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Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:37 AM

 

George Zimmerman is part black.

He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather — the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

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Reply George Zimmerman is part black. (Original post)
dkf Apr 2012 OP
marshall Apr 2012 #1
Justice wanted Apr 2012 #2
vaberella Apr 2012 #8
CherokeeDem Apr 2012 #64
coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #89
craigmatic Apr 2012 #101
Taverner Apr 2012 #134
vaberella Apr 2012 #161
Gman Apr 2012 #14
Justice wanted Apr 2012 #25
bearded clam Apr 2012 #166
zbdent Apr 2012 #56
eShirl Apr 2012 #3
vaberella Apr 2012 #7
treestar Apr 2012 #81
Bluerthanblue Apr 2012 #91
LeftofObama Apr 2012 #4
Cosmocat Apr 2012 #11
pipoman Apr 2012 #24
marmar Apr 2012 #35
pipoman Apr 2012 #40
lunatica Apr 2012 #62
bearded clam Apr 2012 #167
vaberella Apr 2012 #65
treestar Apr 2012 #82
ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #138
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #37
pipoman Apr 2012 #42
marmar Apr 2012 #46
pipoman Apr 2012 #48
Happyhippychick Apr 2012 #55
pipoman Apr 2012 #58
Happyhippychick Apr 2012 #60
uncle ray Apr 2012 #88
vaberella Apr 2012 #66
etherealtruth Apr 2012 #157
CatWoman Apr 2012 #114
DevonRex Apr 2012 #121
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #74
CreekDog Apr 2012 #129
Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #145
Vanje Apr 2012 #85
Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #95
DevonRex Apr 2012 #117
MrScorpio Apr 2012 #137
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vaberella Apr 2012 #6
CatWoman Apr 2012 #113
LuvNewcastle Apr 2012 #9
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dkf Apr 2012 #12
vaberella Apr 2012 #13
dkf Apr 2012 #19
LaurenG Apr 2012 #63
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #107
DevonRex Apr 2012 #119
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #124
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lunatica Apr 2012 #26
LanternWaste Apr 2012 #57
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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:40 AM

1. Oh my...

It is an interesting story.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:44 AM

2. That doesn't mean he still can't be racist or prejudice. I know a Cuban woman who despises

Mexicans. Both are Latino nationalities.


Thinking more--I don't know what to make of this story... Just strange.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:57 AM

8. Dude go one step further...I know Black Cubans who despise White Cubans

(there is some validity there though--especially when I read about how Batista treated Black Cubans) and vice versa.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:14 AM

64. White Cubans despise Black Cubans as well...

I lived in Miami for 10 years and a White Cuban woman who worked in my office told me she could care less about the people left in Cuba...they were all black. Yeah...racism takes a variety of forms. She also hated Puerto Ricans...called them scum.

Fortunately, she was not a good employee and I had to terminate her for cause. While I kept my serious face on as I fired her...my secret happy face was grinning. Karma...


Edited to identify the woman as a White Cuban..

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Response to CherokeeDem (Reply #64)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:55 AM

89. I had heard anecdotally that one of the advances in Castro's Cuba was

 

that racism had been pretty much eliminated. Since this white Cuban was an emigre, maybe it was the racists who fled the island?

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #89)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:37 AM

101. They say that many of the American Cubans are white looking.

 

This is mainly because they had all the money before Castro then came here. PBS did a nice documentary on it called "Black in Latin America".

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #89)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:25 PM

134. Not really

 

They made a good effort to do so, but old habits die hard

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Response to CherokeeDem (Reply #64)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:31 PM

161. I believe I stated "vice versa."

I'm fully aware of it.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:30 AM

14. And from living in S Texas

I can tell you the feeling is mutual from Mexicans toward Cubans. Just because people are Hispanic doesn't mean there is any solidarity. That's a big misunderstanding.

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Response to Gman (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:47 AM

25. I'm beginning to see that.

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Response to Gman (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:53 PM

166. Thank you!

 

Mexicans towards Puerto Ricans, also. It's the "Black" thing... And Mexico doesn't exactly broadcast their Afro-roots either.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:41 AM

56. Isn't it always the whites who say that the blacks are far more racist than any white?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:50 AM

3. ...and Hitler was part Jewish.

I guess he wasn't antisemitic after all!


(edit: and part African, too )
http://newscastmedia.com/blog/2010/08/25/dna-shows-hitler-was-part-african-part-jewish/

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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:54 AM

7. Thank You. Or like Trujillo of Dominican Republic had a Haitian grandmother...

That didn't stop his massacre of thousands to millions of Haitians in Dominican Republic around the same time Hitler was having his own massacre on Jews. But I guess that was Trujillo's way of showing love and he most certainly did not associate or consider himself to be part Haitian.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:47 AM

81. And Charles Manson thought he might have a black ancestor

The worst racists may often be working out some sort of rejection of themselves. After all, they are often the same ones who think one drop of the undesired blood "taints" the person as the undesired race.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:27 AM

91. my first thought when I read the OP-

It's been said somewhere that the things that we dislike in others the most are often ones we ourselves, share.

a kind of self-loathing.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:50 AM

4. I don't care if has has a heritage of being

purple with pink polka dots. He murdered that child plain and simple!

(responding to the article, not you personally)

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:11 AM

11. Right!

it got turned into a national clusterscrew because the moron locals did not deal with it properly at the time.

End of the day, the lunatic stalked and executed some poor kid minding his own business.

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:46 AM

24. The "child" thing is a bit disingenuous

 

17 isn't a "child".

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Response to pipoman (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:12 AM

35. Your point being?

nt

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Response to marmar (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:18 AM

40. Referring to a 17 yo as a child is disingenuous..

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:10 AM

62. No. It's not disingenious

17 is not a grownup by a long shot. It's closer to being a child than a grown man or woman. Try to think back to when you were 17 and then convince anyone that you were a grown man or woman.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:54 PM

167. We are talking about how he LOOKED that evening. 6'3"?

 

Who would think a boy that young could be that tall?

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Response to pipoman (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:15 AM

65. No the hell it's not. Because the law still sees him as a minor.

Therefore he is a child. He has no money to support himself, he still bows to the authority of his parents. Hell in order for Trayvon to even go to the 7-11 that night he had to ask permission from his father. What adult has to ask their dad for permission? He is therefore a child and had years and years ahead of him.

I don't understand why you think it's disingenuous...it's disingenuous for you to suggest otherwise.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:48 AM

82. A 17 year old is still a minor

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Response to pipoman (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:35 PM

138. "Teenager" would be more accurate, but "child" generates more sympathy.

When a 17-year-old commits a terrible crime, few call that teen a "child," unless they are arguing against trying minors as adults.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:16 AM

37. A 17-year-old is a child

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:19 AM

42. A child is generally considered someone who

 

is per-pubescent.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:23 AM

46. Didactic silliness.......Was he out of high school? Was he living independently of his parents?


Was he old enough to vote?


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Response to marmar (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:28 AM

48. None of those things define a "child"

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:40 AM

55. Oh. So pubic hair does.

He was absolutely a child in that his brain is not fully formed to make adult decisions. In fact a 17 year old is closer to a toddler than an adult in the way they think.

12 year old girls menstruate, they are still children.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #55)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:47 AM

58. Then there are a lot of toddlers committing serious crimes..17 falls in the

 

age demographic which is most likely to commit murder. I would just like this case to move forward on the merits of the case without the inflammatory nonsense. Seventeen isn't a "child" in the eyes of the law nor in most people's mind. It is used in this case to make this tragedy seem worse, and the accused to seem more like a monster.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:52 AM

60. You have just proven my point. 17 year olds are the demographic most likely to commit violent crime

and suicide because they don't understand permanence and they lack frontal cortex closures. Hence why they are closer to toddlers than adults.

The only inflammatory nonsense is the kind coming from people who want to pretend that George Zimmerman was in fear for his life from a child who was armed with skittles.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:48 AM

88. well, then maybe Georgie-poo should have considered how his victim would be portrayed

before he fucking killed him.

oh, and BTW, Zimmerman himself said he thought Trayvon was older when he shot him. apparently even he thinks Trayvon was too young to die.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:17 AM

66. So when a 9 year old gets her period she's no longer a child.

I developed early because I have a pre-existing condition called PCOS I produce more male hormones means hair in certain parts. I had hair at 11...are you saying I was no longer a child?

Because then you're full of crock.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #66)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:39 AM

157. clearly that IS what the poster is saying

A person that experiences puberty at 9 or 10 is not a child ... a person that doesn't experience puberty until they are 14 remain a child until that time.

Clearly, complete idiocy. We tend to recognize two groups of people: children and adults.

The age of 18 (acknowledging the arbitrariness of this line) is the accepted demarcation.

I can't imagine anyone insisting that Trayvon Martin wasn't a kid ... unless of course they have an agenda.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:25 PM

114. and none of your contortions define him as anything other

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #114)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:43 PM

121. I'm getting the feeling that

some people might rather see the word boy used instead of child. But we do not use that word for obvious reasons.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:33 AM

74. A 17-year-old is a child

At least in the USA.

Someone who legally cannot sign themselves out of school is a child.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:15 PM

129. your pointless digression is distracting from the pointless purpose of the OP

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Response to pipoman (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:12 AM

85. Ask Trayvon Martin's mother about that.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:23 AM

95. The "black" thing is a bit disingenuous

George Zimmerman isn't black

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Response to pipoman (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:33 PM

117. In case you didn't know, people don't like to use the word "boy"

when talking about black males. So we use the world child, which still fits, since he was 17 years old.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:34 PM

137. 17 is still a child to me.

Hell, I still call my over 18 yet under 25 nieces and nephews "child".

And they always call me "uncle".

Trayvon was still a minor

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:52 AM

6. And that means what? Many White Americans today have Black roots.

Like ALL Black Americans and Afro Caribbean peoples have White roots...what does that mean. I'm sure many of the White Power freaks in the US may have some Native American, African, East Asian, Mexican, or all of the above in their "roots" -- yet it means shit in how they are identified in the US and how they themselves. Your post means nothing by and large. Don't justify his actions and find ways to marginalize the racial impact by suggesting he has Black roots.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:24 PM

113. I was about to say the same

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:05 AM

9. Which part?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:10 AM

10. You are always true to form, dkf

Always true to form.

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Response to Nostradammit (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:15 AM

12. I aim to inform...

 

Would you rather not know? Personally I always like more info.

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:30 AM

13. But what does this information mean? Tell us? At least what does it mean to you?! n/t

That's like telling me blood is blue before it becomes oxygenated...Okay and what can I do with that information?

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Response to vaberella (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:41 AM

19. If you read the entire piece I think you will see a picture with a little more

 

Nuance than charges that it was a racially based hate crime.

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Response to dkf (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:11 AM

63. No it is not nuanced and who besides you and his defense team thinks this is important information?

In my opionion it was a hate crime, he hated that some stranger was in his "yard" and like a big shot thought he knew better than the police. Not only was it a racist crime it is sexist. Do you think he would have shot a white female with tea and skittles?

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Response to dkf (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:55 AM

107. Alas the history of 911 calls, even before this

 

Tells a different story.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #107)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:37 PM

119. Yes it does.

How are you doing Nadin? Hope all is well with you.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #119)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:45 PM

124. Oh fine, reading legalese for a proposition

 

My eyes glaze.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #124)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:53 PM

127. Ugh.

Well, at least they haven't snapped shut in protest yet. Good luck finishing it with your sanity intact.

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:48 AM

26. Well Zimmerman also has white roots

What's your point? That he can't possibly hate Black people?

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:41 AM

57. eally depends on if the information is relevant, or irrelevant and meant...

 

"Would you rather not know?"

Really depends on if the information is relevant, or irrelevant and meant simply to minimize the relevant aspects of a story.

Although I am certain that you can elucidate us all and, with the "more info" you supply, you also allow us the precise relevance of the information as it relates to the story as whole...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #57)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:43 AM

79. "allow us the precise relevance of the information as it relates to the story as whole"

 

Of course not, it's noise. It has no value; there is no "precise relevance of the information".

It's as irrelevant as the content of Trayvon's Facebook page or the occupations of the witnesses.

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:06 AM

61. What difference does it make?

Seriously why is it important to know Zimmerman's ancestry? Why is this information relevant to you?

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Response to dkf (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:32 AM

73. Signal vs. Noise.

 

When we talk about informatics and even semiotics from a communications standpoint, one of the key distinctions we need to make is that between signal and noise. Signal is that message or content that is relevant, cogent and of value or utility. Noise is the static and piles of irrelevant data intentionally or unintentionally broadcast which muddy the water, make the facts less-clear and distort reality.

More information is not useful when that additional information is of no value or utility. Noise can be incredibly valuable as a tool to the activist or professional however. Bury the opponent's signal in minutia and you can drown them out.

Jeez, they teach that the first week of most communications, marketing and PR programs.

More info is not better info. As my partner always says: "If you can't astound them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:51 AM

83. Ha!

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:46 AM

103. Well said...

The OP strikes me as being of the "noise" quality rather than of the "signal" quality. Major noise factor.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:31 AM

15. Trayvon WAS part white.

See the difference?

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:33 AM

16. I sincerely doubt the OP will offer anything. Most of his/her posts are in defense of Zimmerman.

S/he seems to exhibit no real concern over knowing more about Trayvon--except if Trayvon did something to warrant his own death.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:42 AM

20. dkf = OMC

He's been threatening billy goats for a long damn time...

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:55 AM

106. Sorry but dfk won't have a thing to say to you about that.

 

This is programming afterall and your information goes against that programming.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:34 AM

17. This changes everything

Such great concern

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:39 AM

18. "black" is as much a socio-political term

Was Zimmerman ever perceived as "black" in day-to-day life? I doubt it.

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Response to Anarcho-Socialist (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:42 AM

22. No he was probably perceived as Hispanic.

 

He doesn't look white.

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Response to dkf (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:59 AM

108. With that last name

 

Doubt it...

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Response to dkf (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:34 PM

162. HOLD ON!!! White, now has a look? Hahahaha...Bless. n/t

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:42 AM

21. Totally not worth responding to

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Response to LaurenG (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:42 AM

102. This page left intentionally blank LOL

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #102)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:41 PM

120. Heh, I changed my mind further down or up..

somewhere.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:44 AM

23. And in your opinion that makes him non racist?

Trayvon must have been a real threat?

What is your point? That skittles are deadly? That a black teenager with a hoodie is an automatic deadly threat? That Zimmerman is innocent of murder? Really, what's your point?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:52 AM

27. Personally, I never saw it as a racial

encounter. This was always about a young boy encountering stupid. George Zimmerman was just stupid and so is the SYG law.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:11 AM

34. The SYG law is fine.

It offers no protection if you go out of your way to provoke a confrontation as Zimmerman did.

It will be ruled to be inadmissible in court. Watch.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:23 AM

47. I agree

I don't think SYG will or should have any influence on this case.

But I think the SYG law can be taken advantage of and used as an excuse to kill anyone.

For instance, I once walked into the wrong house by mistake because I wasn't paying attention. Can the owner of the house just shoot me? People make wrong assumptions about the activities of other people all the time.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:16 AM

39. I agree that SYG is stupid, but......


.....I'm sorry, but if he hadn't been a young black male, I suspect he'd still be alive. He was clearly profiled.

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Response to marmar (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:15 AM

93. There was certainly, at the very least,

an unconscious racial component to it. But most of the tragedy was born out of pure stupidity on Zimmerman's part.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:57 AM

28. I'm not sure what the motivation

 

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is to proclaim this a race crime (hate crime). Isn't it bad enough being what it is? Where do these accusations of racism gain their truth? I think the media and racist orgs (like The New Black Panthers) have worked up a bunch of people into a lather about racism, bringing out the "string him up, it'll teach him a lesson" crowd..

Edit for accuracy..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:18 AM

41. The Black Panthers haven't been involved in this

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:21 AM

44. Really? They didn't offer a "dead or alive" bounty on Zimmerman?

 

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:31 AM

50. mea culpa

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:28 AM

92. It's about the institutionalized racism of profiling,

not about whether Zimmerman himself was racist.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:20 PM

131. Anyone who refers to the New Black Panthers (all 5 of them) as anything even worth mentioning...

is probably not the person to tell me what is and isn't important about the story.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:59 AM

29. My family are minorites

And sadly a lot of them utter racist garbage. Should that excuse them? No. This is even less relevant than the "he's Latino he can't be racist" bullshit. I'm sorry but people's behavior is not linked to what race they are or aren't. And its also racist trash to assume that since he has that heritage he can't behave badly towards AA's.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:03 AM

30. Lol - so now it's St George the biracial altar boy...

That's some orchestrated character remake, I must say.

reminds me of Animal Farm --

Guntoting neighborhood guy good --- Black teenage robbers bad.

See?


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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:09 AM

31. My dog is part Alaskan Malamute but he doesn't like Sarah Palin.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:21 AM

68. ROFL...you made me piss on myself! Fuck! n/t

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:11 AM

32. So Al Sharpton DID protest black on black crime?! Go figure...

What will the wingnuts grasp onto now?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:11 AM

33. Sorry, but who the hell cares and why is that relevant?

My sister-in-law is 100% Mexican. And she hates Mexicans. She's joked that we should switch ethnicities. I have been told countless times "Don't go over by that Walmart, that's where all the wetbacks, narcos, and border jumpers hang out." She doesn't know Spanish, nor does she allow her kids to learn it. Yet, I've asked her if her kids will check the "Latino" box, or whatever the hell it's called, when it's time for college.
Her answer, of course, is yes. Ridiculous.

In Latin America, FYI, you are what you identify with. Example: one can be an indigenous person by blood, but in no way identify or be identified as such; case in point with "Mayan" members of the Guatemalan military slaughtering Mayan peasants during the Civil War. Those members of the military likely did not in any way identify with an indigenous ancestry or culture. In many (not all) parts of Latin America, your skin color is really not that relevant. This has a long history that most Americans do not fathom because it's very different up here.
This is especially true of people of mixed ancestry, and especially true of indigenous folks.

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Response to a la izquierda (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:22 AM

90. Thanks for this explanation

I've seen Latin and South Americans who have disliked each other based on country of origin. I've also heard of much discrimination against those of perceived indigenous heritage in different countries. A friend was appalled on a visit to Ecuador by racist statements by his relatives there against indigenous peoples. I've met very indigenous-looking immigrants here who immediately denied having any such heritage at all.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #90)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:36 PM

118. No worries.

I've just finished explaining this to my students (several times) this semester.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:16 AM

36. So Jorge is a white, black, hispanic, Peruvian jew

He still pulled the trigger so the court will have to decide if he's innocent.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:16 AM

38. What an OP to wake up to

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:22 AM

69. There are no words...n/t

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Response to vaberella (Reply #69)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:35 AM

76. Seriously

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:21 AM

43. And...?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:22 AM

45. The 'racism' element is institutional.

It's a red herring to constantly narrow the focus of racism on Zimmerman. Clearly, Zimmerman has LOTS of "issues" ... authoritarian, seeing people in terms of "types" and categories, cowardice, etc. But the appalling aspect of this whole sorry debacle is the institutional racism that casually gave Zimmerman a "pass" and failed to treat Trayvon and his family as being worthy of the ordinary concern and respect that would be (unquestionably!) afforded if Trayvon were white.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:31 AM

51. This has reached absurdities totally undreamed of.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:33 AM

52. The least relevant fact yet found!

Can anyone beat that?

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Response to GOTV (Reply #52)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:51 AM

59. Animal control told Zim to buy a gun...

...to protect himself from pit bulls.

Did I win?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:34 AM

53. This bullshit hearkens back to the "One Drop" rule...

is the defense gonna hold a paper bag next to Zimmermans skin to prove his innocence next?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:37 AM

54. I think having a father who was a magistrate had something to do with him getting away with murder.

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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:18 AM

67. Like the OP, that is another irrelevant fact

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:23 AM

70. so?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:23 AM

71. So? a young man is still dead.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:29 AM

72. He also suffers from a dangerous hero complex. Go figure.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:33 AM

75. I Don't Think Zimmerman Was Any More Or Less Racist Than Your Average American

But he did a hatbor a suspicion of young black males that cost Trayvon Martin his life and him his liberty. If it wasn't for lax gun laws this tragedy could have been avoided.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:37 AM

77. So is Herman Cain

 


LOL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:30 AM

98. LOL! n/t

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:39 AM

78. I see... Just for clarity, what's your point?

Are you saying because these roots exist, Zimmerman wasn't really racial profiling Trayvon?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:46 AM

80. Not enough for racists to see him as black when he's walking down the street

Also, racism could be his way of avoiding his own black heritage.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:53 AM

84. Holy shit!!!!

 

You need to email this to Angela Corey. Maybe she'll drop it to a manslaughter charge or maybe even dismiss charges altogether.

This is highly relevant information to this case.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:14 AM

86. STFW? He still followed an unarmed teen, confronted and killed him

Black, White, Brown and any shade or percentage of minority doesn't mean shit.
He killed an unarmed teen for no reason other than the teen being Black...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:40 AM

87. So? Your point is? Is this sh!t stirring in the "one drop" assumption?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:22 AM

94. Great-grandfather? What a stretch. n/t

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:26 AM

97. That makes me part white.

Weird OP.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #97)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:35 AM

100. And it makes me racially mixed

because one of my grandparents wasn't white.
Exceedingly weird OP.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:26 PM

135. my great grandmother wasn't white, so I guess I'm not white either

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:25 AM

96. Yet another stupid douchebag race baiting thread - Drudge, Beck, Hannity and Rush shit stirring

yup

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:34 AM

99. We're all part black. Life started in Africa. It doesn't excuse what he did.

 

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #99)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:00 PM

110. Thread winner

 

In the rift valley to be exact.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #99)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:01 PM

111. ding ding ding ding ding

fossil evidence - bane of the KKK

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #99)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:44 PM

123. Thank you.

If it weren't for Africans, we wouldn't even be here.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:53 AM

104. And your point is?

You can still have black roots and be a racist.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:54 AM

105. And how does that change the fact that he murdered a kid in cold blood?

 

It does not. Wow...that article does everything to help Zimmerman and flat out lies in parts. When will they be doing a 'fair and balanced' story on Martin...you know the kid they let rot in a morgue and the SPD helped cover up the murder?

Fluff stories do nothing but entrench a persons belief that they are right, so thanks for posting it!

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:29 PM

115. so it's really black on black crime. I get it.

move along. Nothing to see here.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:33 PM

116. And? nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #116)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:17 PM

130. Everyone is free to do their own analysis on what it means to them.

 

If its irrelevant to you then fine.

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Response to dkf (Reply #130)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:28 PM

143. Here's my answer then

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Response to dkf (Reply #130)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:45 PM

148. Your title was your own creation based on a form of the "one drop rule"

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #148)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:37 PM

163. Wow, now that is sad.

 

But true.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:44 PM

122. phew, that gets the white race off the hook!

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Response to Enrique (Reply #122)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:24 PM

133. I didn't know the "white race" was on the hook

 

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #133)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:30 PM

136. Dude, the "white race" is always on the hook.

At least that's what people who try disregard the relevance of white privilege are always telling me.

Right after that, they tell me that it's unfair.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:49 PM

126. According to the US Census bi-raclal people have the choice as to declare how

they identify themselves so if GZ identified himself as White then his having Black ancestors is immaterial.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:13 PM

128. have you ever commented on "black on black" crime?

i don't recall so that's why i'm asking.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:23 PM

132. thanks for stepping us through each rationalization you internalize

it's fascinating to watch the progression of ideas needed to maintain your opinion on the Zimmerman case.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:40 PM

139. HAHAHA... oh my

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:05 PM

140. Pretty insulting OP.

 

There are self hating people in all the minority communities whether that community is the LGBT community, the Jewish community, Hispanics, women, African Americans, etc., even when someone is 100% part of that background.

It's obvious that Zimmerman had a problem with black people.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:07 PM

141. and Strom Thurmond had a black daughter he took care of financially

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:26 PM

142. And I hear his "Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather" thinks you're a racist bigotted asshat troll

I have no idea myself of course, it's just what I heard, you know.



RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #142)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:50 PM

149. ROFL

 

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:54 PM

144. So what?? Practically EVERY white person in America has black ancesters

just this week Ratigan had a guest who was an expert and talked about it. This man had done a study and said KKK memebers have black roots too.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:15 PM

146. The controversy even on this left-of-center forum is "Exhibit A" as to why the hate crime

statute will be near impossible for a fair and impartial jury to determine in this case, IMHO, particularly in light of the article above. It would be easier if GZ had been a member of some neo-nazi group. But then again, he wouldn't have qualified.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:28 PM

147. This OP is part red herring

Zimmerman didn't self identify as black. He shot a kid who he thought was black. He felt like he had the right to confront this kid in part because he was black kid. As a result of that confrontation, he shot that kid.

This isn't really about race. It's about Americans' attitudes toward race.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:20 PM

150. Zimmerman is black! STOP EVERYTHING!!!

This changes everything!!! No need for an investigation! And certainly no need for a trial!

Zimmerman is automatically guilty of whatever charges are against him. Isn't that how it usually works for black people?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:04 AM

151. I rarely miss unrec. For this I do. However, is interesting to see who rec'd this, wonder why?

5 members have recommended this thread (displayed in chronological order):

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #151)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:29 PM

160. OOh some of those names I recognize.

The first, second and third. Huh...they kind of support each other I guess.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:08 AM

152. He is bicultured.

I said it from the beginning. The question is where has he been getting his indoctrination?

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:13 AM

153. why does his race matter?

what he did is still wrong.

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Response to tnvoter (Reply #153)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:41 AM

158. It matters to white supremacists, who are pushing this

They went ballistic over media references to Zimmerman as a 'white Hispanic' (they can't abide the idea of his being classified as a 'white' anything).

Initially, white power blogs responded with protestations that, "technically, Zimmerman is a 'mestizo.'" While they take his side, they go to great pains make it clear that he is not one of them. Apparently, the 'mestizo' idea wasn't good enough, so...

Now this.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:14 AM

154. and trayvon martin is fully dead

what's your point? that he couldn't be racists toward blacks? if so, that is quite naive.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:24 AM

155. Maybe someone should have told him this

he doesn't seem to be aware of it. Perhaps a tragic stalking and murder could have been averted if only he had known the truth about himself.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:28 AM

156. DKF is part asshole as we all are

thank god for an anus that guides our posts

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #156)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:41 PM

164. Sometimes, when we are forming and

 

both holes open up (anus and mouth) our bodies decide we should talk from the opposite end and then BAM out we come. I believe that might be what happened to dfkcbcbc.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:12 PM

159. I'm curious to your angle

Especially with your numerous posts bemoaning the fixation of race. Anyways, whether Zimmerman is racist or not doesn't disprove that he is if he is. I knew someone who had a grandfather that is black (IIRC, wasn't biologically related) that he pretty much considered the greatest man in the world as he responded to his grandmother's very difficult behavior with love and understanding. Took the worst kinds of verbal abuse and would not react with anger. This was before I knew the prejudices he held even though there were hints I misread like the time he asked me if I would have a problem watching Blazing Saddles which I said I didn't, he said something like, "A lot of white people complain and say 'I thought racism was dead'" I said it satirizes racism he didn't say anything to that but later I found he enjoyed Blazing Saddles because of the racial remarks such as "The sheriff...". Anyways, when I learned of his true feelings I quit hanging around him and it was interesting but not surprising he didn't show his racism in the presence of black people.

Also black people can be racist against black people as evidenced by editorials by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson which I won't link to the hate site that features them.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #159)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:41 PM

165. Trying to stir up a shitstorm F5.

 

And it worked.

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