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Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:38 PM

 

Hillary's stance on Women's rights

In her speech, she recalled campaigning for "teenage celibacy" a decade ago. She emphasized "the important role that parents can play in encouraging their children to abstain from sexual activity. … Research shows that the primary reason that teenage girls abstain is because of their religious and moral values. We should embrace this—and support programs that reinforce the idea that abstinence at a young age is not just the smart thing to do, it is the right thing to do."


Abortion is "a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women," said Clinton. Then she went further: "There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances."



Here is what Hillary Clinton thinks of women's rights. In her own words.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2005/01/safe_legal_and_never.html

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Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #7
Ramses Feb 2015 #2
Aerows Feb 2015 #3
Ramses Feb 2015 #5
Aerows Feb 2015 #8
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #6
randys1 Feb 2015 #9
Ramses Feb 2015 #12
randys1 Feb 2015 #16
still_one Feb 2015 #62
Ramses Feb 2015 #63
cheapdate Feb 2015 #66
still_one Feb 2015 #67
Agschmid Feb 2015 #91
fredamae Feb 2015 #126
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #76
Adrahil Feb 2015 #83
Agschmid Feb 2015 #90
sheshe2 Feb 2015 #98
cyberswede Feb 2015 #99
AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #14
William769 Feb 2015 #10
Ramses Feb 2015 #15
OKNancy Feb 2015 #22
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #79
Alittleliberal Feb 2015 #82
Adrahil Feb 2015 #85
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treestar Feb 2015 #95
xmas74 Feb 2015 #105
joshcryer Feb 2015 #27
zappaman Feb 2015 #54
still_one Feb 2015 #64
Agschmid Feb 2015 #92
OKNancy Feb 2015 #18
arcane1 Feb 2015 #21
Agschmid Feb 2015 #93
Ramses Feb 2015 #24
William769 Feb 2015 #31
arcane1 Feb 2015 #33
William769 Feb 2015 #36
arcane1 Feb 2015 #37
OKNancy Feb 2015 #42
Ramses Feb 2015 #43
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #80
Agschmid Feb 2015 #94
cyberswede Feb 2015 #100
Ramses Feb 2015 #101
cyberswede Feb 2015 #103
NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #107
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PragmaticLiberal Feb 2015 #41
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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:39 PM

1. Please edit your subject line stat - it's punking the board.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:40 PM

4. sorry about that.

 

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Response to Ramses (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:42 PM

7. Thank you

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:39 PM

2. more from the article

 

In her speech, she recalled campaigning for "teenage celibacy" a decade ago. She emphasized "the important role that parents can play in encouraging their children to abstain from sexual activity. … Research shows that the primary reason that teenage girls abstain is because of their religious and moral values. We should embrace this—and support programs that reinforce the idea that abstinence at a young age is not just the smart thing to do, it is the right thing to do."



These are Hillary's OWN WORDS.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:39 PM

3. Please fix the title of your thread

 

it makes the whole page go wonky unless people hide it.

Hint: Put the link in the body

Not being mean, just trying to help, and interesting article.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:40 PM

5. Yep, sorry about that

 

I realized my error when posting. Fixed

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Response to Ramses (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:44 PM

8. Fantastic

 

Wasn't trying to be a pain in the ass, it just whacked out the board LOL

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:42 PM

6. Mother Superior at a Catholic Girls School? Yes. President? No.

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:46 PM

9. What was Hillary thinking, promoting the idea that Women have a right to their own body.

Doesnt she realize white, upper middle class men dont give a shit about that!

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Response to randys1 (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:48 PM

12. Her own words suggest she doesnt think much of a woman's right to her body

 

She is preaching abstinence like the republicans.She goes on to call abortion "sad and tragic". That doesnt sound supportive to me at all

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Response to Ramses (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:50 PM

16. Except that she supports the right of Women to make the final decision and to have birth control

Right?


Of course she is pandering, show me a politician, other than Bernie, who doesnt...

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Response to Ramses (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:13 PM

62. bullshit. Her voting record on the issue speaks for itself.

Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

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Response to still_one (Reply #62)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:16 PM

63. Where do these lists come from? Ive seen them before with no links

 

or quotations to anything supporting it.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:26 PM

66. Organization called OnTheIssues.org. They straight up.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:26 PM

67. just google Hillary on the issues. It isn't that difficult to find

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Response to Ramses (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:49 PM

91. Google...

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Response to Ramses (Reply #63)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:36 PM

126. The most credible of All

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Response to Ramses (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:43 PM

76. There's that "triangulation" B.S. again. Bernie will neva go wobbly the way Hillary does when trollin 4 voters who don't share progressive ideals.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:27 PM

83. I preach abstinence to my daughter too, does that make me a Republican?

 

I think teenage girls (and boys) having sex is not the best idea. I also support her being educated about, and having access to birth control in case she doesn't follow my advice.

What's wrong with that?

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Response to Ramses (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:48 PM

90. Sounds like she is just allowing women to choose... real "republican" of her.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:06 PM

98. Abortion is sad and tragic and you are so very wrong here.

Have you had one Ramses? Do you know anyone that has? I do. The decision is heart breathtakingly painful. It is an agonizing choice for a woman. Her choice her body. Hillary understands that.

Do not equate her to a Republican.That is just false. You take something she said 10 years ago and make an Op. That is so sad.

Your quote is out of context with the rest of the article and funny thing, it was written by a man. A man.

Shame on you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #98)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:11 PM

99. Abortion isn't sad and tragic to every woman.

I don't think Hillary's position on choice is the same as a Republican stance, but it's not true that abortion is an agonizing choice to everyone. I hope Hillary understands that, too.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:49 PM

14. Yabut she can genuflect like it's nobody's business.

 

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:47 PM

10. Instead of the very failed hatchet job, let's hear about this in Hillary's own words.



We get your disdain, but half truths only look bad on you.

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Response to William769 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:49 PM

15. she is talking about bringing down the rate of abortions.

 

Her own words in your post support the article I posted

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Response to Ramses (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:54 PM

22. SO, what is wrong with bringing down the rate of abortions?

It doesn't mean she wants them to stop, just that with birth control or abstinence, they won't happen.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:47 PM

79. There's NOT A THING wrong w/ aborting an unwanted pregnancy, so why the need 2 bring the # down? And why pander 2 people who think that way?

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:18 PM

82. I think the idea is to prevent unwanted pregnency

Not to take away the ability to have an abortion. I agree there is nothing wrong with having an abortion but using birth control and practicing safe sex are a way to avoid unwanted pregnancy that are a result of lower education and access to birth control.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:30 PM

85. Some of us are pro-choice and believe that abortions are undesirable.

 


I don't think that that position is inconsistent with anything the Democratic party stands for.

I don;t personally approve of abortion as mere birth control, but that I still think women have the right to it, regardless of my personal feelings on the matter.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #85)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:39 PM

87. I respect that.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:56 PM

95. Birth control is safer

and better. Abortion is a surgery. Probably more expensive, more time consuming and more traumatic. Nothing wrong with promoting birth control as the first line of defense.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:55 PM

105. The idea is to give men and women enough education about how to prevent pregnancy

and give them access to what they need in order to do so. It makes more sense to prevent pregnancy from ever happening. Give them education and access to birth control, along with the knowledge of how to properly use it, and the abortion rate should fall. Does that mean eliminate them? No.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:58 PM

27. What's wrong with that?

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Response to Ramses (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:00 PM

54. So, what's the problem with that?

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Response to Ramses (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:19 PM

64. and there is nothing wrong with that. Her voting record has been consistently pro-choice by the way

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Response to Ramses (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:50 PM

92. Whats wrong with that?

Please feel free to fill me in...

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Response to William769 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:51 PM

18. thank you!

that EDITORIAL/opinion writer ( in an article from 10 years ago) is twisting what she said.

All she is saying is we should educate girls so abortions don't happen.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:53 PM

21. I encourage everyone to read the entire piece. The OP is being misleading

 

And making me defend Hillary

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:52 PM

93. LOL... I know right!

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:57 PM

24. I posted the link to the article

 

I posted her OWn WORDS. Im not twisting ANYTHING she is saying. I posted VERBATIM what Hillary said.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:01 PM

31. You keep telling yourself that.

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Response to William769 (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:02 PM

33. Today must be "Invent Reasons to Bash DUers Day"

 

It's everywhere!

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:05 PM

36. Depends on the subject matter is to me.

But going after DUER'S that post stuff like this, is a fun sport. They think we are not paying attention. But we are.

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Response to William769 (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:05 PM

37. Agreed!

 

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Response to Ramses (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:17 PM

42. not really.. you posted a ten year old link to an opinion column

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:24 PM

43. I posted HER OWN WORDS.

 

Can you show me anything recently that has changed her mind abortion? Woman's body. Woman's right to abortion. It should NEVER be just "rare" as Hillary wants it. Abortion is a woman's right period. For any reason she chooses.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:50 PM

80. Thank you! President Sanders will be a champion 4 protectin a woman's right to choose.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:22 PM

100. She doesn't mean the right to abortion should be rare...

she means the need for abortion should be rare. In other words, in an ideal world, unwanted pregnancies would be rare. I don't know many people who would disagree with that.

Of course abortion is a woman's right for any reason she chooses. That doesn't diminish the fact that it's easier not to have an unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #100)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:25 PM

101. But that is not what she said.

 

Hillary stated that abortions should be in "very rare circumstances" and "ever". She also doesnt seem to understand the US constitution very well. Abortion was a Supreme Court decision. Its not in the Constitution. I would think she would know basic facts like that

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Response to Ramses (Reply #101)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:34 PM

103. Er...ok...



Plenty of people have handed you your ass in this thread. I shan't kick it again.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #103)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:25 AM

107. We've all heard of multi-tasking.

It's rare that we get to see multi-assing, a skill the OP is obviously adept at.

No matter how many times his ass gets whupped, kicked, and handed to him, he always seems to have another ass at-the-ready to be whupped, kicked, and handed to him. You almost have to admire that rare ability to "turn the other cheek" over and over - and over and over and over.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #107)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:27 AM

109. your narrative is like a kindergarten book

 

multi-assing?
repeating over five times?

Writing skills must have eluded you in school

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Response to Ramses (Reply #109)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 09:45 AM

116. What would you know about writing skills ...

... given the fact that you obviously have no reading comprehension skills?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #107)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:59 AM

123. ROFL!




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Response to Ramses (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:31 PM

71. Wow.

Just wow.

You really got hold of the wrong end of the stick here.

But carry on.

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Response to William769 (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:22 AM

112. Well that's at least half-right.

 

- Only she's the half-truther in this scenario. Or should I say that she's a deft user of the Clinton Triangulation Process®©. The process that derives 51%, fifty-one percent of the time.

Except when it doesn't......

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:47 PM

11. really now?

 

Hillary Clinton on Abortion

Issues where Jeb disagrees with Hillary Clinton. (Dec 2014)
Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care. (Apr 2008)
Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude. (Apr 2008)
Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy. (Apr 2008)
Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions. (Mar 2008)
Consistently uses Dem. Party line, "safe, legal, and rare". (Mar 2008)
1974: pro-choice fervency not based on any personal abortion. (Jul 2007)
1999: keep abortion safe, legal & rare into next century. (Jul 2007)
Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases. (Jun 2007)
1993:Early action on abortion rights ended Right’s dominance. (Jun 2007)
Personally would never abort; but deeply values choice. (Jun 2007)
Abortion is a sad, tragic choice to many women. (May 2007)
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too. (Nov 2006)
Partial birth exceptions for life-threatening abnormalities. (Apr 2006)
Government should have no role in abortion decision. (Oct 2005)
We can find common ground on abortion issue. (Sep 2005)
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania. (Nov 2003)
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice. (Oct 2000)
Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk. (Oct 2000)
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose. (Jan 2000)
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare. (Jan 1999)
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. (Jan 1999)
Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems. (Jan 1999)
Contraception

1993 health plan included RU-486 & widely available abortion. (Jul 2007)
Fought for years to get “Plan B” contraceptive on the market. (Dec 2006)
Prevention First Act: federal funds for contraception. (Oct 2006)
Advocates birth control but OK with faith-based disagreement. (Nov 2003)
Supports parental notice & family planning. (Feb 1997)
Cairo Document: right to abortion but not as family planning. (Sep 1996)
No abortion for sex selection in China. (Apr 1996)
Voting Record

Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women. (Apr 2001)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims. (Sep 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities. (Apr 2007)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception. (Jan 2009)

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:48 PM

13. AND....

 

Hillary Clinton on Civil Rights

Women in Public Service Project: 50% of officials by 2050. (Nov 2013)
1998: Hillary predicted female President in near future. (Oct 2007)
1962: met MLK Jr. preaching a sermon in Chicago. (Jul 2007)
1995: Politely criticized China’s human rights. (Jun 2007)
Developmental thread: tragedy of race must be made right. (Jun 2007)
Pushing for privacy bill of rights. (Jun 2006)
Professional woman AND hostess; feminist AND traditionalist. (Nov 2003)
Crack down on sex trafficking of women and girls. (Jan 2000)
Human rights are women’s rights. (Jan 2000)
Women’s rights are human rights. (Dec 1999)
Support National Endowment for the Arts. (Feb 1997)
Sex selection, prostitution & war rape: human rights issues. (Sep 1995)
Women's suffrage was 72-year struggle, but not a shot fired. (Sep 1993)
Affirmative Action

OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism". (Aug 2009)
Heads movement of women looking to America's true promise. (Aug 2009)
Equal pay is not yet equal. (Jan 2008)
MLK recognized that working within the system was necessary. (Jan 2008)
Compiled “Handbook on Legal Rights for Arkansas Women”. (Nov 2007)
Hillary wanted Bill’s cabinet to “Look Like America”. (Oct 2007)
Founded Vital Voices Initiative with Madeleine Albright. (Sep 2007)
1965: brought black classmates to all-white church. (Jul 2007)
We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go. (Jun 2007)
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA. (Jun 2007)
Create a pipeline for more women in leadership. (Oct 2005)
1972: Worked with Edelman on school desegregation in South. (Nov 2003)
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now. (Oct 2000)
First chair of ABA Commission on Women and the Profession. (Aug 1999)
Raised issues of gender compensation gap at 1970s Rose Law. (Nov 1997)
Affirmative living: involve entire village against racism. (Sep 1996)
Gay Rights

I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage. (Jun 2014)
We have all evolved on gay marriage since 1990s. (Jun 2014)
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union. (Jun 2013)
I support gay marriage personally and as law. (Mar 2013)
Telling kids about gay couples is parental discretion. (Sep 2007)
Positive about civil unions, with full equality of benefits. (Aug 2007)
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds. (Aug 2007)
GLBT progress since 2000, when I marched in gay pride parade. (Aug 2007)
Supports DOMA, which Bill Clinton signed. (Jul 2007)
Don’t ask don’t tell was an important transition step. (Jun 2007)
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex. (May 2007)
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards. (Oct 2006)
Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight. (Nov 2003)
End hate crimes and other intolerance. (Sep 2000)
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits. (Feb 2000)
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation. (Dec 1999)
Voting Record

Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning. (Jan 2010)
Op-ed: Sposnored flag-burning bill for centrist credential. (May 2006)
Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all. (Aug 2000)
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees. (Dec 2007)
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements. (Jan 2008)

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:50 PM

17. From 2005. And you're grossly distorting what that article said.

 

Not to mention ignoring her work on women's rights as Secretary of State.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:53 PM

20. I posted HER OWN WORDS.

 

HOW are HER OWN WORDS distorting anything? Sounds like you dont want to her what she is saying, which is not at all supportive of women's rights. She wants abortions "rare" and supports abstinence.

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Response to Ramses (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:58 PM

28. she's advocating greater access to contraception and better education.

 

How many parents want their 14 year old children to be out having sex or think it's a positive thing that they do so?

24 year olds are barely mature enough to make good decisions in that arena.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:01 PM

32. "24 year olds are barely mature enough to make good decisions in that arena. "

 

Youre saying an adult woman is barely capable of making decisions about her own body?

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Response to Ramses (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:03 PM

34. Men and women are not terribly mature at that age.

 

They obviously have the right to make their own decisions.

Do you think parents should encourage their 13 year old children to have sex? Do you think 14 year olds have the emotional maturity and judgment to make good decisions in that area?

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Response to Ramses (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:17 PM

41. Don't we all want abortions to be rare?

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Response to PragmaticLiberal (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:33 PM

44. No, abortion is a woman's right period

 

For ANY reason she chooses. Not "rare" according to someone's elses ideas of what a woman can do with her body. Its funny the ideas of some that think a woman's right to her own body should be "rare" and that abortion is "tragic and sad", accourding to Hillary. Abortion is a medical procedure, and its a woman's right.

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Response to PragmaticLiberal (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:26 PM

102. I think most people want unwanted pregnancies to be rare.

Naturally, fewer unwanted pregnancies would lead to fewer abortions. But the choice should always be available.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #102)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:14 AM

118. I agree.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:52 PM

19. No fan of hers, but in context she's talking about access to contraception

 

Specifically the "global gag rule" that makes it harder to get basic contraception in aid-receiving countries.

So I don't think those quotes, in context, are much of a problem.

Can you explain what was wrong about what she said?

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:54 PM

23. She specifically is talking about abortion.

 

Her own words are right there to read. Im not saying anything is wrong with what she said. Its her opinions Im posting. IN her own words

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Response to Ramses (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:59 PM

30. So, what is she saying about abortion?

 

That there would be fewer of them if access to contraception was easier. It's true.


That's all the defense I hope to make today. There are valid criticisms of Clinton, but this seems a bit of a stretch.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:04 PM

35. No, that is NOT what she said.

 

Hillary said she wants abortion "rare" and thinks abstinence education is the way women should control their own bodies. Does that sound remotely empowering to you? Its sounds exactly like something a right winger would say

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Response to Ramses (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:07 PM

39. You should try reading your own link. There is more than what you posted.

 

Posted rather selectively, I might add


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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:57 PM

25. More out of context bullshit

Don't worry, though, Jeb Bush will love abstinence education and banning abortion when he's president.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:58 PM

26. I just read the excerpted section; but, what's the problem? ...

 

I'll re-visit this after more women have had a chance to weight in.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:59 PM

29. There -is- a war on women. I am not at all sure that teenage celibacy addresses it

Honestly, I think teenage celibacy as a cause of undermining women is a PROVEN failed argument that comes from people indoctrinated with rightwing ideologies.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:07 PM

38. Nice try, but she's earned A ratings from EMILY's List and...

 

Planned Parenthood. Not to mention her global crusade as a women's rights advocate.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:42 AM

113. Hillary's been on a "global crusade"? Maybe that explains the extreme violence perpetrated against Muslim women w/ hardly a peep from her as SoS.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:10 PM

40. No fan of HRC, but really hate half-truth hatchet jobs like your OP

I expect to see this kind of bullshit attack on Fox News. Saddens me to see DU'ers use the same tactics

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:35 PM

45. ITs HER OWN WORDS

 

that I posted. How is posting VERBATIM what Hillary thinks about abortion a "hatchet job"

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Response to Ramses (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:53 PM

47. HER OWN WORDS out of context

Thereby misrepresenting Clinton's position on reproductive rights.

That's how Fox hosts do it too. Out of context quotes, selective quotation.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:20 PM

48. I posted the entire article for anyone to read

 

I posted quotes directly from the article. There is nothing "out of context". Its there for anyone to read. Even when her OWN words are right there for anyone to read, you STILL say Im "misrepresenting" her. Maybe you dont like what she thinks about it and are attacking me for posting her own words.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:03 PM

55. !!!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:30 AM

121. Yup...nt

Sid

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:03 PM

56. +1000. This is fucking ridiculous. n/t

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:38 PM

46. more "progressive" rabble rousing

some of you really do live in a bubble with your own definitions of words and events.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:39 PM

75. good thing EW endorsed HRC and WILL NOT be running for President of the United States.

 

and those leftist extremists have no influence when it comes to electing sensible centrists.
what, you worry?

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Response to reddread (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:11 PM

124. what, why would I worry?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:40 PM

49. There's a website called Discussionist.

You and your posts would fit right in over there. They'd be high 5-ing your BS.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:47 PM

50. I posted VERBATIM Hillary's OWN WORDS

 

Maybe you don't like the fact that Hillary's own words are there for everyone to see. And Ive not heard of that website, nor do I care to post there

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:57 PM

52. LOL

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:59 PM

53. Dont'cha just LOVE it when ...

... someone attempts to smear a Democrat with "their own words", when it's obvious the detractor doesn't understand what those words mean?

Abortion should be safe, legal and rare. This has been the Democratic stance on the topic for decades. "Safe" as in performed by a competent doctor, "legal" as in it being a woman's right to have one, and "rare" in that sex education and contraception lead to fewer abortions being necessary when women know how to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

By posting this OP (in a rather blatant attempt to "smear" Hillary), did you honestly believe that any liberal/progressive would respond by saying, "Democrats want MORE abortions!!! Abortions should be plentiful!!! Let's increase the number of abortions!!!"

It is widely understood that the concept of Democrats being pro-abortion (as opposed to pro-choice) is a popular meme in certain circles, and among members of a certain political party. It is also widely understood that members of a certain political party are not especially adept at reading comprehension and, as a result thereof, lack the ability to understand what they read.

Perhaps you posted this here in error, and meant to post it elsewhere - like on a site where "Democrats are pro-abortion, the more the merrier" is the accepted "wisdom", and any Democrat calling for abortion to be rare is interpreted as being anti-Democrat.

You might want to keep your websites straight - to avoid posting bullshit like this on the wrong one.






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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:04 PM

57. Right?

 

No matter how many times they lose this game, they play it again as if it had just been invented

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:07 PM

60. I believe the OP is sincere

I believe he or she believes that if you don't believe abortions should be plentiful you are illiberal.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:19 PM

65. That's rather scary

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:28 PM

69. He or she seems to be arguing women should use abortion in lieu of contraception.

I'm not a gynecologist but I can't help but believe that has to be awful for a woman's body.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:31 PM

70. I'm willing to entertain the possibility the OP doesn't actually know what an abortion is.

 

I mean, even just the hassle of taking the time to have one is something people would want to keep to a minimum.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:04 PM

58. ^^^^^^

That left a mark.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:13 PM

61. +100!

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:56 PM

106. Done!



Well Done.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:05 PM

59. In honor of this most (insert word here) thread.




Get it?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:26 PM

68. When the pressure was on, Hillary voted for a war that killed thousands of women

 

Someone will probably post a list of bills she supported. What they won't say is that there are dozens of other Democrats who voted for those bills. Most of them are straight party-line votes or unanimous bipartisan support. Those were easy votes, much easier than any choice she would have to make as president.

She'll support anything unless it costs her political points, then the wind changes and she does a 180. When the pressure was on and she had the ability to speak out against a war that killed thousands of women (including over 100 in our own armed forces), she voted for war like a coward rather than really standing up for women.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:33 PM

72. When the pressure was on, John Kerry and Joe Biden voted for a war that killed thousands of women...

When the pressure was on, John Kerry and Joe Biden voted for a war that killed thousands of men and women and Barack Obama rewarded them by making them one and four heartbeats from the presidency.


Just say no to selective outrage.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #72)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:44 PM

77. And they are also unworthy of being president

 

One has the dubious honor of losing to Chimpy. He was a terrible candidate because he showed the same weakness during the general election that he showed during the war debate. I like Joe Biden on a personal level but come on, he's a gaffe machine. Way too dangerous a person to give the nomination.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:29 PM

84. You are to be applauded for your consistency. It's a rare and redeeming quality./NT

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:59 PM

97. Well like someone up thread said he is pretty damn close to the position...

and it's likely you voted for him, so...

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #77)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:49 AM

114. Yes, a vote 4 the IWR is a deal killa 4 me-shows a complete lack of judgment necessary 2 be Prez & keep our country safe.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:34 PM

73. what dribble. The point of this thread was a distortion of her position on abortion, and women's

rights, and you come to the conclusion this is the same thing as her position on the IWR.

Not very sound reasoning at all

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Response to still_one (Reply #73)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:46 PM

78. That isn't at all what I said

 

I said she has no principles. She just supports women when it's feasible for her to do so. When supporting women becomes politically inconvenient, she chickens out.

I want someone brave, not cowardly.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #78)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:57 PM

81. Thanks for the clarification. I disagree, she has always been consistent on women's issues

As far as the main issue, you have a point, but I would venture to say most politicians do that.

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are not politicians


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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #78)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:52 AM

115. Terrorized Muslim women all ova the ME & elsewhere know all too well how Hillary as SoS was AWOL on women's rights.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:37 PM

74. Is this amateur hour?



Talk about bringing your D- game.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:31 PM

86. and what toppings do you want on your pizza?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:43 PM

88. "Women's rights are human rights"

---Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton, nor any other woman, is not going to let the likes of you tell us what rights we are supposed to care about. You ignored her entire record and cherry picked quotes to fit your craven political purposes. You hate Clinton. Whatever, but when you use women as pawns in your relentless obsession with contests among political elites, that pisses me off. I am not a football for your power games. Thanks to you, I have finally gotten off the fence and have decided to support Clinton. I'll make my first check to her campaign in your name.

I guess feeling one's privilege slipping away leads some to act desperately.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #88)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:46 PM

89. It's insulting to women to suggest they want to use abortion in lieu of contraception...

It's insulting to women to suggest they want to use abortion in lieu of contraception as a form of birth control.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:57 PM

96. LOL. Why don't you post the subject of the article. Go ahead and summarize it for us.

 

Seriously she was speaking about the horrible conditions in dictatorships, maybe you should go back and read a 10 year old article first before posting it.

So are you saying HRC is wrong in those instances? What would you do to force China to follow humanitarian laws? Just let the state decide who gets to live and die?

She is pro-woman, anyone that pays even the remotest attention knows that!

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:55 PM

104. Cool story, bro

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:16 AM

108. Kick for how Hillary really feels.

 

Abortion is "a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women," said Clinton. Then she went further: "There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances."

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Response to Ramses (Reply #108)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:33 AM

122. Well, there *is* no reason why government can't do more to educate, inform, and provide assistance

Is there?

If unwanted pregnancies are prevented, then the choice doesn't have to be exercised.

Clearly, you want to make this into something it isn't.

Attention-seeking behavior, I guess. (including your pitiful self-kick).

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:11 AM

110. OMG! And here I thought Hillary was promising an abortion in every uterus

and a chicken in every pot. Good thing you set me straight. I will start looking for that dream candidate who will encourage women to use abortion for birth control the way they did in the USSR. Because we needs to plan ahead when they can go get an invasive surgical procedure?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:12 AM

111. Silliest splitter thread ever at DU. And that is saying something.

Anyone who thinks they are gonna split women from Hillary with something like this needs to find a different hobby.

Unless, of course, this is supposed to make those who hate Hillary for being a woman feel better about themselves. I.e. make them think that they are defending women from the evil Hillary.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 10:20 AM

117. God, if this is the ethics of those who oppose Hillary, I'll be double checking if they say the sky

 

is blue. Lord the mendacity.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:19 AM

119. This didn't go the way you hoped for, did it?

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:22 AM

120. FUD'ers gonna FUD...

BRAAAAAAINNNNNNSSSSS!!!!

Sid

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:16 PM

125. Please keep an eye on how Manny does it.

 

You could learn a lot.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 03:48 PM

127. That's a blatant distortion of Hillary Clinton's support for

reproductive choice. Very poorly done, too.

Most parents of teenagers are for "teenage celibacy," for whatever good that does. Most parents are also for contraception when their children have sex, to prevent pregnancy and the need for abortion. Hillary has the same idea. You've gotten this whole thing so badly wrong, it's embarrassing.

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 06:56 PM

128. Kick...



Sid

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Response to Ramses (Original post)

Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:16 AM

129. Are you there, hello, hello?

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