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(47,470 posts)
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:34 AM Jan 2015

French Jews Face Hate They Left Africa to Escape

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The Hyper Cacher attack, one of the deadliest against France’s Jewish community since World War II, spurred outrage across the country. It was by no means isolated, coming against a backdrop of acts of violence and intimidation.

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Three-quarters of France’s roughly half-million Jews are of North African origin, Jewish community officials estimate. Their families moved to the safety of France mostly in the period between Israel’s creation in 1948 and Algeria’s independence in 1962, as persecution and discrimination emptied out the once-huge Jewish communities of former French possessions across the Mediterranean. France has the world’s third-largest Jewish population after Israel and the U.S., according to most estimates. “We need to act,” Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on Saturday as he paid homage to the victims of the Hyper Cacher attack. “France without Jews is no longer France.”

In 2013, the last full year for which data have been compiled, there were 423 reported anti-Semitic incidents in France, compared with 82 in 1999, according to the Jewish Community Security Service, a joint body created by France’s main Jewish organizations that compiles data based on police reports. Much of the recent upsurge of anti-Semitic violence in France has occurred in rundown towns likes Sarcelles, a north Paris suburb where Jews of Algerian, Moroccan and Tunisian origin live alongside Muslim immigrants from the same countries.

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Anti-Semitic attacks occur elsewhere in Europe. One lethal attack outside France came in May 2014 in the form of a shooting spree that killed four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels. It was allegedly perpetrated by a French Islamist, who is currently awaiting trial. He hasn’t entered a plea and according to his lawyer declined to comment.

n France, attacks have been particularly violent. On July 20 in Sarcelles, a pro-Palestinian rally turned into a confrontation that led to the burning of several Jewish-owned businesses. Two years earlier, an Islamist gunman killed three children and a rabbi at a Jewish school in the city of Toulouse. In 2006, cellphone salesman Ilan Halimi in the Paris area was kidnapped by a gang who held him for ransom and tortured him to death for three weeks for being Jewish, burning his skin with acid and gasoline, according to police reports. The perpetrators were tried and convicted.

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Many French Jews say the level of public outrage was relatively muted after the 2012 killings in Toulouse.

“Even if the French are against anti-Semitism, anti-Semitic attacks don’t provoke the same display of emotion due to their repetition, it gets trivialized,” said Maurice Lévy, chief executive of French advertising company Publicis Groupe SA . “We have to fight against this trivialization.”

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/french-jews-face-hate-they-left-africa-to-escape-1421284058

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French Jews Face Hate They Left Africa to Escape (Original Post) question everything Jan 2015 OP
France and other parts of Europe are having some real anti-Semitic issues. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #1
Yes shenmue Jan 2015 #2
French have positive views of both Jews, Muslims/Pew Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #3
And yet 4 Jews are dead for the cartoons they printed. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #4
And yet, 89% of the French have positive views of Jews and 72% have positive views of Muslims. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #5
And yet, the French government are currently protecting BOTH communities. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #6
Are they protecting them from the vast majority of the French or each other? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #7
I haven't seen many attacks by Jews. I await your links. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #8
So, do you think that the majority of the French are out to kill the Jews and/or Muslims? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #9
No. Never implied it either. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #10
You said the French were having real anti-Semitic issues. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #11
By your own admission, they do have some real anti-Semitic issues. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #12
Which is what the French are doing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #13
All kinds of strawmen. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #14
No, they just don't want to be bothered question everything Jan 2015 #15

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
1. France and other parts of Europe are having some real anti-Semitic issues.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jan 2015

It isn't just the blatant things either. Even here we see the anti-Semites who like to distract from it, and minimize the worries and fears of Jews.

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
4. And yet 4 Jews are dead for the cartoons they printed.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:09 AM
Jan 2015

Oh wait, they weren't the ones who drew the cartoons; they were shopping!

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
6. And yet, the French government are currently protecting BOTH communities.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:19 AM
Jan 2015

They must be silly and missed this survey.



So I guess the 52% of AA who think race relations won't work out...it's all in their minds.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
7. Are they protecting them from the vast majority of the French or each other?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:25 AM
Jan 2015

Apparently, the French believe differently about minorities than Americans do.

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
8. I haven't seen many attacks by Jews. I await your links.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:33 AM
Jan 2015

What they believe and what they do sometimes, don't match up.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. You said the French were having real anti-Semitic issues.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:46 AM
Jan 2015

Apparently, the French people disagree with you.

Sure, the French have some anti-Semites and anti-Muslims. I didn't see any statistics regarding anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim feelings here. Are there anti-European feelings in Israel. Anti-Muslim feelings? Are there anti-Semitic and anti-European feelings in Jordan or Palestine? Yes. To both.

Is there a solution?

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
12. By your own admission, they do have some real anti-Semitic issues.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:57 AM
Jan 2015

"Sure, the French have some anti-Semites and anti-Muslims." Your words!

"Are there anti-European feelings in Israel. Anti-Muslim feelings? Are there anti-Semitic and anti-European feelings in Jordan or Palestine? Yes. To both. "

Irrelevant or rather, red herring.

Is there a solution? Sure, stop pretending it isn't a problem or trying to blame it on those who aren't responsible.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
13. Which is what the French are doing.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:20 AM
Jan 2015

It's not at all "irrelevant". There are anti-something feelings in most countries. The French certainly aren't unique in have some anti-Semites, anti-Muslims, anti-British, anti-Christian, feelings. So do we. Is it a uniquely French problem?

Who is "responsible" for bigotry and hatred? The French? The Jews? The Muslims? The Brits? The Angolans? The Flemings or the Walloons? The Spanish or the Basque? The Tutsis or the Hutus?

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
14. All kinds of strawmen.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:34 AM
Jan 2015

"The French certainly aren't unique in have some anti-Semites, anti-Muslims, anti-British, anti-Christian, feelings. So do we. Is it a uniquely French problem? "

Never said it, never implied it. In case you forgot, the topic was about French Jews.

"Who is "responsible" for bigotry and hatred?"

Bigots. That was easy.

question everything

(47,470 posts)
15. No, they just don't want to be bothered
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jan 2015

This is why the other atrocities detailed in the story barely registered outside France. (Or Israel, I suppose).

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