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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 07:48 AM Jan 2015

Trial Finds CIA Leaker Jeffrey Sterling Guilty, Govt. Claims 'This Case Is Not About Politics'

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trial-finds-cia-leaker-jeffrey-sterling-guilty-9-felony-counts-govt-claims-case

When the jury in the CIA leak trial voted "guilty" on all nine felony counts Monday afternoon, it appeared to buy into a notable claim from the government: "This case is not about politics."

The prosecution made that claim a few days ago in closing arguments — begun with a somber quotation from Condoleezza Rice about the crucial need to stop the spread of nuclear weapons. Of course prosecutor Eric Olshan was not foolish enough to quote Rice’s most famous line: “We don’t want the smoking gun to become a mushroom cloud.”

During the seven days of the trial, which received scant media coverage, Rice attracted the most attention. But little of her testimony actually got out of the courtroom, and little of what did get out illuminated the political context of the government’s case against former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling.

A heavy shroud over this trial — almost hidden by news media in plain sight — has been context: the CIA’s collusion with the Bush White House a dozen years ago, using WMD fear and fabrication to stampede the United States into making war on Iraq.
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Trial Finds CIA Leaker Jeffrey Sterling Guilty, Govt. Claims 'This Case Is Not About Politics' (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2015 OP
K/R marmar Jan 2015 #1
THAT is the crime all these Secrets Trials serve to cover up. Octafish Jan 2015 #2
Now now, you know how the special crew here gets when you mention the BFEE. Rex Jan 2015 #24
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2015 #3
This is important stuff. JEB Jan 2015 #4
Did you read the indictment? What did you find in the indictment that indicates to you msanthrope Jan 2015 #5
More a whistleblower than Dick Cheney JEB Jan 2015 #6
Well...that's a piss poor legal defense, isn't it? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #7
You are sounding like you're in lockstep with secret trials to punish whistleblowers. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #8
Ah, ole 'ms' is a lawyer. Everything is black and white. nt elias49 Jan 2015 #10
"Ole ms?" My, my elias.....given your record of hides for msanthrope Jan 2015 #16
What was secret about this trial? The entire case filings, including msanthrope Jan 2015 #14
It was as secret as the Guvmint could make it 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #43
Yeah, matches your sense of fairness. JEB Jan 2015 #11
If you are run over by a truck tomorrow, should we not prosecute msanthrope Jan 2015 #15
The system tends to let the rich and powerful JEB Jan 2015 #42
Why would you look to the indictment? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #17
Well...for starters, it would inform you as to what acts he is charged for. I mean.... msanthrope Jan 2015 #18
If I were JonLP24 Jan 2015 #20
Okay...disclosing ops, and the identity of an agent in the field is msanthrope Jan 2015 #22
It depends JonLP24 Jan 2015 #25
Not pardoned, commuted by his boss...gee how convenient for him right? Rex Jan 2015 #26
Well..there's why the jury convicted, rejecting the claims of whistleblowing. msanthrope Jan 2015 #27
Well he served 30 days then got commuted. Rex Jan 2015 #28
It was a disgusting display of Cheney's power. Indefensible. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #29
Cheney really frightened me, put me on edge for 8 years. Rex Jan 2015 #31
At some point it will be revealed just what Cheney did to get himself msanthrope Jan 2015 #36
It will be, I hope we are still here and get to discuss the specifics of his exposure. Rex Jan 2015 #38
I don't think that is where the line is drawn JonLP24 Jan 2015 #30
I would hope so, but do you see anyone being held responsible for the act of torture committed by Rex Jan 2015 #33
Not according to statute, but this was a jury trial that relied, in part msanthrope Jan 2015 #34
Oh come on now! You won't give any leniency to a guy that fled to Putinskia Rex Jan 2015 #37
I'm still not convinced Snowden isn't still a pawn in an NSA/CIA turf war...he's stupid msanthrope Jan 2015 #39
Yeah he is in prison, so true. I would LOVE to see him fly to Brazil. Rex Jan 2015 #40
Snowden can go anywhere that will agree to take him. Russia msanthrope Jan 2015 #41
Torturers and torture aren't about politics. When are indictments and trials? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #9
This case has nothing to do with torture. It's about a fired CIA msanthrope Jan 2015 #19
The CIA has a lot to do with torture. Where are those indictments? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #21
It isn't whistleblowing when you try to shake down the CIA for a settlement, msanthrope Jan 2015 #23
From what I've read JonLP24 Jan 2015 #32
They had proof beyond a reasonable doubt. There's a mistake you've made in considering msanthrope Jan 2015 #35
Kick elias49 Jan 2015 #12
Kick!! Too important a story to drop. Nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #13

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. THAT is the crime all these Secrets Trials serve to cover up.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 09:58 AM
Jan 2015

Asshats of the BFEE and Bush lied America into war.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Now now, you know how the special crew here gets when you mention the BFEE.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:27 AM
Jan 2015

Defending the Bush family...um because...they can? Really, I would LOVE for one of our special crew to explain why they defend the warmongering family from Connecticut...but that never comes up with them does it?

H2O Man

(73,511 posts)
3. Recommended.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jan 2015

Thank you for providing this to DUers. It should be -- at very least -- one of the most important discussions right now. More important than, say, deflated footballs.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
5. Did you read the indictment? What did you find in the indictment that indicates to you
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jan 2015

that Mr. Sterling is a whistleblower?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
16. "Ole ms?" My, my elias.....given your record of hides for
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:52 AM
Jan 2015

sexist language over the last few months, is that really what you want to write to me?

To the jury.....a simple search in the box above provided by admin of the username, "rape," and "hidden," will reveal precisely what I am referring to.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
14. What was secret about this trial? The entire case filings, including
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:34 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:05 AM - Edit history (1)

the Risen matter are available online. The trial? Open to the public.

Kindly quote the act, listed in Sterling's indictment, that makes him a whistleblower.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
43. It was as secret as the Guvmint could make it
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)

and the M$M fully cooperated & colluded w/ a blind eye.
Ok, it wasn't as restrictive as Mannings Trial was, but still,
who knew? Why do you think Norm Solomon called Sterling
"The Invisible Man"?

As for searching Sterling's indictment to 'prove' he's a whistle blower, I
won't be wasting my time that way. The US Guvmint did EVERY thing
it could to frame Sterling as 'disgruntled' and "disloyal" to the US,
which is the thanks he got for "going through channels to the Senate
Intelligence Committee in 2003 to inform staffers about the CIA's ill-conceived,
poorly executed and dangerous Operation Merlin, which had given a flawed
design for a nuclear weapons component to Iran back in 2000."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/the-invisible-man-jeffrey_b_6556552.html

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. If you are run over by a truck tomorrow, should we not prosecute
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:36 AM
Jan 2015

or investigate because Cheney walks free? The justice system tends toward multitasking.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
42. The system tends to let the rich and powerful
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jan 2015

and those that do their bidding skate free. Looking out for the common good of the common people, better watch your step.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
17. Why would you look to the indictment?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jan 2015

Wouldn't it be like trying to find out if someone isn't guilty by looking at a police report?

I've read the government's case was largely circumstantial so it probably wouldn't contain hard evidence that he revealed his concerns to James Risen.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. Well...for starters, it would inform you as to what acts he is charged for. I mean....
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:03 AM
Jan 2015

everyone keeps claiming he is a "whistleblower" without providing evidence of an act of whistleblowing.

Here's my question to you...what act discussed in the indictment was whistleblowing?

When discussing a case, are you seriously suggesting that you would rather read someone's opinion than the primary legal documents?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
20. If I were
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:12 AM
Jan 2015

I wouldn't read one entirely one-sided but my knowledge comes from the NY Times article I posted last night and know it revolves around what James Risen reveals in his book describing the Iran operation as "reckless" among other things. So I figure the act would be disclosing classified material to James Risen.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
22. Okay...disclosing ops, and the identity of an agent in the field is
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:21 AM
Jan 2015

not "whistleblowing," even if a reporter thinks it might be a reckless op. Those are crimes. There is no special immunity because it was revealed to a reporter.

Remeber when Scooter Libby revealed Plame's identity?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
25. It depends
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:30 AM
Jan 2015

If someone revealed this (most secret classification at-the-time) -- I'd consider it Whistle Blowing


If they revealed an assassination on a foreign leader, drug trafficking, murder, etc I'd consider it whistle blowing. Valarie Plame not so much plus he wasn't charged under the Espionage Act and was rewarded with a pardon.

On edit - the print is small, that is Project MKULtra in the image.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. Not pardoned, commuted by his boss...gee how convenient for him right?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jan 2015

400 hrs of community service and 2 years probation.

Libby is the highest-ranking White House official convicted in a government scandal since John Poindexter, the national security adviser to President Ronald Reagan in the Iran–Contra affair.

On June 5, 2007, the presiding trial judge, Reggie B. Walton, sentenced Libby to 30 months in federal prison, a fine of $250,000, and two years of supervised release, including 400 hours of community service, and then ordered Libby to begin his sentence immediately.[18] On July 2, 2007, when Libby's appeal of Walton's order failed, President Bush commuted Libby's 30-month prison sentence, leaving the other parts of his sentence intact.[19][20] In commuting Libby's prison term, Bush stated: "I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison. ... My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged."[19] After Libby paid his monetary fine and penalty totaling $250,400, Judge Walton queried aspects of the presidential commutation,[17][21] and lawyers filed their briefs supporting Libby's serving supervised release, resolving the issue and thus clearing the way for Libby to begin the rest of his sentence, the two years of supervised release and 400 hours of community service.[22][23]

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
27. Well..there's why the jury convicted, rejecting the claims of whistleblowing.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:37 AM
Jan 2015

It isn't illegal to stop Iran from getting nukes. Operation Merlin may have been "reckless" (but it worked, apparently) but not illegal.

MKUltra? Not remotely legal.

And I was going to correct you on Libby, but seems Rex beat me to the punch.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Well he served 30 days then got commuted.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:41 AM
Jan 2015

I remember Novakula (how is that for a name from the past?) on CNN crowing about it to I believe a stunned Mark Shields.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Cheney really frightened me, put me on edge for 8 years.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:52 AM
Jan 2015

Running around from one bunker to another. I swear sometimes I would really worry he would somehow press The Button. Dubya loved himself and his wife far too much to do it - but there was such an unsettling feeling I would get from seeing and hearing Cheney on TV.

The shit Scooter Libby must know about all the dirt on the BFEE...got him out of a jam. Saying he is going to be scorned by society is funny considering it was Dubya saying it and you know he is in the Club...so a good job waiting after 30 days in prison.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
36. At some point it will be revealed just what Cheney did to get himself
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:11 AM
Jan 2015

into a position where he could freely loot the Treasury. And that will be a glorious day.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. It will be, I hope we are still here and get to discuss the specifics of his exposure.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:15 AM
Jan 2015

At least history will remember Cheney as the Darth Vader he is and not the kewl Darth Vader kids like in Lego Star Wars. The evil as shit kind that murdered kids when he was young.

Not saying Cheney murdered kids when he was young, but I'm not saying he didn't either. Just saying nothing will surprise me about him or the vast vault of horrors awaiting.

I hope people watched him justify torture on TVEE and put two and two together.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
30. I don't think that is where the line is drawn
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:49 AM
Jan 2015

I'm not even sure if that was his defense or if he was guilty if the case was largely circumstantial but whether the information contained illegal actions hasn't stopped using the Espionage Act such as 4th amendment violations with the NSA or the crimes Chelsea Manning revealed.

As far as me, whistle blowing doesn't necessarily have to be something illegal. It could be something legal but incompetent or anything that would merit concern. If someone released something like MKUltra today you better believe they would be charged under the Espionage Act.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. I would hope so, but do you see anyone being held responsible for the act of torture committed by
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:00 AM
Jan 2015

the CIA? Or what about the CIA spying on Congress? Why is that not being worked on as a serious breach of protocol? As of now, I am not convinced anyone would be brought up on charges. Not when the CIA is involved, things seem to just go by the wayside. Ever notice that?

I am uneasy by the lack of haste toward punishing those that are primarily responsible. The DoJ has gone after Wall Street, so it is not like they cannot tackle big groups. I guess the CIA is all handled internally, so if you blow the whistle...you went outside the unwritten rule of finding someone inside that could do something.

Totally fucked up, but nobody said life was fair or ever would be.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
34. Not according to statute, but this was a jury trial that relied, in part
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:00 AM
Jan 2015

on the whistleblower defense.

As for someone being charged under the Espionage Act, I think the SCOTUS decision this week reinforces the fact that government employees who whistleblow under the relevant statutes will be protected. Neither Comrade Eddie or Manning availed themselves of the law, so they don't get its protections.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
37. Oh come on now! You won't give any leniency to a guy that fled to Putinskia
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:11 AM
Jan 2015

and said Russia is the land where there is freedom of the press and everyone is free to express themselves?

Yeah I agree...really hard to do. Impossible for any thinking person imo.

I don't know about Manning, looks like she was taken advantage of due to inexperience and age. Certainly did not flee from her accusers.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
39. I'm still not convinced Snowden isn't still a pawn in an NSA/CIA turf war...he's stupid
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:19 AM
Jan 2015

enough not to know he's a patsy. He's in prison, right now.

As for Chelsea Manning...she was a victim of Julian Assange.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
40. Yeah he is in prison, so true. I would LOVE to see him fly to Brazil.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:33 AM
Jan 2015

And why not? Russia is the Land of the Free...so they will have no problems. I don't think Brazil and Russia have any problems and America is not going to stop a flight and start a war...so...

And before anyone says extradited, Russia can back him and give him citizenship any time their dictator wants to. It boils down to saying you are a kewl kid while standing behind a dictator imo. No, you are not a kewl kid, you are a stupid kid and you are probably exactly right it is some kind of internal power struggle. Including the MIC and the spy world. You think he will shit when he finds out he is on a SVR burn list? You think he will even know?

Why anyone would think they are going to get absolute trust in the spy world, is beyond me. It is the spy vs spy world, lies are more important than the truth.

Crazy shit.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
41. Snowden can go anywhere that will agree to take him. Russia
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jan 2015

can issue travel documents...he does not need an American passport to travel.

Given Russian history, Snowden will be returning to the US when Putin is done with him....or when he's deposed. Given the utter ruination that Mr. Putin has managed with the economy, I suspect Eddie may find himself offered as a sop in return for certain monetary considerations.

This President has a frightening ability to wait in the tall weeds. As a Sicilian....I respect that.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
19. This case has nothing to do with torture. It's about a fired CIA
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:04 AM
Jan 2015

officer who leaked secrets about nuclear interdiction ops in Iran.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
21. The CIA has a lot to do with torture. Where are those indictments?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:19 AM
Jan 2015

Rather than an indictment and trial of a whistle blower?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
23. It isn't whistleblowing when you try to shake down the CIA for a settlement,
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:24 AM
Jan 2015

get frustrated, try to publish a book and then leak information about nuclear interdiction efforts.

Remember...we really, really do not want Iran to have certain nuclear capabilities. Really.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
32. From what I've read
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:56 AM
Jan 2015

They didn't have much proof as far as the leak so they went with a theory which is the theory you're argument.

Though I wouldn't call it a "shakedown" he couldn't move forward with the lawsuit because the judge ruled it would require classified information to prove his discrimination.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
35. They had proof beyond a reasonable doubt. There's a mistake you've made in considering
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:08 AM
Jan 2015

the evidence against Mr. Sterling......that circumstantial evidence does not give rise to a sound jury verdict. Enough of it, it certainly does.

Also.....Sterling didnt call Risen to the stand. That spoke volumes.

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