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Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:34 PM

Weapons Expert Who Worked With Dr David Kelly Found Dead In "Apparent Suicide"

Suicide riddle of weapons expert who worked with David Kelly: Scientist tells wife he is going for a walk, then takes his life in a field... just like his friend
Body of Dr Richard Holmes discovered in a field four miles from the Porton Down defence establishment
Police said there were no suspicious circumstances in latest case but revealed scientist was 'under a great deal of stress'
He resigned from Porton Down last month, but it is unclear why

By NICK CONSTABLE and IAN GALLAGHER
PUBLISHED: 16:58 EST, 21 April 2012 | UPDATED: 17:45 EST, 21 April 2012


A weapons expert who worked with Dr David Kelly at the Government’s secret chemical warfare laboratory has been found dead in an apparent suicide.

In circumstances strongly reminiscent of Dr Kelly’s own mysterious death nine years ago, the body of Dr Richard Holmes was discovered in a field four miles from the Porton Down defence establishment in Wiltshire. It is not yet known how he died.

Mr Holmes, 48, had gone missing two days earlier after telling his wife he was going out for a walk – just as Dr Kelly did before he was found dead at an Oxfordshire beauty spot in July 2003


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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133201/Dr-Richard-Holmes-Suicide-riddle-weapons-expert-worked-David-Kelly.html#ixzz1t6O54adj

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Reply Weapons Expert Who Worked With Dr David Kelly Found Dead In "Apparent Suicide" (Original post)
kpete Apr 2012 OP
99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #1
Hissyspit Apr 2012 #50
99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #52
Ian David Apr 2012 #2
MADem Apr 2012 #36
Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #44
hobbit709 Apr 2012 #3
freshwest Apr 2012 #6
ananda Apr 2012 #4
MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #9
peace frog Apr 2012 #40
Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #5
former9thward Apr 2012 #7
bluedigger Apr 2012 #8
riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #10
glinda Apr 2012 #11
rudycantfail Apr 2012 #17
Melissa G Apr 2012 #38
DotGone Apr 2012 #12
99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #53
lovuian Apr 2012 #13
joshcryer Apr 2012 #14
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #28
truedelphi Apr 2012 #42
The Wizard Apr 2012 #15
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #25
HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #26
Matilda Apr 2012 #16
FreeBC Apr 2012 #49
OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #18
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #19
Ilsa Apr 2012 #20
ujmujmujm Apr 2012 #21
rudycantfail Apr 2012 #22
CoffeeCat Apr 2012 #23
liberalmike27 Apr 2012 #32
cbdo2007 Apr 2012 #37
Kurovski Apr 2012 #24
Ford_Prefect Apr 2012 #27
lonestarnot Apr 2012 #29
marshall gaines Apr 2012 #30
Cleita Apr 2012 #31
AnneD Apr 2012 #33
eShirl Apr 2012 #34
barbtries Apr 2012 #35
Rex Apr 2012 #39
solarman350 Apr 2012 #43
Rex Apr 2012 #47
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #41
Auntie Bush Apr 2012 #45
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #46
Mc Mike Apr 2012 #51
aquart Apr 2012 #48
DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #54

Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:42 PM

1. Too weird nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:31 PM

50. Harrowdown Hill



Don't walk the plank like I did
You will be dispensed with
When you've become inconvenient
Up on Harrowdown Hill
Where you used to go to school
Thats where I am
Thats where I'm lying down

Did I fall or was I pushed?
Did I fall or was I pushed?
And wheres the blood?
And wheres the blood?

I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
So dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it

So don't ask me
Ask the ministry
Don't ask me
Ask the ministry

We think the same things at the same time
There are so many of us
So you can't count

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us
So you can't count

Can you see me when I'm running?
Can you see me when I'm running?
Away from them

I can't take their pressure
No one cares if you live or die
They just want me gone
They want me gone

I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
So dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just cant do anything about it

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us
So you can't count

I was lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill
It was me lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill
I was lured into the back of Harrowdown Hill
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope
It was a slippery slippery slippery slope
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness
I feel me slipping in and out of consciousness
I feel me...

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 04:28 PM

52. Nice. Thanks for sharing this. ~nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:49 PM

2. Is it just me, or is something off here? n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:20 PM

36. It's not you. Something IS off. nt

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Response to Ian David (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:09 PM

44. I always thought something was off with Dr. Kelly...now this new one!

For sure someone is offing scientists who probably know too much.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:53 PM

3. Is it contagious?

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:58 PM

6. Must be. Not exactly the 'and the truth shall set you free' model, but...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:55 PM

4. My suspicion meter just went off the dial..

.. dingdingdingdingding.

Call me a "coincidence theorist," as Gore Vidal woud say.

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Response to ananda (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:31 PM

9. +1

 

This is getting very, very worrisome.

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Response to ananda (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:18 PM

40. Me three

Curiouser and curiouser.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:55 PM

5. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:58 PM

7. Nothing to see here folks,just move along.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:01 PM

8. Hey, it worked the first time...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:34 PM

10. No need for the tinfoil hat icon, this truly IS scary reminiscent K&R nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:45 PM

11. Under stress...might mean threats to family "so talk a walk" and

we will make it painless.

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Response to glinda (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:37 PM

17. Yes. n/t

 

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Response to glinda (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:01 PM

38. exactly what I thought was said.

You are going to die. You can do it alone or have company. Why don't you take a walk?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 09:47 PM

12. I think my definition of suicide is different from theirs n/t

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Response to DotGone (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 04:32 PM

53. I think the term that applies here is he was "suicided" by the Dark Side ~nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:04 PM

13. It seems being a weapons expert is hazardous to your health

He was suicided just as Kelly was

Our governments secret agencies are OUT of Control

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:08 PM

14. I always felt David Kelly's death was suspicious, this only underscores it for me.

People need to start leaving "anti-suicide notes." ie, somewhere in their belongings is a note vowing that they didn't kill themselves.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:34 AM

28. Like the Dc Madem did...

Deborah Jeane Palfrey publicly talked about fear of being suicided.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:21 PM

42. Yep, that is very true.

She was indeed quite worried about being suicided.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:20 PM

15. Everything leads back

to the Bush cartel.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:00 AM

25. + 1. Thanks. NT.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:03 AM

26. EVERYTHING!!!!



+100.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:29 PM

16. Does anybody here watch "Spooks"?

I was inclined to hold Tony Blair as the government leader of the time responsible for David Kelly's death, but it seems that it doesn't matter who's in power – the shadowy figures who operate inside MI5 make up their own rules. And any leader who didn't back them up might meet the same fate.

I hope his family and friends scream about this as loudly as they can.

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Response to Matilda (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:26 PM

49. No way

 

Harry wouldn't stand for it!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:38 PM

18. These things happen from time to time. nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:41 PM

19. maybe he was going to spill the beans

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:43 PM

20. Yeah, of course he was under stress.

He knew they were going to kill him.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:02 PM

21. Spam deleted by MaineDem (MIR Team)

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:35 PM

22. I wonder how many times "they" can do this

 

before the story becomes a runaway train.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:52 PM

23. How do they do this?

I believe that he was murdered, just as Kelly was, but how do they commit these crimes and get away with it? Do they wait for the person to leave the house? How does no one see anything suspicious?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:09 AM

32. They are Experts

Highly trained, have a plan, and help. (assuming it is a crime, and not just suicide). You've always got to leave that window open a little bit. It has to be a depressing job, figuring out ways to destroy all, or parts of the whole human population. Even dentists tend to have a high suicide rate--imagine their profession.

Still, I'd have to agree with an earlier post--it seems to be dangerous work, to be a top expert in any military field, or scientific endeavor that involves the ability to kill massive numbers of people.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:23 PM

37. Have you ever seen Breaking Bad???

About the guy dying of cancer, so he turns into a Meth cooker?? Great show. Anyways, seeing as how the main character Walt is mixed in with some pretty scary people, and is hiding most of the gory details from his family, when I read this it totally reminded me of at least a few occasions on the show where he left his house thinking he would never see them again, and knowing they would probably kill him, yet he had to go to his wife and just say "I'm gonna run to the store" or something.

It's really sad and humanized it for me, that this guy probably knew they were after him and whatever the final straw was broke and he just had to go to his wife and give her a kiss and his kids and tell them goodnight, he was "going out for a walk" knowing they would never see each other again. It's the middle of a field, that seems like about the best way to get away with something like this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:37 AM

24. what a world.

my my...someone's list has grown one shorter.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 08:08 AM

27. It seems that the New World Order has no room for Doubt.

Was this a Brown & Root sub-contract or does Halliburton do its own house-keeping?

(One can hardly blame them for applying the tools of the trade since it works equally well on both sides of the Atlantic.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:38 AM

29. Wow WTF!

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:04 AM

30. chemwar dept

 

A chemwar expert who quit? Yep, he has quit, forever. Strange circumstance, me thinks.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:07 AM

31. What are the random odds of another suicide in a rather small club?n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:45 AM

33. WS types....

seem to frequently die in pools or hot tubs. Wonder if there were any drones around?

I hate to be but these days, anyone of a high profile that dies suddenly gets filed in my conspiracy file box. My friends laughed when I talked about the BFEE-Iraq-Contra deals years ago, but they don't laugh as much any more. And all this NSA listening and warrantless wire tapping that is going on...My RW friends do not seem like nut jobs any more either. Politics is not right or left like they would have you to believe...it's circular. And they are playing us for chumps.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:15 PM

34. Did they check for "lead poisoning?"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:18 PM

35. wow

i don't believe that Kelly killed himself and this is very, very suspicious imo.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

39. Assassins are good at what they do.

 

This will be ruled a suicide and pushed under the rug. No evidence of foulplay will ever be found. Score another one for the BFEE.

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Response to Rex (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:37 PM

43. BFEE = "Bush Family Evil Empire"

 

Thought I'd let the noobies know what that acronym stood for. Here are two links to related material:

http://knowyourbfee.blogspot.com
http://www.bartcop.com/bfee-history.htm


The Carlyle Group is STILL around too. I wonder if they've their own section there at the BFEE Compound in Paraguay...

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Response to solarman350 (Reply #43)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:44 PM

47. Thank you! Very good links! I recommend everyone

 

look at the information posted at those URLs...the BFEE is alive and well and like you said, building a private army in their compound in Paraguay. For what purpose? I bet they host all kinds of nefarious corporations there like Blackwater (whatever name they are using now I know they've changed it AGAIN).

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 03:13 PM

41. Porton scientist "no link" to Kelly

THE widow of a Porton Down scientist found dead in a field in Laverstock has rubbished claims of a connection between her husband’s death and that of weapons expert David Kelly, who killed himself in 2003.

Sue Holmes’ husband Richard, 48, went missing from his home in Monxton Close, Bishopdown Farm, on Wednesday, April 11 and his body was discovered two days later.

Reports in national newspapers last week linked his apparent suicide to that of Mr Kelly, who was found dead in Oxfordshire following controversy over a discussion on weapons of mass destruction with a BBC journalist.

Mrs Holmes, who also works at Porton Down, said: “There is absolutely no connection to what happened. It’s just very sad that he equally felt he had to take his own life in the way that Richard did.

http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/salisbury/salisburynews/9669550.Porton_scientist__no_link__to_Kelly/

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:17 PM

45. How does she KNOW there is no connection?

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:26 PM

46. Gosh, being married to him for years?

Sharing his life, his worries, his fears?

As opposed to the experts of DU whose sole knowledge of the man comes from an article in British tabloid, which doesn't actually have any indication of a connection beyond them being friendly when they worked together two decades ago.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #46)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:19 AM

51. Good points, m_v.

But she also has a daughter to be concerned about. If the worst suspicions of the DU 'experts' are well-founded, the surviving loved ones could be expected to back the official story, to keep other loved ones safe.

I understand that could come off as a type of circular logic, or 'believe what you want' logic. You may be right, maybe the death isn't suspicious. But outsiders would see the same stories either way.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 04:51 PM

48. They really need to find another way to resolve their differences.

Killing one's own scientists is just ridiculous.

Not for one tiny second did I buy the premise that David Kelly offed himself before his daughter's wedding.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 05:19 PM

54. Nothing to see here, people, just move along...

 

He resigned from Porton Down last month, although the centre yesterday refused to explain why.
Inevitably, the parallels between the two cases will arouse the suspicions of conspiracy theorists.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133201/Dr-Richard-Holmes-Suicide-riddle-weapons-expert-worked-David-Kelly.html#ixzz1tHIQ1pt0


And what if their theory is correct...?

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