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Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:53 AM

Clinton Holds Solid Leads Over All GOP Challengers

Hillary Clinton’s “potential place in history and her husband’s tenure in the White House boost her presidential prospects, while Jeb Bush’s political legacy and Mitt Romney’s 2012 run for the office are negatives,” a new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds.

“Clinton leads both in hypothetical head-to-head matchups at this early stage – as well as Rand Paul, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee alike. The national survey finds 53 to 56 percent support for Clinton among registered voters against each of these potential Republican candidates, while they get 39 to 41 percent. One reason is that Clinton is stronger in her political base, given the far more fragmented nature of the current GOP field.”

As with Barack Obama, the recovery helps Clinton. About three-quarters of registered voters who rate the economy positively support her, and she leads overwhelmingly among those who say they’ve gained ground financially under Obama’s presidency. But she also leads, by 16 to 20 points, among those whose finances have just held steady.

Clinton has a strong advantage among those who see income inequality as a major problem, and she runs essentially evenly vs. these potential Republican nominees among those who think it’s a problem, but not a major one. She trails only among those who don’t think the income gap is a problem – just 16 percent of registered voters.

Women favor Clinton by 20- to 24-point margins, men by non-significant 2- to 7-point margins. She’s also strong among racial and ethnic minorities, adults under 40 and lower-income voters.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2015/01/historys-a-positive-for-clinton-not-so-for-bush-or-romney/

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:10 AM

1. Is it 2016 already? Damn that cheap alarm clock!

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:32 AM

3. Presidential election season always starts after midterms. Always.

Just saying...

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:33 AM

4. When is the time to govern, is all I am implying? To the media it is always election season, what

would they blabber on about if they could not pretend it is always election season and make it a game?

It should not be a two year campaign....I do not accept that.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:39 AM

6. To the political parties, traditionally, presidential election season starts after the midterms.

I know it's cute to say "it isn't 2016," but it's also irrelevant. Even unannounced candidates are busy doing research, competing for staff, etc. etc. You may not like it. You may not accept it. But it is a fact and political reality.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:40 AM

7. Yes, but that is not a campagin, that is preparation. What country has a two year campaign?

Amswer: one that does not require you to raise 1 billion dollars because there are no election fiance laws.

To just accept an endless election cycle is to accept the results of the Citizens Undermined decision, to me.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:44 AM

9. Who said it was a campaign? I said it was election 'season.'

And, frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what other countries do during the election seasons.

If you're trying to argue against the FACT that election season begins after the midterms, your arguing against decades of factual data. Good luck. And I can't WAIT to let my daughter press the button for Hillary.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:55 AM

11. Thank for the well wishes. I will keep up the argument for ending the endless election/campaign

season.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:23 AM

149. I've had a Clinton/Castro 2016 bumper sticker on my car since mid 2014.

Had it made to order.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:28 AM

2. kick

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:38 AM

5. It's so early and the public is so fickle

I remember midway through Bush I term and everyone thought he was unbeatable against the field of Democrat contenders.

Berlin wall had come down.
The Soviet Union was collapsing.
The whole "Peace Dividend" was being discussed.

Then Clinton came along and won.



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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:40 AM

8. that's nice

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:57 AM

12. Is is the season for the massive cash needed, folks are confusing money grovelling with campaigning.

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Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:22 PM

54. All possible, of course....

 

But I'd rather start here than in the other position!

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:53 AM

10. Please Run Liz, Bernie, Joe, Al, Ham Sandwich....ANYONE but Hillary!!! n/t

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Response to benz380 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:59 AM

13. Won't happen. Maybe Bernie will mount a symbolic campaign. That's all. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:01 AM

15. Maybe so, but Hillary won't get my vote if she's the candidate. My conscience won't allow it. n/t

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Response to benz380 (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:45 AM

23. That's fine. She won't need it. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:43 PM

141. Re: That's fine. She won't need it.

 

Just what we need, people to sit on their hands.

You'd rather a RepubliCON win than Hillary, eh?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:48 PM

154. +10 (nt)

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Response to benz380 (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:03 PM

29. Nor mine.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:08 PM

33. It will happen. You will be wrong again. n/t

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:09 PM

35. No, I won't. nt

 

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:00 AM

14. Looks like she is on track to be our next president.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:02 AM

16. The Corporatist track is the only one she rides on. n/t

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Response to benz380 (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:04 AM

17. Your opinion, not mine.n/t.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:07 AM

18. It's a fact, not an opinion, but have a good day. n/t

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Response to benz380 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:08 AM

19. You have a great weekend.

 

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Response to benz380 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:09 AM

20. Apparently you have a different definition of 'fact.' Unless...

... you have evidence. Nah! Not usually the mark of a 'progressive' argument.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:32 AM

21. I'm sure you know she is a corporatist without me posting a wall of text. You're not stupid. n/t

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Response to benz380 (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:40 AM

22. ah, a cop out. Typical.

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Response to benz380 (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:48 PM

28. Some so called Dems are just fine and dandy with the oligarchy.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:45 PM

41. Yep.

especially people who make a living riding the Neo Liberal Train to oligarchy town.

Reading this thread, they could give a rats ass what other people think and how they might be economically hurt, you know, just like Republicans.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:08 PM

34. Almost two years and you think it's over?

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:11 PM

36. Did I say I thought it was over? No I did not. n/t.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:33 PM

37. No. You said she's "on track", which is just as dumb. n/t

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:35 PM

38. Since you are only looking to insult, I have no desire to continue.

 

Have a great weekend.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:47 AM

24. $$$

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:49 AM

25. ^

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:46 PM

27. You are for big money in politics to get the win? Got it.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:17 PM

30. You're for ceding elections to Republicans because of money? Got it.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:47 PM

43. right

Because Democrats will always do the right thing, especially the Turd Way.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:03 PM

48. Irrelevant reply.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:27 PM

55. Of course.

It doesn't fit your narrative.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:45 PM

69. it diverts from the topic

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:24 PM

150. No, we are being overran by big money, there is a difference

It doesn't matter if it's Hillary or any other politician that is being used to purchase your vote, if your integrity can be obtained in this matter, eventually what you have will be worthless and or you will have nothing. It's analogous to playing a game of Monopoly where you are dealt all of money and another person was dealt all the property pieces. The point being at the time when you have went around the board enough, you will eventually be defrocked

The only question i would like to ask is if you still be around about three or four years from now,
so we can tell you and the rest of the cheerleaders 'we told you so'?

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:26 PM

26. I'm happy.

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Response to William769 (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:35 AM

147. Both Warren and Obama don't mind if she gets it...

From the White House Correspondents Dinner:

POTUS:


"Let's face it Fox, you'll miss me when I'm gone. It'll be harder to convince the American people that Hillary was born in Kenya."

And after hearing all the fear and hate about Bill and her, the blue dress, and on and on and on...

I'm deliberately going tone deaf on their complaints. That is what they have accomplished with the hyperbole, as she was nowhere my first choice. Not in 2008, and not anytime recently.

Remarkably, only a few that like Obama have that attitude. She supported him in the end, and not in a mealy mouthed way, and he may very well support and campaign for her.

That will seal the deal for me, and for those of us who care about civil rights issues for ALL. And her support for women is going to blow a lot of people out of the water, plain and simple.

We are 51% of the population and are tired of being looked down upon and our issues tossed to the side like minorities and LGBTs in favor of those celebs that are celebrated who belittle us for their 'rights.'


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Response to William769 (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:54 PM

155. Great Pic! (nt)

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:53 PM

31. SC Nominees!

For those refusing to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, keep this in mind . . . Supreme Court Nominees! We cannot let a conservative tilt the court any more to the right. Cannot, must not!

Go get ‘em, Hillary!

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Response to Gamecock Lefty (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:48 PM

44. +1

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 02:59 PM

156. I'll see your 1, and raise you 9 - +10 (nt )

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:57 PM

32. So there we were...way back when...

 

everyone said HRC was going to be the 1st Woman Prez of the good ole US of A. She was.....what was the word? oh yeah..inevitable. Then along came this kid...ummmm..lemme think..Barak Obama...and we all know what happened then....don't we?

HRC is NOT inevitable..ever. Holding double digit leads now is nothing....she would have a double digit lead over Bugs Bunny, (well maybe not) but you get my point.

Sorry..she is a lost cause....others here had already said anything I would have so I won't add to the pain.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:38 PM

39. I'll be writing in Elizabeth Warrens name

 

Next round I'll be writing in Elizabeth Warrens name on the ballot. A waste you say...? Not in my view.

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Response to ProudProg2u (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:47 PM

42. That will have the same effect as writing in the GOP candidate's name.

Which of course is not a waste in the GOP's view. But it is a huge betrayal of the progressive cause.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:50 PM

45. So your saying Hillary's Progressive?



Thanks for that, laughter is always good medicine.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:11 PM

50. Most liberals/Dems appear to think she is.

A CNN/ORC International Poll from June found that only 11% of Democrats want a more liberal option to Clinton. Twenty percent want someone more conservative and 63% want Clinton. What's more, a Washington Post/ABC News poll from the same time showed that 72% of self-described liberals supported Clinton, a number that was larger than moderate and conservative Democrats.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/politics/clinton-liberals-trust/

My point is that if you refuse to vote, or vote for anyone other than the Dem candidate on the ballot, it is the same as voting for a Republican. And you know it. Of course, you want to change the subject.

The fact is, if you let a Republican gain the presidency by either refusing to vote or writing in some protest vote, it IS a betrayal of progressive values. A Republican will appoint more Sam Alito's, who will outlaw abortion, and continue to eviscerate the Bill of Rights. You can post all the silly emoticons you want, it won't change that fact.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:32 PM

57. " Most liberals/Dems appear to think she is."

your opinion.

The fear mongering over is supreme court seats is bullshit. What's it going to matter anyway once the TPP is passed, by a Democrat.

Yes the TPP, a very progressive piece of legislation in your opinion.

I see the third way supporters are out in full force huh, Hillary or nothing?

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Response to Phlem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:55 PM

62. Cash! Prizes!! It's time to play "Which warmonger said it?"!!

See if you can differentiate the saber-rattling quotes of President-elect Hillary Clinton from those of John "Bomb Bomb" McCain. It may not be as easy as you think!

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/hillary-clinton-john-mccain-quotes-foreign-policy-quiz

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:19 PM

63. +1 The new meme, Hillary's a progressive says the Thirdway



And guess what, if she loses it's going to be all our fault for not supporting her. I'm sure it has nothing to do with her 1% policies and support.

It'll be the folks on DU, all of us who are aware of the third way and the damage they have caused for not supporting Hillary.

and the wheel goes round and round, round and round.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:19 PM

64. Do you know what issues are impirtant to progressives?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:22 PM

65. I'm going to stab in the dark

Jobs and livable wages. I'm sure there's a hell of a lot more but your going to have to look it up.

The opposite of the TPP.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:25 PM

66. Has the negotiations and content of TTP been released?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:31 PM

67. Why are you asking me the obvious. If you don't know the answer to that

then we have bigger issues. The TPP? You know secret closed door negotiations, could be why the content hasn't been released? It's so damn good we don't need to know and we must fast track it!

Try this:

https://www.citizen.org/tpp

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Response to Phlem (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:48 PM

71. Then we do not know what is being negotiated so the answer of whether it is

Good or bad can not be judged.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:12 PM

87. Bullshit.

Just like the way you think Hillary is the only answer.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #87)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:15 PM

92. BS back to you, you dont know $hit about what TTP contains.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #92)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:55 PM

103. Well if it's so damn good

why can't we see it? You have a happy posting BS day too.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:26 PM

159. The content hasn't been released...

...because to do so would poison the negotiations by preventing the participants from being frank with one another and forcing them into theatrical posturing.

The point of a negotiation is to craft a deal that has something for everyone. By putting it out as a whole people are given the opportunity to decide based on the pluses balanced against the minuses, as opposed to a piecemeal evaluation that only considers the detrements of one provision without an understanding of other counter balancing provisions.

If you are simply against any and all potential deals and think we should build a moat around America and become a hermit kingdom, well fine. Say so. If you think that America should be , has to be, an active participant in the world and engaged with it in order to enjoy peace and prosperity, then support confidential negotiations so that we can establish relationships that are, overall , to our advantage.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #65)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:07 PM

157. Jobs andlivable wages...

...are only obtainable in the context of vigoris participation in a world market. Trade deals like the TTP are the only progressive alternative.

That is, if by progresive you mean actually making progress.

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Response to PosterChild (Reply #157)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:09 PM

158. Agreed. But

it's how they are written the affect us. Your also talking to someone who lost his career cause of NAFTA.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #158)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 03:29 PM

160. Thanks for sharing your perspective (nt)

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Response to Phlem (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:35 PM

68. All I'm saying is refusing to vote for the Dem is a vote for the GOP.

You have yet to dispute that.

Instead, you keep trying to put words in my mouth so you can change the subject.

My concern over who sits on the Supreme Court is not "bullshit." That person determines whether women, half our population, will be subject to being forced to give birth against their will. Choosing if and when to be a mother is the most fundamental liberty to me as a woman. That is more important to me than whatever the TPP ends up being. I can do nothing if I cannot control my own body. Your dismissal of that is a dismissal of women.

You think you have a better candidate than Hillary? Get them on the Dem primary ballot.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:52 PM

74. Ah I see.

your particular issues don't compare to the misery of the rest of the nation. But yeah, go ahead and put words in my mouth. I'll check in with my wife and daughter tonight and see if I dismiss women.

They can try and will continue to try but I'm pretty confident Roe vs Wade will not be overturned unless the powers that be want a nation full of women and men taking up arms.

Here's a secret, I don't want anyone telling my daughter what she can and can't do with her body, period.

Also it takes votes on both sides to confirm a Supreme Court Judge. Remember during Bush junior reign how the Democrats bent over backwards for Republicans, including Supreme Court positions.

Your going to want to tell the Senators and Representatives you employ with your tax dollars to do the right thing and actually support their constituents cause I promise I cannot single handedly overturn RvW on my own, sorry.

This is why I push the third way away. We need people we can count on, not Republican lite.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #74)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:58 PM

77. Just because you're married and have a daughter does not prove your priorities.

Exhibit 1: George W. Bush.

It is not just my liberty. It is all women’s liberty that is at stake. Your refusal to acknowledge that speaks volumes.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #77)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:06 PM

82. OK then, you've got me all figured out.

volumes upon volumes. Whatever SunSeeker, I should have know information does not go in, it only comes out no matter. Just because we don't elect a woman president equals the upending of Roe v Wade. it's not like any President hasn't protected it till now. For your information I would take Warren or Sanders over corporate Hillary any day. But I'm pretty sure that's also going to fall on deaf ears.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:52 PM

61. These polls are meaningless

The fact is when people are asked, they claim to be moderates but when confronted with specific issues they are liberals.

Hillary continues to be framed by the media and the republicans as a liberal which she is not. Let's subject Hillary to a real primary and get her to be specific on the issues. If she want to lead the Democratic Party it's time to demand that she drops her allegiance to Wall Street, military contractors and global corporations and support the poor and middle class.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:50 PM

72. I see. Any polls you disagree with are "meaningless."

Gosh, all those pollsters should save a lot of time and just talk to you.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #72)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:00 PM

116. Another network poll in 2007 had Hillary leading Obama by 22pts.

Did you believe that one as well? Who really cares about a poll two years before an election when we have don't even know who the candidates will be? Other than people who want to see Hillary become such an institution she can get away with as little challenge from the left as possible.... Personally I want to see her debate Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders at least three times...

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #116)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:19 AM

117. Yes, that poll reflects a public that did not yet know Obama.

He is a masterful campaigner, and as people saw and heard him, they liked what they saw. Then when he did well in Iowa, it was the beginning of the end for Hillary. As much as I love Bernie and Elizabeth, I don't think either of them have the carisma to pull off what Obama did. There is no new Obama-like candidate I am aware of waiting in the wings this time around.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #117)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:22 AM

118. You're making my point sunseeker..

These early Hillary polls reflect a public that doesn't know "any of the candidates" because no one has formally declared yet. They're also reacting to her popularity and name recognition, not the issues.

I think you're wrong about Warren. She not only has charisma but she's developing a track record of fighting Wall Street corruption and standing up for public interest. Something Hillary can't come close to.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:44 AM

119. My point is there's no Obama in the wings this time around to upend the polls.

I get it, you think Warren and/or Sanders are the Obama of 2015. I disagree. We'll know soon enough.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #119)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:26 AM

134. Well actually...

 

Except for his home state, and oh yeah his speech at the Democratic convention, no one "knew" or predicted Obama in 2007..yet he happened anyway.

To say at this point that there "is no Obama in the wings this time" is to close your eyes to history, and the unpredictability of the political process. Remember, everyone, and I literally mean, everyone "knew" HRC was going to be the Democratic nominee in 2008.

Just because the certain Dem's are determined to control the meme about her, does not mean it will happen. She is NOT a progressive, anyone with eyes knows this. So lets all sit back and enjoy the show. I suspect that for HRC it is going to wind up being a replay of the "Titanic" for her once again.

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Response to BrainDrain (Reply #134)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:05 PM

139. So the 72% of liberals who support Clinton don't have eyes?

The 83% of Dems who either want Clinton or someone more conservative are also without eyes? Only the 11% of Dems who want someone more liberal than Clinton have eyes?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/politics/clinton-liberals-trust/






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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #119)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:42 PM

140. I'm saying so far there's two candidates that refelect what the Democratc party stands for.

And Hillary Clinton isn't one of them....And if we end up with a Hillary vs Romney or Bush election it'll not only be the most boring and meaningless election in my lifetime, it'll probably be the last chance for the party to lift itself out of the muck of triangulation and actually stand for something again. Stand up and "fight" for it's traditional values and people will line up to support them. You won't get that with Hillary Clinton..

People that identify with the Dem party are a dwindling 32% down from 35%... Less than a third of Americans now identify themselves as Democrats. Even less for the Republicans.. What is that saying? A growing number of people don't relate to either party anymore. With an off the map insane GOP this is a time when you'd expect the Democratic party to shine! Do you really think another Wall Street owned third way Democrat is going to turn that trend around?

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #116)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:59 AM

129. Thanks Professor Peabody

Can I get a ride?

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Response to ProudProg2u (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:28 AM

126. These Hill-bots forget their history. She was expectedd to have a coronation cake walk once before

It didn't work out so well for her then either.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:42 PM

40. Maybe she can invite her pals Henry Kissinger and Rupert Murdoch to her inauguration.





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Response to BlueStater (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:20 PM

106. George Bush in a dress

either set of middle initials apply.Her fan club refuses to investigate her.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:50 PM

46. Call me a traitor. Pelt me with garbage if you want....

... but I absolutely will not vote for her.

I wasn't born yesterday. I realize politics isn't about ponies; it's about compromise.
In the past, I've actively supported and voted for candidates with whom I had significant differences. But we all have our limits, and I've reached mine.

No more warmongering, corporatist, neo-liberal Wall Street suckups for me.

Enough is enough.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:29 AM

127. May i steal your energizer bunny please?

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Response to peacebird (Reply #127)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:38 AM

135. Be my guest! n/t

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:59 PM

47. Kind of tired of SOS

BTW, I heard a little bit of Hartmann and Pap this morning talking about the (Dershowitz) Douche-o-witz scandal.



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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:05 PM

49. With those kind of leads she is a shoe-in to win the GOP primaries

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Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:27 AM

125. LOL! Perfect response!

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 03:29 PM

51. Looking forward to the primaries and election, I will be backing Hillary who is progressive,

smart and capable. Facts of Hillary's stand on the issues are on record, she has fought for Civil Rights since her college days and fought for working Americans. These are issues which are important to uplift American workers and this is good for the economy.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:16 PM

53. "Hillary Clinton is..."

"... the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Now, how about a nice game of solitaire?

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:31 PM

56. You can play

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 04:35 PM

52. Two year's until the election and Hillary's already being stuffed down our throats...

The corporate owned media can't get enough of Hillary, they'll continue to clip the wings of the party of the people until everyone forgets what the party once stood for!

The best thing that could happen to this party is a series of debates, including Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders outlining each candidates vision for the future of the party in detail.. Because third way, Hillary's vision of a Corporatocracy won't hold up to the traditional Democratic party ideas of Warren and Sanders.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:36 PM

59. as you can see.

Thirdway supporters are out in full force 2 years prior to anything happening.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:48 PM

70. WINNING!

 

There are no candidates yet but it's pretty clear Clinton supporters don't want a primary:

"... create a situation where Hillary has to face a potentially damaging primary."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6122080

* Sorry Steven, once posted it's in the public domain.[ /div]

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:35 PM

58. She is leading......on what exactly?

 

A part her superstar status?

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:39 PM

60. this OP is a joke.

almost 900 views and only 13 recs. But go ahead and keep trying to shove Hillary down our throats, we'll just puke it back up.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:51 PM

73. Your reply is a joke

You equate posts with popularity contests.

It's such a joke the DU admins made it their pic of the moment.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #73)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:57 PM

76. ouch, it's been a long time since 3rd grade and it still hurts.

She's thirdway, you know, the people who helped us lose the midterms. I'm sure you have the data on how there's 0% chance she'll fuck it up again.

But go ahead, live your fantasy, it's still a free country.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:01 PM

79. Quit acting like you're in third grade and the pain might go away

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:09 PM

84. Oh so good! Who writes your material?

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Response to Phlem (Reply #84)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:11 PM

86. It writes itself.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:14 PM

90. Yes and that image just proves how pathetic our choices are

so keep posting.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #90)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:16 PM

93. Perhaps you'll like this one better

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:31 PM

95. Brushing up on Republican tactics?

Sorry, you can repeat it forever and put a shine on it but it still looks like shit. Putting her up against a bunch of monkeys does make her look slightly palatable in a puke-ish kind of way. Sorry don't you have more Hillary re branding to do?

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Response to Phlem (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:39 PM

96. Posting a DU pick of the moment is a Republican tactic?



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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #96)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:47 PM

99. Now is that what I said?

Repeating an idea, ideology, bullshit that's all dressed up with no where to go? That's classic Republican tactic or did you not know that?

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Response to Phlem (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:48 PM

100. It is, actually

Repeating an idea, ideology, bullshit that's all dressed up with no where to go? That's classic Republican tactic or did you not know that?

Sounds like the typical progressive mentality.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #100)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:53 PM

102. ah we have some revealing truth now.

But I thought Hillary was progressive?

"Sounds like the typical progressive mentality." I knew you were anti progressive. Thanks for the confirmation.

And we are done.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #102)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:57 PM

104. I'm glad you agree.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:51 PM

101. she is? Please prove that!

 

she is nearly as Left as EW.....so please continue with your proof...

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Response to Phlem (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:56 PM

75. The op posted a legit news story.

 

Nobody is shoving anything.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:59 PM

78. She is not a progressive, She is Third Way.

No amount of fantasy talk will convince me otherwise.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:04 PM

80. hey

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:08 PM

83. I'm sure this was the motivation for your OP.

Still doesn't make it so.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:11 PM

85. It was the opposite. My OP was the motivation for the image. But don't forget...

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #85)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:13 PM

89. Thanks Bud. I'll make sure to print it throw

darts at it.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:15 PM

91. Don't mention it!

And enjoy your fast approaching vacation.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:04 PM

81. And I respect your honest view. i don't agree with you but you don't like her and i say speak your

 

Mind.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:34 AM

122. haha, if we go by popularity on DU Kucinich should have easily been the nominee

 

and Obama would have lost the primary by a huge amount.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:12 PM

88. I would hope so! Her GOP rivals are all clowns.

 

A bacon sandwich would have a large lead over the GOP candidates.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:19 PM

94. Great news! The republican clown car is just getting underway and

 

democrats are way in the lead already!

I can't wait to vote for our next democratic President whoever he or she may be!

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:45 PM

97. It's interesting that the numbers are almost the same for all contenders.

It suggests that there is very little wiggle room in the middle - that both sides are entrenched and not likely to change their minds. It also suggests that the nation is heavily favoring the Democrats for 2016.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:45 PM

98. Meaningless. Dems don't vote. She will lose. Period.

I'll vote. You'll vote. But amidst all the horror Dems don't vote.

I'll believe she, or any Dem, wins hen I see it.

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Response to broadcaster75201 (Reply #98)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:16 PM

105. Ridiculous statements. Both of them.

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Response to broadcaster75201 (Reply #98)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:18 AM

130. So Dems did not vote for Barack Obama during both his presidential elections?

Then it must have been his vast Republican base that put him in the White House 2 times!

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Response to broadcaster75201 (Reply #98)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:46 AM

132. "Dems don't vote" is a ridiculous comment...

 

...they may not vote in off-year elections. I seem to recall a lot of them voting in 2008 and 2012.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:33 PM

107. Again this is posted, and again I'll say.....

 

...good for her. With such high levels of support she won't need my time, money, or vote. Glad to hear it. Best of luck to Mrs. Clinton.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:47 PM

108. Only on DU, a supposedly pro-Democratic party forum, would good news like this get so few recs.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:22 PM

111. Crazy ain't it?

 

I do not agree with Hillary on every issue but damn, if she gets the nomination I will back her one million percent!

Or any other democrat because....insane theocratic teabaggers!

Its going to be real interesting to see what happens around here after the democratic nominee is chosen.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:47 PM

114. Absolutely sad!

 

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Response to Metric System (Reply #108)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:05 PM

138. DU does not represent most Democrats

It represents the activist wing of the party. The activist wings of both parties are further from the center than most of their fellow members.

The problem I see here at DU is that many can't see that Hillary supporters and Warren/Sanders supporters have broad agreement on a wide array of issues; instead, they delight in labeling Hillary supporters as third-way corporate shills. I saw many of these same attacks against Hillary supporters by Obama supporters in 2008. To be sure, I largely approve of Barack Obama's President, but many of those same supporters from 2008 can do nothing but express how disappointed they are in his President, and how we need a "true progressive." What America needs is an effective leader -- one who knows foreign policy; has served in the legislative branch; one who understands the way the White House (and a governor's mansion) works; and yes -- one who doesn't completely frighten business interests. Hillary Clinton fits that description. The fact that her husband is an extremely popular ex-President is a bonus.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #138)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 10:40 AM

146. Actually....

...I want somebody in there who FRIGHTENS THE HELL out of business interests!!!!!

That's precisely why I say that the only reason why I'll vote for HRC (assuming she's the nominee) is to keep the Repubs out. It will be with a gas mask on my face and with great trepidation.

But a vote is a vote, right, Hillary? (And the rest of the Turd Wayers)?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:43 PM

161. Yep, that's why this site has become a joke.

All the pissing and moaning because a potential Democratic candidate beats out every Republican candidate.

Crazy..........

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:12 PM

109. Ok. What about Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? Or Grayson? Or even Sherrod Brown?

 

You know, someone who gets it?

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #109)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:37 AM

131. Warren doesn't want to run (but you knew that)

 

Sherrod Brown doesn't want to run either (I actually asked)

Alan Grayson? Name a House member who's ever been a competitive Presidential candidate. (or is that not the point?)

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #131)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:51 AM

137. You forgot to mention that Bernie Sanders is not a registered Democrat

....but I suspect the poster also knew that.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:18 PM

110. Don't forget the 1% also supports her

 

Sure, they would rather a Republican win the general election. But the 1% will favor Hillary in the Democratic primary.

Wall Street does not consider Hillary a threat at all.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:37 PM

112. That will change once the campaign starts. Still early.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:46 PM

113. The more she's out there, the less people like her.

 

Conversely, out of the public eye, her favorability soars.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/msnbc-hillary-more-shes-public-spotlight-less-public-seems-her

That should make another run for POTUS fun.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #113)

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:48 PM

115. Yeah, that's what I think. And lately she has been very quiet.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #113)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:35 AM

120. This is not a revelation, it is true of any public figure.

Even someone like George W. Bush has increased his popularity markedly since leaving office and no longer being involved in the daily partisan scrum.

There is no doubt Hillary's numbers will come back down to earth as she reengages politically, but she remains the best shot of Democrats to win a third term in the White House.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #120)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 04:20 AM

121. as in how can I miss you if you won't go away?

 

Not a revelation but it makes running a protracted political campaign a huge problem. Her unfavorables are high right out of the gate.

She was the "best shot" in 2008 too. According to her camp, nobody else could win. It's wasn't a particularly convincing argument then. It's laughable now.

Elizabeth Warren has the big mo. She's lightning in a bottle. She's the best candidate hands down.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #120)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 06:58 AM

123. not only is it not a revelation. It's a contradictory statement

People who despise Clinton comfort themselves with two contradictory crutches -

1. Her high ratings are just NAME RECOGNITION
2. The MORE she's out there, the LESS people like her.



Bill and Hillary Clinton remain two of the most investigated and written about people in history. As Bartcop once said, "We've never looked at (anyone) so close in all of history. Elvis, JFK, the Beatles and Jesus Christ combined never had so many scurrilous, untrue,
shit-for-brains lies told about them."

For as the ABC poll said, Hillary's history is a PLUS for her, not a negative.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:01 AM

124. Great. The 99% get fucked regardless of who wins

Not to blow off reproductive rights, but there are lots of other issues.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:53 AM

128. War and Wall Street 2016

 

What's not to like?

Inevitable as ever.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:18 AM

133. K&R!

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:43 AM

136. 22 months is an eternity in American politics, but I'm happy to see this

Bill Clinton was easily the best President in my lifetime (caveat: too soon to tell with Obama -- I think you have to give it 5 years or so to really see with clarity). I like the fact that Bill would likely have a signifigant role in a Hillary Clinton administration, and I like that she brings experience as both Senator and SecState to the position. I also see her as our best shot at not waking up with President Christie in late January of 2017.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 01:14 AM

142. She'll need a big lead to make up for all the REAL DEMS that won't vote for Queen of the Blue Dogs

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #142)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 09:19 AM

145. snicker...

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 01:18 AM

143. gop are terrified that many gop women will cross over

 

To see a woman prez

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Sat Jan 24, 2015, 05:52 AM

144. Don't expect to many Clinton supporter here..

It is afterall an "elitist" underground democratic site.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:22 AM

148. Women, under 40, minorities and low income voters. Sounds like my kind of folks.

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 07:44 PM

151. She's a shoe-in to be the Republican nominee. :D nt

 

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:31 PM

152. Hillary Clinton?

I remember a little known thing called "vote your conscience". When I walk into the voting booth, and there is no one in the two major parties who represents my values, should I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, or should I cast my ballot for a third party who has little chance of winning?

Hillary Clinton is better than the Republicans on social issues, but on almost everything else, she does not represent my values or represent what I see as a way forward for our country. As a senator she enthusiastically voted for the Iraq War and tried to out hawk the Republicans. She only changed her mind when it became politically expedient. She continued this war-mongering as Secretary of State - she supports Israel right or wrong in its subjugation of the Palestinians, she sided with the neo-cons on Iran until that was politically expedient too. Her ties and sympathies with Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, etc, are well-documented, though I'm sure she may veer slightly left to try to forestall a Warren or Sanders candidacies.

She wears the air of inevitability like a badge, both for the nomination and the presidency. But should I or other progressives vote for someone in the primaries who doesn't represent our wishes for the country, or should we vote for someone who will actually fight for what we believe in?

Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks out of both sides of her mouth, and her message depends on which way the wind blows. I won't vote for a Republican, but neither will I vote for someone who betrays my beliefs. An I have a feeling I'm not alone in this.

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Response to sus453 (Reply #152)

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:34 PM

153. But she still kicks every Republican's ass by double digits, which is the point of the OP

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Response to wyldwolf (Original post)

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:45 PM

162. Why does a Democrat beating the pants off Republicans make members of a board for Democrats upset?

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