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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:14 PM Jan 2015

Alabama school superintendent bans high school history club from seeing ‘Selma’



Alabama school superintendent bans high school history club from seeing ‘Selma’
Tom Boggioni
18 Jan 2015 at 17:53 ET


A school trip to the see the historical civil rights drama ‘Selma‘ by a high school history club has been cancelled by the school superintendent over concerns over language, reports WAFF.

DeKalb County school superintendent Hugh Taylor cancelled the outing by students at the predominately minority school, saying he was concerned about obscene language and “racial profanity” in the Oscar-nominated film.

An African-American parent of one senior in the history club who had planned on seeing the film questioned the superintendent’s motives.

“It raises my curiosity as to whether something that they are not wanting exposed or the children not to know about.” said Reverend James Stanton. “I don’t believe it is just about the profanity.”

Stanton, who was 20 in 1965, explained that he lived through the era and was warned to stay away out of safety concerns.

“They did not want me to come down and visit because of the violence and the racial problems that they were having at the time.” said Stanton.

According to Taylor, he is concerned about what would happen if a child was offended by the film and wanted to leave the theater, saying he didn’t think teachers should have to be put in the position of playing parent.

Taylor was elected DeKalb County school superintendent in 2013 despite concerns that he sends his won four children to a private Christian academy.

Watch the video below from WAFF @ link~

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/alabama-school-superintendent-bans-high-school-history-club-from-seeing-selma/
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Alabama school superintendent bans high school history club from seeing ‘Selma’ (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 2015 OP
Yes, and he's white, of course. Laffy Kat Jan 2015 #1
Who sends his own kids to private schools. That's some real in-your-face KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #23
Most of the administrators of the public schools in my hometown bigwillq Jan 2015 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #53
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. lpbk2713 Jan 2015 #2
That's 75 years from 1950. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #19
And sometimes they learn and repeat it anyway. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #58
They'll say anything, won't they? gratuitous Jan 2015 #3
Exactly. nt babylonsister Jan 2015 #4
Ridiculous oberliner Jan 2015 #5
That's the way it's normally done throughout the land. The supe is a moron. nt Hekate Jan 2015 #75
"...he didn’t think teachers should have to be put in the position of playing parent..." Iggo Jan 2015 #6
You're so right. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2015 #74
Obscene language and "racial profanity" PumpkinAle Jan 2015 #7
Dumbs*it. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #8
And in DC, at MD border, elleng Jan 2015 #9
The youth group from my church went to see "Selma" this afternoon. kwassa Jan 2015 #10
it is pg-13 d_r Jan 2015 #11
Of course he did.. it would make me want to see it more though. Can we say Backfire on this Cha Jan 2015 #12
This is going to backfire on the sup. roody Jan 2015 #13
Something smells... SoapBox Jan 2015 #14
Of course he sends his school to a private "Christian academy" DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #15
He runs the county school system, which is over 90% white up there. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #21
^ BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #40
+100%. And love the sig line. freshwest Jan 2015 #42
I would hope that the students would be offended avebury Jan 2015 #16
"concerns over language" marmar Jan 2015 #17
I don't mind this administrative decision. Kids and families can go on their own time. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #18
class history heaven05 Jan 2015 #70
It's not exactly a documentary. Meh. I've always been more fond of history books. Movies tend to WinkyDink Jan 2015 #76
No it's not a documentary heaven05 Jan 2015 #78
His actions are more damning than the movie. olegramps Jan 2015 #20
^ THIS ^ mac56 Jan 2015 #30
So what would happen if they just went anyway... ananda Jan 2015 #22
teacher gets fired librechik Jan 2015 #24
Bible Belt JohnnyRingo Jan 2015 #25
In response, teachers should show.... Feron Jan 2015 #26
Terrific series shenmue Jan 2015 #28
Language concerns my Aunt Fanny. 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #27
Could one man be that stupid--or was it a committee decision? Demeter Jan 2015 #29
I would Recommend Django Unchained as a Prequel. - NT freedomrock1970 Jan 2015 #31
buffoon. nt Javaman Jan 2015 #32
Gee. Local movie house let in high school and middle school students for free... Octafish Jan 2015 #33
But I am sure they're perfectly fine with another club going to see American Sniper. Initech Jan 2015 #34
Actually, this is a pretty damn dumb comment. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #77
Why? Was the sarcasm tag missing? Initech Jan 2015 #79
Stupidium mixed with bigotuminum hifiguy Jan 2015 #35
I can see where a school wouldn't want a 13 or 14 year old to see it glasshouses Jan 2015 #36
Why? It's rated PG-13. sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #60
If it was a documentary that was accurate I could see your point glasshouses Jan 2015 #65
Racism and bigotry heaven05 Jan 2015 #71
Local 4PM Anchors in OKC support Superintendent's Decision. avebury Jan 2015 #37
This film is NOT historically accurate. Indydem Jan 2015 #48
You mean white people do not look good in this movie? Mass Jan 2015 #38
I disagree with your post joeglow3 Jan 2015 #63
Look, the people in the south have been snatching pages Stellar Jan 2015 #39
I'm pretty sure HS students hear far worse language in the hallways FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #41
..concerned about obscene language and “racial profanity” blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #43
I hope they also watch "The Butler" online or on TV. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #44
This is about Bartlet Jan 2015 #45
the ultimate concern troll, eom whereisjustice Jan 2015 #46
That will make them want it see it more. U4ikLefty Jan 2015 #47
The kids will see the movie anyway online free bigdarryl Jan 2015 #49
So much for free speech malaise Jan 2015 #50
Agree on selectivity, but the merrily Jan 2015 #52
Nothing to do with free speech oberliner Jan 2015 #55
I was not living in Boston (or maybe even living) when "Banned in Boston" was something merrily Jan 2015 #51
The agenda could not be more clear. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2015 #54
Curious to know if he has nixed other proposed movie field trips oberliner Jan 2015 #56
The south just can't give it up. Vinca Jan 2015 #57
Sounds exactly like an Alabama education to me. Don't need no history. sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #59
It is a PG-13 movie and these are seniors? Jamastiene Jan 2015 #61
I kind of get it from the school-lawsuit-hysteria perspective treestar Jan 2015 #62
Wouldn't want the truth to get out to the young, innocent racists of tomorrow. Hulk Jan 2015 #66
It might be time for Movie Night at the local church. Scruffy Rumbler Jan 2015 #67
He didn't ban them from seeing any film. Why do you think he banned them? TheManInTheMac Jan 2015 #68
"Ban" seems a little overdramatic.. Chakaconcarne Jan 2015 #83
went to link heaven05 Jan 2015 #69
they still don't get it ecstatic Jan 2015 #72
If the theater had a clue they would offer the whole class free admission on a weekend. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #73
does this clueless twit think HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS have never heard swearing before? niyad Jan 2015 #80
I give you hugh taylor: niyad Jan 2015 #81
Sounds like it would be a nice trip for the history club. DawgHouse Jan 2015 #82
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
23. Who sends his own kids to private schools. That's some real in-your-face
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jan 2015

hypocrisy there. You cannot make it up. (Dante has a spot reserved for this douchenozzle Taylor in the 8th circle of his Inferno, btw.)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
64. Most of the administrators of the public schools in my hometown
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jan 2015

sent their kids to private schools. SMH

Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #1)

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
2. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jan 2015



And evidently this anachronistic clown wants the next generation of Alabamians to turn the calendar back 75 years.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Ridiculous
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jan 2015

Send home parental permission slips. Note the bad language. Offer an alternative for the students whose parents do not want them to attend.

Iggo

(47,549 posts)
6. "...he didn’t think teachers should have to be put in the position of playing parent..."
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jan 2015

stupidstupidstupidstupidstupid...

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
74. You're so right.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jan 2015
stupidstupidstupidstupidstupid

It's called "In Loco Parentis" and is the policy in public schools. As I tell my students, it doesn't mean your parents are nuts, it means that we teachers are acting as their parents when they are in our care. All this would have taken is a note home, with alternative assignments for any kid whose parents object.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
7. Obscene language and "racial profanity"
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jan 2015

what a ridiculous excuse - it was the Civil Rights Movement - a major, major part of American history and one where Alabama played a huge role. If the children are upset by the language - let them talk about it and learn why people spoke the way they did and why resorting to obscene language was a release for them.

Let the children learn - history comes in many forms and is a great teacher!

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
10. The youth group from my church went to see "Selma" this afternoon.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jan 2015

and it is a racially diverse youth group, too.

Cha

(297,137 posts)
12. Of course he did.. it would make me want to see it more though. Can we say Backfire on this
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jan 2015

racist fool?

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
15. Of course he sends his school to a private "Christian academy"
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:50 AM
Jan 2015

They used to call those segregation academies, because white people send all their kids to expensive private schools while the public school become nearly all black. And now this segregationist is running the public schools as poorly as possible, hoping to keep the races separate and one race oppressed.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. He runs the county school system, which is over 90% white up there.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jan 2015

Gotta know your demographics when stories like this come up.
The prime issue in that county/area is poor whites vs. the few rich ones that support the private schools.
The area is not that far from Scottsboro, a place you might have heard of.

The guy does not want the students to learn a different version of the history being taught in his schools.
Little does he realize the movie can be found all over the internet, and in dvd form soon.

I would love to see the curriculum for the private academies that are all over the state, including the one in my town.


avebury

(10,952 posts)
16. I would hope that the students would be offended
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jan 2015

by the treatment of blacks during the Civil Rights Era (and even before that as a matter of fact). I wish that the parents would push to put together a field trip to get as many of the kids to see the movie as possible. If I were one of the parents I would be more then willing to take time off from work to help the kids see the movie.

Taylor is more concerned about white sensibilities then the truth of what was taking place in Alabama during that era. If there is any group with the right to be angry it is the blacks for the way they were treated for years. People like Taylor are afraid that movies like Selma will encourage minorities to stand up for their right to vote in a time when states are trying to pass laws that have the impact of trying to limit the right to vote. It is amazing that, in the 21st Century, Americans once again have to fight for the right to vote.

marmar

(77,072 posts)
17. "concerns over language"
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

Yeah, words like equality, oppression, segregation, racism etc etc.

Dios Mio.


 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
76. It's not exactly a documentary. Meh. I've always been more fond of history books. Movies tend to
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:26 AM
Jan 2015

be less accurate, shall we say.

I'm not, though, opposed to the students seeing "Selma." I showed "Becket" in a couple classes. But I did it IN my class, and didn't interrupt other subject teachers' schedules.


 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
78. No it's not a documentary
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:03 AM
Jan 2015

it is a movie about a period of our history that is shameful and evil being perpetrated by ignorant and vicious people at the behest of their masters and that has returned big time. It is also a movie about people having the courage to stand against A COMPLETE CULTURAL SYSTEM that is evil and vicious. Being prepared and understanding what's coming your way is much better than no preparation at all. These young kids must understand what they are facing in this the 21st century of our 'democracy'. Small 'd' and always will be. Yeah I was fond, all through high school, of history books and classes, until I found out how many lies were written on so many pages concerning american exceptionalism.

My service in Vietnam started me questioning the veracity of the claims of what america was trying to accomplish. Man did that open a floodgate. Ever turn your students on to Lerone Bennett, Howard Zinn just to name a couple?

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
20. His actions are more damning than the movie.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jan 2015

It tells the students that racism is alive and well in Alabama and they are still considered second class humans.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
22. So what would happen if they just went anyway...
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jan 2015

That's what I would do.

Then, if that sup tried to punish me, I'd sue.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
24. teacher gets fired
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jan 2015

if it were any place other than Alabama, I would recommend fighting. But the whole legal system there is corrupt. No justice ever in Alabama. teacher would be lucky not to wind up in prison, like the last Democratic Governor there. Jailed for acting Republican while Democrat.

JohnnyRingo

(18,624 posts)
25. Bible Belt
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jan 2015

I believe the super sidestepped what could have been a nightmare for him. Sure, a few parents in Alabama would be upset their kids were seeing a civil rights movie alone, but I'm sure many would be even more incensed that their kids were exposed to raw language by the school that they expect to shelter them from such blasphemous script. Some would have complained about their kids seeing Fantasia.

I think the superintendent was in a corner here. I don't know him and can't vouch for him of course, but I'm willing to give him a break considering where he teaches. Some of his students probably have parents who monitor TV shows looking for profanity so they can write ranting letters to the networks.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
27. Language concerns my Aunt Fanny.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jan 2015

These are high school kids. I'd be really surprised if there is language in this movie that they all haven't heard, and in many cases probably used on a regular basis.

And how can the principal ban them from doing something done off campus and on their own time?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
33. Gee. Local movie house let in high school and middle school students for free...
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jan 2015

...with a parent or adult going to the film.

Anyone wondering: "What's wrong with Alabama?" should also remember Gov. Don Siegelman.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
34. But I am sure they're perfectly fine with another club going to see American Sniper.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jan 2015

Or a Ted Nugent concert.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. Stupidium mixed with bigotuminum
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jan 2015

We will never run out of either, it seems. Horseshit on stilts and steroids.

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
36. I can see where a school wouldn't want a 13 or 14 year old to see it
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:31 PM
Jan 2015

If they are seniors then I don't see a problem.

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
65. If it was a documentary that was accurate I could see your point
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jan 2015

It's a Hollywood movie and many things have been proved were historically inaccurate.

It's a good movie but that's what it is a Hollywood good movie.

The students can go anytime time they want to watch it on their own time.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
71. Racism and bigotry
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jan 2015

are not historically inaccurate neither is the fight against those CONTINUING evils. To see a 'movie' such as this, historically, is a teaching tool. The fight against racism, bigotry and cultural ignorance is not over yet in 50 years that have passed from the time of this 'movie' subject, the racism, bigotry and ignorance is still very prevalent today. "Historically inaccurate" my "aunt fanny".

avebury

(10,952 posts)
37. Local 4PM Anchors in OKC support Superintendent's Decision.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jan 2015

I was so pissed off. To them it was all about the language of the movie.

I emailed both of the anchors and tore them a new one. They totally came across as clueless in not even considering the real impact that the movie can make on people.

The film is historically accurate and just because it does not tell a "pretty story" is not grounds to keep high school kids from seeing it. I pointed out that the missed the bigger picture that it teaches a new generation the importance of registering to vote. I also pointed out to them the fact that the WHITE Superintendent sends his children to a private Christian school.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
48. This film is NOT historically accurate.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 07:05 AM
Jan 2015

From the made-up King speeches, to the portrayal of Johnson as an adversary of Dr. King, the majority of the film is made up for good cinema.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
38. You mean white people do not look good in this movie?
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jan 2015

Frankly, it should be shown to very senior in high school as part of the history program. If there are elements in it that deserve to be corrected, an history teacher should correct them, Inform the parents, give them a choice, but do not forbid it.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
63. I disagree with your post
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jan 2015

I am not speaking to this case specifically, as I have not looked into it enough to form an opinion. However, I believe it is wrong to spend what little classroom time students have to expose them to something that is incorrect and then spend more time telling them what they just spent classroom time on was wrong.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
39. Look, the people in the south have been snatching pages
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jan 2015

out of the history books as fast as they could for awhile now. And then, these people come along and started this bs with this movie.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
41. I'm pretty sure HS students hear far worse language in the hallways
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jan 2015

Of course, some parent somewhere would complain....

Bartlet

(172 posts)
45. This is about
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

a racist not wanting the students he has control over seeing how recent and how close to home the murderous kind of racism was and still is.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
47. That will make them want it see it more.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:02 AM
Jan 2015

Many of these students will probably see the movie on "their own time".

This superintendent dude is a chump BTW.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
49. The kids will see the movie anyway online free
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 07:43 AM
Jan 2015

Most of these kids these days are computer smart this movie is currently online free on several sites.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. I was not living in Boston (or maybe even living) when "Banned in Boston" was something
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:09 AM
Jan 2015

that happened regularly. My understanding, though I never tried to verify, is that banning usually increased ticket and book sales. Just saying.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
61. It is a PG-13 movie and these are seniors?
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

Sounds like a bullshit excuse to me. Imo, that superintendent is using excuses to (try to, in his own mind) hide bigotry.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
62. I kind of get it from the school-lawsuit-hysteria perspective
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

One parent can make a stink over it. If the students in the club want to go, they can still go unofficially.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
66. Wouldn't want the truth to get out to the young, innocent racists of tomorrow.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jan 2015

I totally understand. This would be the LAST thing the racist South would want to have explained to their young KKK members of tomorrow. Hell, it puts the KKK and the thuggish behavior of the disgusting racists in a clear light.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
67. It might be time for Movie Night at the local church.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jan 2015

I wonder if the production company would release a copy for the local church to hold a movie night for the students and their families?
Make a weekend out of it with teach ins!

"predominately minority school"...white superintendent...hmmmm is that the scent of institutional racism?

Chakaconcarne

(2,444 posts)
83. "Ban" seems a little overdramatic..
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jan 2015

I agree it's lame, but given the position the principle is likely in, the unknowns AND the fact that every one of these students can go see it on their own..... "Ban"? Perhaps for the sake of sensationalism (which makes us all look bad BTW). He cancelled the trip.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
69. went to link
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jan 2015

figures.....history hurts the guilty only. It edifies the innocent. Obvious intent here and it ain't about language.....

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
72. they still don't get it
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jan 2015

And I'm glad. Republicans don't want people to learn about (or to be reminded of) how many people died for the right to vote. This push back against voter registration and now civil rights movies will only speed up their demise. The superintendent's actions will cause millions more to see the film, and, yes, take voting more seriously.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
82. Sounds like it would be a nice trip for the history club.
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

Why not just have the permission slip that says the movie is PG-13? I mean, they have to have a permission slip to get on the bus and go on a trip anyway.

So ridiculous.

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