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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:34 AM Jan 2015

Do You think Warren will run?

Not asking if she'd win the primary or if she's electable. Just if you think she'll campaign for the nomination.


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Do You think Warren will run? (Original Post) Prophet 451 Jan 2015 OP
I hope. Fearless Jan 2015 #1
Me too peacebird Jan 2015 #29
I hope she won't. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #2
I thought she was running already Hari Seldon Jan 2015 #3
I like the way you think. Autumn Jan 2015 #14
Yep. And for those that "hope" she doesn't run because they thinks she's best as Senator. Dawgs Jan 2015 #17
Kind of think she won't. ucrdem Jan 2015 #4
Not in '16. A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #5
She'll be 70 in 4 years. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #24
If she were running, there would be a trail saltpoint Jan 2015 #6
You think she would have lready established those? Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #7
Why? Obama didn't have any of those things at this point in 2007. n/t Dawgs Jan 2015 #18
Doubt it, TheCowsCameHome Jan 2015 #8
"NO!" Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #9
AFAIK, she's not said she won't run Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #11
You're pinning a "campaign" on semantics? Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #12
Personally? No Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #13
Probably Not madville Jan 2015 #10
Wish she would and hope she wins but I do not expect her to. pampango Jan 2015 #15
No tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #16
Could be wrong, but I don't think she's said "she does not want to run". Dawgs Jan 2015 #19
There could be other factors too tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #22
How many times does she have to say she isn't running? oberliner Jan 2015 #20
"I shall not seek, nor will I accept..." Iggo Jan 2015 #38
I hope she does, I understand if she decides not to. But we need someone to run Autumn Jan 2015 #21
I think Bernie would have an even harder time of it Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #23
People like his message. I post his things on FB and it says Bernie Sanders Independent. Autumn Jan 2015 #25
Trying to think of how to phrase this Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #26
I have a teabagger ex BIL in Texas, As racist as can be, hates Obama with a passion. Autumn Jan 2015 #28
I'd love it if he did run Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #32
Same here gwheezie Jan 2015 #27
Unfortunately, no. Most of America isn't as liberal as Massachusetts. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #30
That's pretty much my view as well Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #33
Exactly. Senator Warren is GOOD for Mainstreet, but Wall Street *fears* her, and they won't support BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #34
I have three major issues Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #35
Excellent major issues that you've noted there! I agree, 100%. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #40
Not if Clinton is running. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #31
How far behind? Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #36
It's a pretty wide spread. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #37
Ouch, that's pretty crushing numbers Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #41
No. I hope she'd take Secretary of the Treasury though. Or a SCOTUS nomination. Vinca Jan 2015 #39
Is she qualified for SCOTUS? Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #43
Technically, I'm qualified for SCOTUS . . . a frightening thought. Vinca Jan 2015 #45
saw my first Hillary bumper sticker this week. "i'm with Hillary" Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #42
Seems like a coin toss to me. Marr Jan 2015 #44
IMO, her point of view will most certainly run for the presidency. HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #46
Sadly, no. HappyMe Jan 2015 #47
No, she doesn't want the job. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #48
 

Hari Seldon

(154 posts)
3. I thought she was running already
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:18 AM
Jan 2015

Absolutely the most effective campaign I have ever seen.

I cannot remember a candidate who was so eagerly awaited.

Oh I know she says she isn't, but I give that zero consideration.

When the public indicates that they want you to be president, then you ARE running for president. The primaries are merely a formality.

She is running, and she is winning.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
17. Yep. And for those that "hope" she doesn't run because they thinks she's best as Senator.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jan 2015

She will be mostly ignored after the new President is sworn in because much of her popularity surrounds the idea of her running. That and everyone will be focusing on what the new President is doing..not what Warren is doing.

ucrdem

(15,700 posts)
4. Kind of think she won't.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:33 AM
Jan 2015

She wants to, and she's got a great team singing her praises, but if she doesn't pick up some major endorsements she's going to have to give it up for this cycle anyway. NPR asked Jerry Brown last week who he was backing and he said HRC, and if Jerry's okay with it I'm okay with it. The interviewer tried hard to get a disparaging word or wink too but Jerry didn't budge.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
6. If she were running, there would be a trail
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:42 AM
Jan 2015

of contacts -- calls and meetings -- for a campaign staff and fundraising apparatus. Strategists would have been approached.

None of that has happened.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
7. You think she would have lready established those?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jan 2015

We're still a couple of years out from the general, would she have started putting together those frameworks already? I'm British and our elections last maybe 10 weeks so I wouldn't know.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
11. AFAIK, she's not said she won't run
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jan 2015

She's said she isn't running but not that she won't run (AFAIK, although I welcome correction). Subtle but important difference.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
13. Personally? No
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:12 AM
Jan 2015

I'm not pinning anything on anyone (that sounds like it would hurt). But I know some here still think she'll run and I was curious how many thought that.

madville

(7,427 posts)
10. Probably Not
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jan 2015

The corporations and banks would not allow her to win. They know they win either way if HRC gets the nomination, she won't affect them much differently than Jeb or Mitt.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
15. Wish she would and hope she wins but I do not expect her to.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jan 2015

Her expertise in economics is worth a lot in the senate. She would have to get up to speed on foreign policy - which she could well do - since presidents have to have a knowledge of that. I think she will stay put in the senate.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
16. No
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jan 2015

The ultimate decider on whether or not she will run is Elizabeth Warren. She has said repeatedly that she does not want to run, and I believe her.

A presidential campaign puts a lot of stress on the candidate and their family. I don't think she wants that (and it's very legit that she does not).

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
19. Could be wrong, but I don't think she's said "she does not want to run".
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jan 2015

Just that she wasn't.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
22. There could be other factors too
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jan 2015

I read her book about 6 months ago, and IIRC her husband wasn't very keen on her running for senate. I'll have to get it out again next time I go to the library

If she chooses to keep her marriage in tact instead of running for president, would anyone here fault her?

Autumn

(45,517 posts)
21. I hope she does, I understand if she decides not to. But we need someone to run
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jan 2015

who will look out for the poor and working class, Another 4 or 8 years of this we are fucked.

I'm counting on Bernie unless Liz steps up.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
23. I think Bernie would have an even harder time of it
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jan 2015

He describes himself as a "socialist" (although he's closer to a Social Democrat) and you know that word is anathema to much of the genpop.

Autumn

(45,517 posts)
25. People like his message. I post his things on FB and it says Bernie Sanders Independent.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

My republican friends and relatives always click like and I can't think of a one who doesn't agree with what he says.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
26. Trying to think of how to phrase this
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jan 2015

You know how a load of people think Obama's the reincarnation of Stalin? Imagine what they'd do with a guy who actually describes himself as a Socialist. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone trying to murder him.

Autumn

(45,517 posts)
28. I have a teabagger ex BIL in Texas, As racist as can be, hates Obama with a passion.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jan 2015

He likes Bernie. I posed what Bernie said about SS and the one about Veterans and he is still sharing those posts that I posted last week. They like those Socialist programs, and they like anyone who says they must be defended and goes into detail about them.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
32. I'd love it if he did run
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jan 2015

You don't really have a left party over there. You have one centre-right (Dems), one fringe-right (Repubs) and the Teabaggers are outright Fascist. But you don't really have anything on the left. Even Obama is centre-right by global standards.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
27. Same here
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jan 2015

Some of my friends who were attracted to the teabags early on due to the populist message and then realized they were just rightwing loons support bernie.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
30. Unfortunately, no. Most of America isn't as liberal as Massachusetts.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jan 2015

And with Senator Warren on the warpath with Wall Street (granted, that's a GOOD thing unless, of course, you need money in order to win a nationwide election, which is currently the case), all Wall Street money will flood to her Republican opponent, and she'll be crushed. That is, unless people can open powerful PACs equal to those Wall Street PACs and educate the uneducated American voter in time for the Primaries - which is a tall order, at best.

Even Senator Obama needed Wall Street money in order to win from McCain in 2008.

Wall Street (albeit begrudgingly) supported Senator Obama because of the crash, and they - just as we - know that Democrats are the ones who can bring them back from the brink of financial disaster. And we did. But traitors that those Wall Street billionaires are, they turned on then President Obama in 2012 and gave the lion's share of their donations and PAC money to Mittney. But by then President Obama really didn't need them since he was well-known among the electorate and although he didn't copy the 52.9% win from 2008, he did win with 51.1% in 2012.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
33. That's pretty much my view as well
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jan 2015

In America, you don't really seem to have elections anymore, just auctions. And Warren, good as she is, scares the piss out of the big money boys.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
34. Exactly. Senator Warren is GOOD for Mainstreet, but Wall Street *fears* her, and they won't support
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jan 2015

her. And as well-funded as MoveOne.org, even if they were to join forces with other progressive action groups, they can't match the money Wall Street will deluge the candidates with this coming election cycle.

I love Senator Warren, and I do hope she'll run because she'll have my vote in the primaries, but above all else, I want a Democrat in the White House because of three potential Supreme Court seats - Bader-Ginsberg, Kennedy, and Scalia - that will be up for replacements in the next decade. I don't want a Republican President to choose their successors.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
35. I have three major issues
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jan 2015

1) Climate change. I absolutely will not support anyone who denies that A) the earth is warming or B) that humans are the primary cause.
2) Poverty. I will not support anyone who opposes or wants to cut the minimum wage, food stamps or unemployment. I think the minimum wage and food stamps should both be tripled and Clinton's disgraceful gutting of welfare should be repealed post-haste but those aren't a litmus test, just my opinion.
3) Gay rights. I will not support anyone who denies the right to marry to our gay comrades.

Everything else, I'm open to negotiation on. Being British, I can't vote for your president anyway but I'll support (and encourage my friends to vote for) the most liberal candidate available in teh primary and whoever the Dems nominate in the general on teh grounds that teh Democrats might be imperfect but teh Republicans are downright Fascist.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
40. Excellent major issues that you've noted there! I agree, 100%.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jan 2015

There is no sane human being on Earth with more than half a working brain who can deny, with any credibility, that humans don't play a huge role in the alarming climate change we're experiencing.

Equal rights for gay people is here to stay - unless, of course, we get a fully rightwing SCOTUS that might overturn the law through gutting it, just as they've done to the Voting Rights Act. Can you see now how incredibly important it is to ensure that we have a Democrat in the White House? Two of the three justices ready for retiring are Republican justices. Scalia is the worst, only second to Justice Thomas, though. And Kennedy, the so-called "swing voter", has actually been swinging pretty rightwing lately. Both, however, are entering their eighties and ripe for retirement. So they'll either retire or keel over in their posh seats a la the late Chief Justice Rehnquist - a former Rightwinger.

But to address your worries regarding Welfare reform, I'll defer to a 2006 interview by the Examiner with Ron Haskins; one of the people who had helped pass the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)
http://www.brookings.edu/research/interviews/2006/08/24welfare-haskins

It will help give you an insight to the behind-the-scenes machinations in getting this particular bill through, and why it was necessary. To note: President Clinton vetoed two earlier bills to reform Welfare because it was too Republican...i.o.w., it was too harsh on the less fortunate American people who needed help.

Starry Messenger

(32,359 posts)
37. It's a pretty wide spread.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jan 2015
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/228136-hillary-clinton-keeps-massive-lead-over-warren

"The CNN/ORC poll released Sunday finds that Clinton leads by 57 percentage points, 66 percent to 9 percent, over Warren. That lead is essentially unchanged from a CNN poll in November, when Clinton was up 65 percent to 10 percent."

Warren is a political crush of mine as well, but I like Clinton too (not all of her positions, obvs.) I don't think Warren would consider making a Quixotic run against a politician that she's already come out in support of.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
41. Ouch, that's pretty crushing numbers
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jan 2015

Barring some unknown, I think it's pretty likely that HRC will end up being the nominee.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
43. Is she qualified for SCOTUS?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jan 2015

I know it's not actually required that justices have a legal background but it's usually the case.

Vinca

(50,537 posts)
45. Technically, I'm qualified for SCOTUS . . . a frightening thought.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:10 AM
Jan 2015

Elizabeth Warren would make a brilliant justice.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
44. Seems like a coin toss to me.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jan 2015

A smart politician who intended to run would now be doing what she's doing; keep it quiet until the campaign season starts, and stay out of the magnifying glass as long as possible.

But this looks more or less identical to what a politician who has no intention of running would be doing so... there you go.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
46. IMO, her point of view will most certainly run for the presidency.
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:55 AM
Jan 2015

She's made it legitimate for dem politicians to chaff at the leash of The Financiers.

And she's demonstrated there is a deep well of support to be tapped by anyone who does so.

Events may impose addition issues on the campaigns of 2016, but whoever is running will be forced to acknowledge that.

Running or not she's bent what was the conversation.

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