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SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:39 PM Apr 2012

Father, Puts Wire On Son With Autism, Records Verbal Abuse From Teacher

Last edited Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:44 AM - Edit history (1)

When Stuart Chaifetz sent his 10-year-old son to New Jersey's Horace Mann Elementary School wearing a hidden audio recorder, he couldn't have predicted what he would uncover.

The move came in reaction to accusations from the school that his son Akian was having "violent outbursts," including hitting his teacher and teacher's aide -- claims that Chaifetz claims are against his son's "sweet and non-violent" nature.

Akian, who has Autism, returned with a tape containing hours of apparent verbal and emotional abuse from his classroom aide and teacher -- whom Chaifetz identifies as "Jodi" and "Kelly" -- a recording which his father later published on YouTube.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/stuart-chaifetz-father-wire-son-records-teacher-abuse_n_1447330.html?ref=mostpopular

Fire these two worthless *&^&^#* now!!

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Father, Puts Wire On Son With Autism, Records Verbal Abuse From Teacher (Original Post) SpartanDem Apr 2012 OP
Maybe these teachers should be fired, but I personally don't think an Autistic child should be teddy51 Apr 2012 #1
The article makes it pretty clear that is was a Special Needs class. Thor_MN Apr 2012 #2
Thanks for responding... Cause that really was a test on my part. I have not had a response teddy51 Apr 2012 #4
Welcome! I think it is just a coincidence! Logical Apr 2012 #7
Maybe so! n/t teddy51 Apr 2012 #8
You are welcome. Thor_MN Apr 2012 #19
2161 posts and not one fucking response? Are you kidding me? lonestarnot Apr 2012 #40
Luckily, you have the luxury of being ignorant of what you're saying. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #5
+1,000 on the prosecution comment. Scuba Apr 2012 #29
+ lonestarnot Apr 2012 #39
I beg to differ Canuckistanian Apr 2012 #13
Stories like this are why I have always been adamant that my son stay in GE classroom. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #22
Many didn't think mine did either. mmonk Apr 2012 #16
BoooWaaaah!!! Good on you and good on him!!! Scuba Apr 2012 #30
UM.. depends on the kid.. I have a son with Autism SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #25
I was wrong in saying that, and you are correct. Just as long as the child does not disrupt teddy51 Apr 2012 #27
Wow.. you don't see that shit too often on DU.. SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #28
Welcome to DU. Bertrand Russell said something to the effect of.... Scuba Apr 2012 #31
I figure we all screw up from time to time and we should own up to it when we do. teddy51 Apr 2012 #34
Good attitude. Only confident people can admit mistakes, and doing so reeks confidence... Scuba Apr 2012 #35
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #44
LOL, this autistic person did just fine in the classroom. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #36
Watching that full video makes me so mad. That poor child. Such heartless teachers. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #3
this should be a crime. Whisp Apr 2012 #6
Stuart Chaifetz, you are my hero. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #9
I saw this a couple of days ago, and it made me nauseated. Butterbean Apr 2012 #10
+1.. But the suits aren't to make money... freshwest Apr 2012 #11
Creepy stuff. Frankly, it's hard to believe she's tenured. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2012 #12
What's worse that teacher still hasn't been fired SpartanDem Apr 2012 #14
Instinct tells me she's a patronage hire. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author SpartanDem Apr 2012 #24
Has nothing to do with the unions... cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #41
The problem is there's no feedback loop lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #45
The same was true for regular kids or parents...there were no unannounced visitors cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #46
The Peter Principle. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #38
This is one of many ways that technology is great! Tripod Apr 2012 #15
It's so sad. It just breaks my heart to hear it. Akian has Liquorice Apr 2012 #18
good fucking god... Maine-ah Apr 2012 #20
What really bugs me about these stories of abusive teachers and abusive cops ... GOTV Apr 2012 #21
Here, both the teacher and the aide were being abusive XemaSab Apr 2012 #23
Of course they know. But they would lose their job. Prove it. cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #47
As a former teacher Rex Apr 2012 #26
Firstly, I am very proud of this father for defending and protecting his son... Scuba Apr 2012 #32
Horrible. These teachers should be blacklisted nationwide. aikoaiko Apr 2012 #33
And their higher-ups who "reassigned" them. Zalatix Apr 2012 #42
Those teachers should be fired PRONTO! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #37
When I saw "put a wire on son" I about choked on my coffee cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #43
To all those that I offended with my post, I humbly apologize and don't know what I was teddy51 Apr 2012 #48
I'm sorry for jumping in your shit about it. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #51
Similar issue..Teacher now gone H. Cromwell Apr 2012 #49
Jesus. BlueIris Apr 2012 #50
 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
1. Maybe these teachers should be fired, but I personally don't think an Autistic child should be
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:44 PM
Apr 2012

in public classes. As with the 6 year old girl that was hand cuffed, he should be in Special Needs.

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
4. Thanks for responding... Cause that really was a test on my part. I have not had a response
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:02 AM
Apr 2012

since I posted on this site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1137&pid=10413

I am wondering how Homophobic DU really is? Hope I am wrong, but who knows?

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
19. You are welcome.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 07:14 AM
Apr 2012

I can't really speak for any one other than myself, but I think everyone is welcome here. Many, if not most, comments will not draw responses. Generally, responses are either "you are wrong, blah, blah, blah" or "Hells yeah!!!" A bit too much of the former, but that's life, not every one agrees on all points.

I suppose the possibilty exists that there could be people who track what forums people post in, but really, who has the time? One of the advantages of online conversations is the anonymity, one interacts with people purely based on the content of what they say. Put the same two people in an elevator for 5 minutes and they might not say a word to each other.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
5. Luckily, you have the luxury of being ignorant of what you're saying.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:02 AM
Apr 2012

Autism isn't one thing, even though you think it is. Many kids with autism excel in general ed classes, and many more could if schools would simply try.

Abusive teachers shouldn't be fired, they should be prosecuted.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
13. I beg to differ
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:34 AM
Apr 2012

My son is autistic, and he's always advanced with his classmates in a regular classroom.

Just because you read 'autistic', it doesn't mean that the kid is severely disabled. There are a range of behaviors and the severity of autism.
That's why it's called the 'autism spectrum'

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
22. Stories like this are why I have always been adamant that my son stay in GE classroom.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:55 AM
Apr 2012

Learning centers and the like are places where a teacher can say and do anything they want without fear of credible witnesses. I'm sure that most do not, but some obviously do.

In my school district a couple of years ago a teacher was disciplined (I think she now teaches in another district) for restraining an autistic kindergartener so another student could hit him.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
16. Many didn't think mine did either.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:29 AM
Apr 2012

He now has 3 Associate Degrees and is finishing up a Bachelor's Degree at NC State.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
25. UM.. depends on the kid.. I have a son with Autism
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:40 PM
Apr 2012

and we pushed the school to allow him in regular classes starting in middle school. It took some patience and adjustment for everyone involved but now he's in high school and just scored the highest in the school on his advanced placement tests.

You obviously don't know much about Autism. Many kids with it are functional, and the habit the schools have of just dumping kids into "special needs" classes because they have a diagnosis is a mistake.

Each kid should be judged on his or her own merits.

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
27. I was wrong in saying that, and you are correct. Just as long as the child does not disrupt
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:02 PM
Apr 2012

the teacher and the rest of the class, it's probably best that they are in regular classes.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
28. Wow.. you don't see that shit too often on DU..
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:19 PM
Apr 2012

Thanks!

And don't sweat it, most people see the word Autism and they automatically think "Rain Man". They have no idea how different the disease can be for different people.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
31. Welcome to DU. Bertrand Russell said something to the effect of....
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:49 PM
Apr 2012

It's fools and fanatics who are so sure of themselves, while wiser men are filled with doubt.


And only a fool will refuse to change his/her mind when presented with new facts.

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
34. I figure we all screw up from time to time and we should own up to it when we do.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:10 PM
Apr 2012

I don't have a problem admitting it and/or saying I'm sorry.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
35. Good attitude. Only confident people can admit mistakes, and doing so reeks confidence...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 06:12 PM
Apr 2012

I never understood the fear some folks have of admitting errors.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
10. I saw this a couple of days ago, and it made me nauseated.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:24 AM
Apr 2012

Mr. Chaifetz says he's not interested in suing, and I commend him for that, as he is clearly a much nobler person than I am. I would sue. I would be screaming for someone's head on a platter. My child is in a self contained classroom, and he is there because it is supposed to be a safe place for him. Thank God his teacher is one in a million, and she is amazing. If this happened to my kid, heads would roll and I would most certainly sue.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. +1.. But the suits aren't to make money...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:40 AM
Apr 2012

They are to force them to treat ALL of these kids as human beings... Which does cost them money, yes. But not for one person. There are some horrific things going on in this country right now... And some very good things such as you know. So glad to hear that your child is in a safe situation.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
12. Creepy stuff. Frankly, it's hard to believe she's tenured.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:15 AM
Apr 2012

Sounds more like temp-agency quality, non-union teachers favored increasingly by NJ school districts.

Good on pops for standing by his kid.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
17. Instinct tells me she's a patronage hire.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:32 AM
Apr 2012

Meaning she's got the job 'cuz she's someone's wife,gf, sister, etc.

I might be wrong. But no union is going to insist on a clause saying that spec ed teachers can't be fired for tormenting handicapped kids. That's just nuts.

There might be a due process delay.... meaning she's entitled to a hearing ( as she SHOULD be ).... after which she'll be canned. Unless she can show that her actions and statements were somehow excusable in a broader context.


Judging by the tape, it's hard to see how that could happen.


Or maybe she's just being protected by higher-ups. The aforementioned patrons. We'll see.

Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #17)

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
41. Has nothing to do with the unions...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:33 PM
Apr 2012

it's tenure and that was around long before teacher's unions. Unions didn't really get involved until the mid 70's. I was there for both, but young enough to get out and get a real paying job.

There were some incredibly bad, burned out teachers who did nothing but show up, but they had to hang on until retirement because they couldn't get a job anywhere else. Everyone knew it, too.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
45. The problem is there's no feedback loop
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:47 PM
Apr 2012

Kids with disabilities can't testify credibly for themselves.

In that kind of situation, it would not be unusual for anyone to do the bare minimum and blame the outcome on the kids disabilities.

I think that special ed classrooms should have "dashboard cams", for the same reasons that cops do.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
46. The same was true for regular kids or parents...there were no unannounced visitors
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apr 2012

and the intercoms had to be activated from classroom to office so that they could not "listen in" to classroom activities. I dont know how it is today, but the principal or administration should always be able to listen to what is going on in the classroom.

Liquorice

(2,066 posts)
18. It's so sad. It just breaks my heart to hear it. Akian has
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:15 AM
Apr 2012

at least one wonderful thing going for him--his dad. He's like SuperDad. A kid couldn't have a more devoted, loving dad than Stuart Chaifetz, at least that's how it seems to me from the video.

I hope Stuart gets justice for Akian, and maybe he can help change things for other kids in Akian's situation. I personally think cameras in all classrooms wouldn't be a bad idea at all. I'm sure it would be expensive, but it would stop a lot of the nonsense that goes on with bullying, etc. Cameras can make people behave.

GOTV

(3,759 posts)
21. What really bugs me about these stories of abusive teachers and abusive cops ...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:59 AM
Apr 2012

... is that I have a hard time believing that their coworkers don't know something about it and didn't do anything about it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. As a former teacher
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:43 PM
Apr 2012

this makes me sick to my stomach. It exposes an ugly truth about some teachers - not all the bullies are kids in the classroom. Some of them are irresponsible adults put into a position of power.

Makes me sick.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
32. Firstly, I am very proud of this father for defending and protecting his son...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:54 PM
Apr 2012

...sadly, not every parent would do so.

Secondly, I agree with LumberjackJeff (above) that abusive teachers should be prosecuted.


I have two special needs kids (not autism, now both grown). One was "written off" by the school system. Per the school psychologist, "The best you can hope for is that he can clean bathrooms at McDonalds."


He now has an associates degree and a job. He pays a higher tax rate than Mitt Romney.

Good on all the folks who replied to this thread about their own children. They're blessed to have you.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
43. When I saw "put a wire on son" I about choked on my coffee
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:42 PM
Apr 2012

holy moly that took "hutzpah". Go, Dad! However, now they'll be frisking the kids for wires and guns.

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
48. To all those that I offended with my post, I humbly apologize and don't know what I was
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 12:30 AM
Apr 2012

talking about. Please forgive me, and I will try to do better on DU!

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
51. I'm sorry for jumping in your shit about it.
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:39 AM
Apr 2012

I should do better too.

But a little history is in order. 40 years ago schools were not obliged to teach kids with disabilities. "Autism? Sorry. I hear there's a church the next town over who has a little parents club that meets in the basement. Maybe they'll teach your kid."

Today, kids with disabilities are entitled to a free and appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment. This is a good thing, and a vast improvement over the past.

Every student "disrupts" the education of every other student to one degree or another. Having people with disabilities in the classroom, even if their behaviors are odd, enriches the education of the other kids.



It was a collective epiphany when RFK reminded us all that these are "our fellow citizens".
 

H. Cromwell

(151 posts)
49. Similar issue..Teacher now gone
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 01:15 AM
Apr 2012

Neighbor's 13yr old Joey, is autistic, has a science teacher that is a bullying POS. Grabbing kids by the neck, telling whole classes they are useless, screaming and spitting in students faces.
He is tenured...and he is now gone.
I wasn the process of getting Joey and his mother legal counsel. The kid was terrified to go to school.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
50. Jesus.
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 01:30 AM
Apr 2012

Abusers should not be in education. Or the work force. They are a danger to everyone around them.

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