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another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:05 PM Jan 2015

Ukraine raises stakes, calls on World to declare Russia "Aggressor State."

Ukraine is mincing words again. Why don't they just cut to the chase and demand everyone declare war on the Russian Federation, with the precaution of sending all NATO heads of State to their protective bunkers first, it goes without saying. Seriously though, isn't Ukraine getting a little too apocalyptic in its stance toward the Russians? Are we really going to let this gang of fascists and bankers' stooges take the Twenty-first Century into a general European war?



Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada Parliament (RIA Novosti)


Ukrainian MPs call on UN, NATO & PACE to recognize Russia as ‘aggressor state’



The Ukrainian parliament has addressed UN, NATO and other international organizations to recognize Russia as “an aggressor state” in the Ukrainian conflict. The majority of MPs voted in favor of the move. The initiative was supported by 271 out of 289 deputies present at the vote in the Verkhovna Rada on Tuesday.

The deputies issued a statement, addressed to the United Nations, the European Parliament, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, the GUAM Parliamentary Assembly and international parliaments. "Legal recognition as an aggressor state entails consequences as provided for under the 1974 UN resolution and the UN charter," said Oleg Lyashko, Radical Party leader and a member of the governing coalition. The UN's 1974 resolution, which defines the act of aggression, stresses that the definition isn't binding under international law and is just guidance that the UN Security Council isn’t obliged to follow.

MPs also recommended Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to submit a parliamentary motion on “declaring a state of war and implementation of martial law on the entire territory of Ukraine until the cessation of Russia’s armed aggression against Ukraine.” The Ukrainian MPs blamed Moscow for supporting terrorism and jeopardizing international security by blocking the activities of the UN Security Council. They also urged Ukraine’s Western backers to put more pressure on Russia “through the introduction of new sectoral restrictions and sanctions in order to stop the Russian aggression and force the Russian leadership to fully implement the Minsk agreements; end the illegal occupation of the Crimea; release all the hostages and people illegally detained on the Russian territory.”

In the statement, the MPs addressed the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to restrict Russian delegation’s powers in the PACE until Moscow stops ignoring “demands of the democratic community.” They called on foreign partners to provide Ukraine’s with military assistance to strengthening its defense capabilities and humanitarian assistance for the affected civilian population and internally displaced people.

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Read more at: http://rt.com/news/226743-ukraine-russia-aggressor-state/




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Ukraine raises stakes, calls on World to declare Russia "Aggressor State." (Original Post) another_liberal Jan 2015 OP
Well, they are...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #1
well they are that, an ‘aggressor state’ nt Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #2
Russia IS an aggressor state Terra Alta Jan 2015 #3
Yes they are an aggressor state. zappaman Jan 2015 #4
seems accurate Throd Jan 2015 #5
Holy Hannah...they do want war with Russia. I wonder why they didn't issue their snappyturtle Jan 2015 #6
Yeah, we are the ones who set this whole scary business in motion . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #9
You know a_l this Russia ba-a-a-a-d mindset here on DU over Ukraine snappyturtle Jan 2015 #16
Recommend... KoKo Jan 2015 #23
+1 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #25
"we are the ones who set this whole scary business in motion" We? Bullshit. Russia did. FSogol Jan 2015 #17
Not necessarily JonLP24 Jan 2015 #19
Good work! another_liberal Jan 2015 #21
maybe if Russia wasn't..you know backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #7
It says Russia is an Aggressor State in RT? edhopper Jan 2015 #8
When Sweden, the most dovish country in the world, ramps up it's military spending,,,,, Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #10
Maybe they want the extra forces to fend us off . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #11
They're afraid the Russians will take Gotland Nevernose Jan 2015 #12
Modern Russia is simply not an expansionist power . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #14
The long history of Imperial, Soviet, and modern Russian imperialistic actions says otherwise. hobbit709 Jan 2015 #22
Of course mythology Jan 2015 #26
The Atlantic: After Crimea, Sweden Flirts With Joining NATO Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #13
Like they would openly say they were arming in order to stay independent of NATO? another_liberal Jan 2015 #15
Can we declare Ukraine "Most tedious state" Bragi Jan 2015 #18
The people who live in the Donbass region should get to choose . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #20
Recommend for example of West's interests in promoting Ukrainian Agression....n/t KoKo Jan 2015 #24

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
3. Russia IS an aggressor state
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jan 2015

and fascist to boot.

Putin, if he had his way, would unite the former USSR into one huge totalitarian fascist state.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
6. Holy Hannah...they do want war with Russia. I wonder why they didn't issue their
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jan 2015

statement to the U.S. Congress....oh, my bad, they are our puppets. Sadly, the Ukranian Parliament may learn the meaning of Russian aggression. Idiots.

Edit: McCain is probably risking a heart attack jumping up and down with glee.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
9. Yeah, we are the ones who set this whole scary business in motion . . .
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jan 2015

The MIC thinks it wants this war too, the power-mad, greed-crazed fools. The big boys and fat cats doing the driving sure do act like it at least.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
16. You know a_l this Russia ba-a-a-a-d mindset here on DU over Ukraine
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jan 2015

troubles me. It got me to thinking about where people are learning of all the "invading" by Russia...THE AGRESSOR! So, I Googled, "Russia invades Ukraine". I went three pages deep into the search and there is nothing other than accusations and some fuzzy images. Too similar to the "proof" Colin Powell presented to the U.N. a few years back. I think the U.S. media has been called off the subject. Didn't find even ONE news reference on my Google search accredited to our MSM cable news! You and I both know that if there was an invasion going on those media types would be in Ukraine up close and personal.

I found this interesting article penned by several credible authors, one, WIlliam Binney. You may find it interesting. http://www.thenation.com/article/181437/state-department-says-russia-invading-ukraine-should-we-believe-them

I am 67 yrs. old....lived through the Cold War....I was 'trained' as a child to be extremely fearful of the USSR and China. A lot of that fear stuck with me over the years. I was programmed to believe what is being espoused but the reporting doesn't make sense...I can't fit the square peg into the round hole, so to speak. Well, keep up your good efforts. Maybe a few will bother to see what is really going on.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
19. Not necessarily
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jan 2015

I don't blame "we" except for picking a side. We should be out of the business of picking sides, especially regarding this or anything related to the post-Yugoslavia Wars.

The 17 December 2013 Ukrainian–Russian action plan is a de facto defunct[1][2] treaty between the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Vladimir Putin on 17 December 2013 whereby it was agreed that Russia would buy $15 billion of Ukrainian Eurobonds and that the cost of Russian natural gas supplied to Ukraine would be lowered to $268 per 1,000 cubic metres (the price was more than $400 at the time).[3][4] The deal relinquished Ukraine's Kerch peninsula to the Russian Navy, granting Russia highly desirable warm-water ports and strategic access to the Mediterranean and beyond.[5][6] The treaty was signed amid massive, ongoing protests in Ukraine for closer ties between Ukraine and the European Union.[7] The interest rate on the loan would be renegotiated every three months, based on a verbal agreement between the two leaders.[5]

The treaty is de facto defunct since Russia has halted its purchase of Eurobonds since the ousting of President Yanukovich of 22 February 2014 and in April 2014, the Russian natural gas discount was cancelled.[1][2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_December_2013_Ukrainian%E2%80%93Russian_action_plan

Protesters fought back against police who tried to dismantle barricades on the square's perimeter - rolling tires into flames to fuel a wall of fire that prevented police from advancing. A building used by the protesters caught fire.

Earlier in the day, clashes broke out as crowds tried to march toward parliament. Young men wearing ski masks and helmets attacked the police with sticks, stones and Molotov cocktails, according to local news reports.

The Ukranian Protests in Riveting Pictures As evening fell, protest leaders called on followers to rush to Maidan Square, but, anticipating violence, urged women and children to leave. According to the Russian news agency Interfax, some 20,000 people remained in the square as the deadline passed. The protesters lit up the sky by launching firewords at the police lines. The cops with a barrage of water cannons.

Embattled President Viktor Yanukovich has pledged to meet with opposition leaders on Wednesday morning, according to Interfax.

The clashes came as opposition lawmakers tried to change the constitution to limit President Viktor Yanukovich’s powers. Lawmakers said those efforts were stymied.

The protests erupted in late November after the Ukranian president backed away from a plan to strike a trade deal with the European Union. Instead, he bowed to Russian pressure and pledged to join a Russia-led customs union. Moscow also offered Ukraine billions of dollars in badly needed loans as the country faces default.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140219020800/http://abcnews.go.com/International/ukraine-violence-leaves-dead/story?id=22566049

It also goes back further

The Orange Revolution (Ukrainian: Помаранчева революція, Pomarancheva revolyutsiya) was a series of protests and political events that took place in Ukraine from late November 2004 to January 2005, in the immediate aftermath of the run-off vote of the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election which was claimed to be marred by massive corruption, voter intimidation and direct electoral fraud. Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, was the focal point of the movement's campaign of civil resistance, with thousands of protesters demonstrating daily.[5] Nationwide, the democratic revolution was highlighted by a series of acts of civil disobedience, sit-ins, and general strikes organized by the opposition movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
21. Good work!
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 08:11 AM
Jan 2015

Your quotes do seem to omit mention of American and EU manipulation of the events . . . of course, that part of the story wasn't covered much by Western media anyway.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,220 posts)
10. When Sweden, the most dovish country in the world, ramps up it's military spending,,,,,
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jan 2015

you realize that Ukraine has a valid point.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
11. Maybe they want the extra forces to fend us off . . .
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jan 2015

Judging by recent history, we are a great deal more likely to attack them than is Russia.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
12. They're afraid the Russians will take Gotland
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jan 2015

Which is an island in the Baltic Sea. It is key to conrolling hat sea, and Russia has been "making moves" towards taking it by force. If that happens, we would be unable to help our Baltic State NATO allies in any meaningful way. They're afraid of this because of Putin's expansionism.

You are 100% correct that we are no better than the Russians and that we arguably worse. However, you're forgetting about Crimea, Ukraine, Georgia, Ossetia, Chechnya...Sweden has every reason to be afraid.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
14. Modern Russia is simply not an expansionist power . . .
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jan 2015

Every so-called "Russian Aggression" from the South Ossetian war with Georgia to the reunification with Crimea has in fact been thoroughly defensive in nature. They were not aggression at all, rather they were reactions to hostile moves and aimed at protecting Russia's independence and sovereignty from the same enemy Russia has always had to face: Determinedly expansionist powers from the West.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
26. Of course
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jan 2015

Poor little Putin is just so picked on. I'm sure it's somehow the U.S.'s fault that he had to throw a band in jail for protesting him too.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,220 posts)
13. The Atlantic: After Crimea, Sweden Flirts With Joining NATO
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jan 2015
Officials worry that the Swedish military is woefully unprepared for a Russian attack

Non-aligned since the early 19th century, Sweden's "splendid isolation" has endured two world wars and even the five-decade superpower slugfest that dominated the late 20th century. That could change, however, in the wake of Russia's intervention in Ukraine. Last week, Swedish Finance Minister Anders Borg indicated that the defense budget, to which he had recently announced cuts, would be increased as a result of the crisis. Deputy Prime Minister Jan Björklund also publicly floated the idea of Swedish membership in NATO, warning that Russia could attempt to seize Gotland, a strategically located Swedish island province in the Baltic Sea, if it chose to attack the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Sverker Göransson, the supreme commander of Sweden's military, has rejected Björklund's call for a change to the country's defense doctrine.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/after-crimea-sweden-flirts-with-joining-nato/284362/

Nice try, though.
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
15. Like they would openly say they were arming in order to stay independent of NATO?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jan 2015

That wouldn't be very bright, now would it? They are most likely merely, "Going along to get along."

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
18. Can we declare Ukraine "Most tedious state"
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jan 2015

I find the constant efforts of the Kiev fascists who ousted the elected Ukraine government to promote war against Russia both tedious and off-putting. I hope they fail, and that Russia resumes control over that region, which has been under Russian control for, what, hundreds of years?

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
20. The people who live in the Donbass region should get to choose . . .
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jan 2015

The people have a right to pick their own government. That is what the United Nations Charter says is so for any national minority. Even before that, however, the fighting has to be brought to a close at once. There are horrifying consequences possible for millions of people if escalation in the violence continues.

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