014, notwithstanding the agreement regarding its naval bases, Russia acknowledged by treaty that Crimea was the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
3. True or false: Between February 26, 2014 and March 16, 2014, armed Russian military units operated within civilian portions of Crimea and occupied government buildings and other civilian installations on the Crimean peninsula.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Russian forces left their bases on the peninsula and forced out the Ukrainian military, then held a sham referendum with the only possible choice being reunification with Russia.
malaise
(268,667 posts)Only one person is missing
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)when it is so clearly Obama's fault.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Possibly the only news outlet with a bigger anti-American bent than First Look Media:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150222/1018598246.html#ixzz3STfLtTX0