People are complaining=we haven't even had the primaries yet!

[fadedrose]

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and say that it's too early for debating about candidates (especially when only Webb announced and Sanders is trying to). It is too early.

But how can it be too early to discuss pros and cons of candidates of either party, when we've been subjected to poll results since election day, 2012, saying Hillary Clinton is the frontrunner in 2016, and telling me which Republican she can beat by the most votes?

Maybe people will stop arguing about the candidates if no one ever mentions a poll that says she's the frontrunner, or how inevitable her victory will be. We get tired of hearing that already.




Edited because I used the wrong election year. It was the day Obama was reelected that the nonsense started...

[jwirr]

1. Haven't you heard? We are going to fast-track they primary this year.

[Agschmid]

2. .

[Agschmid]

4. So many good gifs for how I feel right now...

[Aerows]

6. OT

How on earth did Anne Hathaway become famous? She's so annoying I'm surprised she isn't Rush Limbaugh's 5th wife yet.

[Agschmid]

7. Devil Wears Prada... pretty much sealed the deal.

[Aerows]

8. And we've been Rick Rolled

with the one-hit wonder since.

[bravenak]

29. LOL!! So true!!

[fadedrose]

9. I will giggle about this all day

thanks.

[Aerows]

3. No offense

but complaining about politicians is what DU and politics is all about.

We *DON'T* have a candidate yet.

Primary is a ways away.

Or do we already have someone that said "I'm running to be the Democratic President of the US" and I wasn't aware?

Well, no matter who it is, I'll complain about whatever policy they have that I disagree with, because, you know, I disagree with that policy and hope that said candidate changes their mind.

[fadedrose]

10. None taken

It's just that we're being bombed with forecasts made on actual data (?) from her supporters that she's already won, yet, whenever someone expresses a liking or preference for somebody else, it's always, they're not running, suck it up. Excuse my language, but they got balls.

[blkmusclmachine]

5. Clinton Entitlement Syndrome.

[dissentient]

22. And thus, a new meme was born. "CES"

You are to be congratulated.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. There seems to be a lot more threads here denigrating her than elevating her.

And I don't see how polling that suggests she can beat the Republican nominee is anything but a good thing.

[fadedrose]

12. All posted by non-Democrats

and trolls

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I don't think the posters here who consistently denigrate HRC think of themselves as trolls ...

I don't think the posters who consistently denigrate HRC think of themselves as trolls or not Democrats. And If you include the Recommends it's a lot of posters.


I am willing to let the voters decide.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. BTW- I counted four anti-Hillary threads and no pro-Hillary threads on the front board.

[Katashi_itto]

16. Not enough.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. You think they bother me. Please start some more.

DSB needs the laughs.

[HereSince1628]

15. We don't discuss candidates...we disparage supporters of candidates and question their loyalty

and cognitive capacities.

Haven't you noticed?

I agree now isn't the time to argue candidates...NOW is the time to identify the top problems facing the country that we want our candidate to address once elected.

[fadedrose]

18. Trouble is, that's what starts the trouble

Identify problems - Most caused by candidates who won in both parties.

(Glass-Seagull (sp), cutting welfare, non extension of unemployment benefits, veterans not being taken care of, NAFTA, Shutting down the government, Cruz, T Party, Iraq, Netanyahu and poor Israel who should vote him out, cutting some stuff in Medicare, and too much damned criticism aimed at our President, who got the worst conditions when he entered office than any other, people want boots on the ground, some don't, immigration, GMO's, my god, there's no end, more pipelines when the ones we have are busting, yikes)

Izat what you mean? Identifying problems makes me madder when you figger out how they started....

[HereSince1628]

19. In a dynamic system, adjustments are ALWAYS necessary, old solutions become problematic

( i.e. problem generating) because the context of internal components and external effectors is always changing.

Yes you name many problems that need reprioritizing, although I don't think specific regulating the teaparty, Cruz and Likud politics are really concerns for government.

On balance, I would say, in very general terms, that the US needs -more- attention to domestic problems of consumers rather than producers and less attention to participation in international interventions.


That leaves PLENTY of room for arguments, side-taking, name calling and all the rest of the things DUers --REALLY ENJOY!!--

[fadedrose]

20. Complaining is fun

In the really nice group in DU

(Even some of the HC people are Okay in most ways and often "R" one of their posts).

Never was much good at gloating about how good I/we have it, because it would involve lying, not much good at that either.

I will continue to enjoy arguing and hope that not too many threads are locked...

OT, my complaints seem so trivial after having read Omaha Steve's OP today. Hope he finds the right answer...

[pipi_k]

21. Was going to post

much the same.

Discussion (rational and adult) is a good thing.


What isn't so good is when people argue and insult and disparage and point accusing fingers and question party loyalty, etc.


Don't know why anyone would want to do that, or why anyone thinks it will have an effect on the ultimate outcome, but whatever...

[HereSince1628]

23. I think I get it...sort of basic to human social behavior...the us vs them thing

whenever sides are chosen, or divided by force or circumstance. US is good THEM is bad, and chauvinism and bigotry are engaged as tools to build the egos of US and to discourage and depress THEM.

[catnhatnh]

24. What we need here is a protected group...

...you know, a place where if someone says anything nice about Hillary we can ban them and not have a sad....

[dissentient]

25. I think some of the more hard core Hillary backers would like it the other way

and make the general discussion forum have the same rules regarding criticism of Hillary as their protected little group.

[catnhatnh]

27. I posited that in an OP

but the thread devolved...

[fadedrose]

30. First they have to think of something nice

besides that she's ahead in the polls.

That does not address character.

More should be said of her character by her supporters, and her platform, that tells us what her presidency would be like, what she's for, against, boots on the ground, social security, etc.....

All I know is that she's "for" women. Which candidate of either party isn't?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Maybe we should just debate about Republican candidates and call this Republican Underground.

God forbid that Democrats should talk about Democrats.

[L0oniX]

28. OMG