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Wed Jan 14, 2015, 05:57 PM

 

Critizem of Bibi is no more anti-Semitic...

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by uppityperson (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Than critizem of Obama is racist.

How this was so offensive is completely beyond me.

You juror #1 really need to read all my posts and see how I am favorable to people of all religions and all colors. And I am also disrespectful of all religions in equal ways.


Well no. I base my opinion on your insulting, outlandish posts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=92590

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Personal attacks, with a touch of anti-Semitism leveled against a Jewish poster. Inappropriate and over the top!

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Explanation: More than a touch of anti-Semitism. Hide this crap. Admin. should look at this person, too.
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Reply Critizem of Bibi is no more anti-Semitic... (Original post)
dballance Jan 2015 OP
JI7 Jan 2015 #1
dballance Jan 2015 #2
cali Jan 2015 #4
dballance Jan 2015 #5
PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #8
Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #23
herding cats Jan 2015 #6
dballance Jan 2015 #10
herding cats Jan 2015 #15
JI7 Jan 2015 #16
JI7 Jan 2015 #7
dballance Jan 2015 #13
JI7 Jan 2015 #14
branford Jan 2015 #17
Electric Monk Jan 2015 #19
branford Jan 2015 #21
cali Jan 2015 #3
nilesobek Jan 2015 #9
Mass Jan 2015 #11
PCIntern Jan 2015 #12
Electric Monk Jan 2015 #18
A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #20
Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #22
uppityperson Jan 2015 #24

Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:00 PM

1. it wasn't criticism of Bibi that got the hide, it was your attack on all jews with the usual "chosen

 

people" and all the other crap.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:03 PM

2. So calling out a sect of people for claiming to be "Chosen" is bad?

 

Are we not all God's children? No one better than the other?

I wonder how receptive you'd be to Muslims saying they are God's children? After all they are part of Abraham's legacy just like us Christians.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:04 PM

4. sigh. that phrase doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

and I don't believe in God so all that "god's children" stuff is just shit to me.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:09 PM

5. I'm also an atheist.

 

Could you please educate me about how I'm wrong about all that "god's children" stuff?

I bet it will be quite enlightening and I'll learn something.

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Response to dballance (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:13 PM

8. in simple words, the belief is that they were chosen to tell the world about God.

Not brutally kill everyone who's not Jewish.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 07:30 PM

23. have you read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy?

maybe you should before making such rash statements

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:10 PM

6. Using "chosen people" in a fashion which implies arrogance in Jewish people is anti-Semitic.

It's an old tactic which was exposed ages ago for what it really is.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:14 PM

10. Really? I am certain that it is used...

 

to take lands from Palestinians because the "Chosen People" by God should have all the lands within their prevue. That any non-Jews should be eliminated from territories that Israel says is theirs.

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Response to dballance (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:23 PM

15. Argue the policy, don't stoop to using anti-Semitic language.

It makes you look like a bigot and ruins whatever point you're trying to make in the process. Language like what you're using never leads to any sort of productive conversations or change, it just angers and inflames people which causes them to galvanize their views.

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Response to dballance (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:24 PM

16. support for Israel these days has more to do with the holocaust and persecution of Jews around the

 

world.

it's not because people actually believe something in religious texts.although i'm sure there are some extremists who believe that , most people do not.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:10 PM

7. the chosen people thing is mostly used by anti semites

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:21 PM

13. So there is no truth to "God" having a chosen people?

 

If you read the Old Testament you'd see an angry God who favors his "Chosen People." Hint: those were not Gentiles.

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Response to dballance (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:23 PM

14. i'm an atheist i don't believe in all of that, if you read all these books they have some fucked up

 

shit in many of them.

most reasonable people including those who are religious don't take everyting literally.

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Response to dballance (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:34 PM

17. Your clearly do not understand the nature or significance of being "chosen"

 

in Judaism. If you do not understand, it is prudent to first make polite inquiries before making assumptions.

The concept of "chosen people" is basically just the belief of the existence of obligations exclusive to Jews, while non-Jews receive from God other covenants and other responsibilities. Generally, it does not entail exclusive rewards for Jews. Essentially, we Jews have to do more for the same rewards as everyone else. It's hardly a belief in ethnic or religious superiority among the vast majority of Jews, religious or otherwise, but it does imply we should treat everyone else with respect and even altruism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people

I also would not care one iota if Muslims claimed "they are God's children." I am not an Islamic scholar, it would have absolutely nothing to do with me, or effect my own spiritual relationship with God, unless of course, such Muslim's belief included committing violence against me or other Jews.

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Response to branford (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:46 PM

19. Did you mean to type "police enquiries"? Perhaps you meant to type "polite enquiries"? Odd typo. nt

 

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:53 PM

21. I did indeed mean to type "polite."

 

I guess I've been commenting too much about the conflict between Mayor deBlasio and the police officers of the NYPD.

However, here in NYC, with our large and diverse Jewish population, a great many police officers would probably be able to explain, at least in simple terms, what is means to be "chosen" in Judaism.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:03 PM

3. where in that post is criticism of Nutty?

 

I have no problem with criticism of Nutty, but that's not what I read in that post. And I do wish people wouldn't post ops to whinge away about their hidden posts.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:14 PM

9. No whining about DU in GD.

There is excessive venom in the wording of your hidden post. Its a privilege to post on DU and when a post is hidden, as far as I know, its final.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:17 PM

11. To answer your question at the top of the thread

4 victimes were killed in a khosher supermarket

A Charlie Hebdo, The two brothers said they would not killed women, but killed a woman who was Jewish.

In multiple interviews, they announced they wanted to kill Jews.

So, as much as every victims must be respected, whether they were targeted (journalists at CH, Jewish victims), or accidental (janitor, 3 policemen), it is very clear that Jewish people were among those who were targeted by the shootings.

If you do not get it, there is little I can do for you This has nothing to do with Bibi coming and campaigning, which is disturbing).

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:20 PM

12. Critizem(sic) multiple times?

...and you expect to be taken seriously...or seriesly.

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:43 PM

18. I sometimes find myself longing for the old Meta Forum, too.

 

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:58 PM

22. if it is okay to criticize beliefs commonly held by Muslims - I really cannot understand why it is

not okay to criticize beliefs commonly held by many Jews. The notion of being a chosen people is not a marginal belief in Judaism. It is a fairly common belief. The notion that it is okay to establish a state in someone else's county because God gave it to them thousands of years ago is not a marginal belief. It is a common belief.

Okay, I realize not all Jews hold these beliefs. Just as I realize not all Muslims hold some of the less tasteful beliefs of Islam. But if we are going to be honest and say, "Okay we are not attacking Muslims - we are only attacking beliefs held by many Muslims" - Then why cannot we say, "Okay we are not attacking Jews - we are attacking beliefs held by many Jews."

Surely, there has to be standard that allows attack on both systems of thinking while not attacking the individuals?

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Response to dballance (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 08:25 PM

24. Locking as not meeting GD SOP, specifically per Skinner's pinned post at top

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