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Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:16 PM

Christie And The Cowboys-Just The Tip Of The Iceberg

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So the Cowboys lost today. Everybody is having a little fun at the expense of Governor Christie as his Super Bowl dreams have come crashing down. I certainly got a bit of a laugh thinking about a downtrodden Christie brooding up in the visiting owner's box at Lambeau Field-maybe wiping away a tear or two. But that's just the fun part. There is a very serious side to this that has to do with the governor's complete lack of ethics and the relationships between the rich powerful elite and elected officials. Jerry Jones didn't have Christie and his family flown to Dallas last week and hosted in the owners box because they were ole fishin' buddies. There is a serious side to this that has to do with the purposeful flaunting of ethical principals and the unbridled ambition of people like Christie and the need to understand that this is not about what team he roots for or if he goes to games, or even how goofy he may look whooping it up with Jerry Jones. This is about a guy who has consistently displayed a disdain for adhering to the rules while demanding compliance from others. Mostly this is about somebody who needs to be held accountable for abusing his power, enriching his cronies, trampling over anyone who gets in the way of that unbridled ambition.

Chris Christie is a bad person who has done a lot of very bad things while in public office and it is likely that he is going to get away with them. Beyond just a general dislike that I think everyone on this site can understand, it is important to know the specifics of his misdeeds so that there is a rationality to that dislike. It's more than just making fun of the boorish fat man. There's substance and reason to the criticisms of Mr. Christie and even if he gets away with all that he's done, it's important that somebody was watching. I was a public official for nearly 20 years. During that time I was in literally thousands of situations that required judgment calls on matters of ethics. Rarely was it difficult to discern between right and wrong. In the few exceptional cases where it was a close call it didn't take a great deal of intellect or integrity to understand that the correct course was to choose the route of caution. I collected hundreds of receipts to save in case I had to prove I had paid for my own iced tea or soda while out with people who had business with the government-lest anyone think I would compromise the public interest for the price of a soft drink, let alone a lunch. I spent years explaining to people who I could legitimately call my friends why I could not let them buy me a beer. I took, and still take, the concepts of ethical behavior and responsibility for public officials very seriously. I say this as a preface to give some context as to why I am so exceedingly incensed at the behavior of the beloved governor of the Garden State.

You see, I was in the audience the day this fool deigned to lecture me, and hundreds of others in the room that afternoon, on the meaning of ethics. That day, at a convention in Atlantic City, the then U.S. Attorney Chris Christie warned that public officials shouldn't even accept a sandwich from a local deli owner because the public should never have to wonder about the integrity of their elected officials. In the intervening time his abuse of power as U.S. Attorney, his ethical lapses regarding his travel, his cronyism as governor, his mismanagement of public funds and the abuses by his administration, his staff and the governor himself while in public office have all come to light. This was a man who made his reputation with a massive sting on public officials that violated protocols, ethics and good judgment just to burnish his image as a corruption buster. So when I see the man who warned against accepting a sandwich take a gift with a value in excess of $100,000 it's a bit hard to accept. When I find that this gift was bestowed by a man who was awarded a public contract with a value in excess of $850 million it is extraordinarily disturbing. It is utterly amazing, and unbelievable, that this governor, the champion of ethics, could accept such a gift-unless he is just so taken with himself that he believes he is above the rules set out for the lesser among us. But it takes a lot of attention to detail and a lot of energy to do the research or keep up with changing stories. People generally lack the critical thinking skills or the attention span or the time to follow what's going on or think about it in depth. That's what people like Christie count on. It's how they get away with unethical or illegal behavior. It takes a lot to hold them accountable and he is confident that nobody has what it takes to bring him down.

There are folks so partisan that they will give him a pass on just about anything but I can't believe that if you lay the facts out that this will hold true much longer. The Republicans eventually turned on Nixon. So I've been keeping the Christie Crime Digest as a sort of catharsis but also so there's a record somewhere that lays out the patterns of behavior and the extent of his misdeeds. When someone tells you "it was only a couple of football tickets" or that Bridgegate was "just an inconvenient traffic jam" there's got to be an answer that it's much much more and hopefully the "Digest" provides that resource. I've seen the guy do bad things from close range and I had a visceral dislike for him, but until I started to keep track, I didn't quite grasp the depth of his depravity. This is a person who never should have risen to the positions of power that he has held and certainly shouldn't be allowed to hold another powerful position.

So it's ok to have a little fun at Christie's expense now that the Cowboys have lost. Don't get too caught up in it however. There's a real dark side to this that can get lost in the cartoons and the videos depicting his giggling 12 year-old school girl demeanor and 6 inch vertical leaping abilities. This guy is dangerous and unethical and he needs to be brought down. Not because of his questionable choices for sports allegiances or his awkward high fives but for his very real and very serious misbehavior. I may have a personal dislike for the governor, but it's all with good reason. We need to keep after this guy but never for superficial or petty behaviors. There's too much other real stuff there.

I feel so much better now. DU has done a public service by allowing me to vent.

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Reply Christie And The Cowboys-Just The Tip Of The Iceberg (Original post)
Laxman Jan 2015 OP
Marie Marie Jan 2015 #1
Laxman Jan 2015 #2
staggerleem Jan 2015 #27
mountain grammy Jan 2015 #3
Laxman Jan 2015 #36
mountain grammy Jan 2015 #39
spanone Jan 2015 #4
Beach Rat Jan 2015 #5
Laxman Jan 2015 #31
Beach Rat Jan 2015 #45
lovemydog Jan 2015 #6
SunSeeker Jan 2015 #7
The Wizard Jan 2015 #43
pnwmom Jan 2015 #8
HeiressofBickworth Jan 2015 #9
Laxman Jan 2015 #17
bluesbassman Jan 2015 #10
JDPriestly Jan 2015 #11
Laxman Jan 2015 #18
NJCher Jan 2015 #42
Laxman Jan 2015 #44
Cha Jan 2015 #12
Laxman Jan 2015 #16
malaise Jan 2015 #13
cwydro Jan 2015 #14
Euphoria Jan 2015 #15
Oilwellian Jan 2015 #19
Cha Jan 2015 #20
Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #21
Beowulf42 Jan 2015 #22
mountain grammy Jan 2015 #23
Doctor_J Jan 2015 #24
usaf-vet Jan 2015 #25
Laxman Jan 2015 #29
Doctor_J Jan 2015 #38
niyad Jan 2015 #26
herding cats Jan 2015 #28
Laxman Jan 2015 #30
Blue Owl Jan 2015 #32
ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #33
Raine1967 Jan 2015 #34
Laxman Jan 2015 #35
AzDar Jan 2015 #37
onecent Jan 2015 #40
supercats Jan 2015 #41
Laxman Jan 2015 #46

Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:23 PM

1. Great vent Laxman.

I cannot even entertain the thought that there are enough idiots out there who just looove his brash, in-your-face style of being and would happily vote for this bully for President. I don't think there will be enough of them to actually elect this jerk but the mere thought is enough to give me nightmares. Both his temperament and his ethics (or lack there of) would be a disaster for this country.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:35 PM

2. 20 Years Ago When Christie Was Running....

for some two-bit county office he slandered some pretty decent, if not too bright, people running against him. He ended up paying an undisclosed amount of money and publishing a public apology. You can imagine that as the stakes get higher, his appetite and ruthlessness only grow greater. I understand why shiftless politicians continue to make deals with this guy, but it is beyond me how he got elected here, not once, but twice. ( I guess I could go into the analysis of why it happened, but its still unbelievable)

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:33 PM

27. You hit the nail square on the head, Marie.

 

Christie is every high-school bully you ever met, but unlike most of those guys, he has yet to find himself in a position where he's had to abandon his sense of power and entitlement. Face it, people, Christie is just BETTER than all of us, so the rule that we must live by simply don't apply to those who live in his elevated strata.

There's always, eventually, a bring-down for people like Chris Christie. The old bromide is true - the bigger they are, the harder they fall - and we can only hope that his upcoming Presidential run is where his fall begins.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:37 PM

3. This post should have hundreds of recs. Very well said.

I've been meaning to call my former college roommate who lives in NJ. She's long overdue for a Christie rant and she has few sympathizers. She tells me people our age, mid sixties, are usually Christie supporters, so that's discouraging.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:39 PM

36. Grammy, Tell Your Old Roomie...

that she can rant to me any time she wants. I know her frustration.

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Response to Laxman (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 05:53 PM

39. I'm printing your rant and mailing it to her..

she has no computer, no tv. Only listens to radio and reads. A real throwback and difficult to keep in contact with. She'll love this!

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:42 PM

4. k&r...

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:56 PM

5. But Chris Christie's a straight shooter!

He tells it like it is! He takes no grief! He's a breath of fresh air! He's shaking things up! He's a man of courage taking on the public employees union! I'm just channeling the comments section from the local newspaper. Folks just love him down here in Monmouth & Ocean counties. I don't get it. He's just a creep and his policies suck. The guy hasn't done one thing for the state except make things more screwed up and there's people willing to give him a pass. By the way, I think you gave him a couple of added inches on that vertical leap!

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Response to Beach Rat (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:01 PM

31. I May Have Been A Bit Harsh...

on 12 year old school girls as well. As the father of a bunch of boys I should have been more discerning than to make the comparison!

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Response to Laxman (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:18 AM

45. Did you notice how there weren't any pictures of Christie on Sunday?

They never showed him on T.V. and in the photos look how far away Jerry Jones is sitting from Christie. I guess it's not so great for Jerry to be seen with him now! He was still in the owner's box (and who paid for that?)

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:15 AM

6. He's unethical & favors billionaires.

Bad combination for average people.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:05 AM

7. The US Attorney seems to be closing in on that crook.

Keeping my fingers crossed he gets busted big time.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:16 PM

43. Christie still has connections in

the US Attorney's office, so he's probably getting classified info regarding the investigation. This is the Soprano state.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:07 AM

8. My only disappointment in the game

is that Seattle won't have the chance to pop Christie's Dallas balloon.

I'm not a big football fan, but I was looking forward to that.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:08 AM

9. A Christie bid for Pres

makes me think one thing: Christie: Our first Mafia president.

Yup, I think he's that bad -- in the same league, ethically and behaviorally, as the Mafia.

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Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:49 AM

17. It's Not An Inappropriate Comparison.....

there are a lot of similarities. Instead of Loan Sharking and Prostitution and Protection they have found analogous behaviors in running for office and running the government.

Christie, along with many republicans, seem to be using the "bust out" tactic with public pensions, and public education right now. Just like in this episode of The Sopranos.

A "bust out" is a common tactic in the organized crime world, wherein a business' assets and lines of credit are exploited and exhausted to the point of bankruptcy. Richie and Tony profit from busting out Davey Scatino's sporting goods store in this episode.


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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:26 AM

10. Amazing work you've done with the digest Laxman.

Thank you.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:32 AM

11. Thanks. Your story about his speech on ethics is so personal and so compelling.

Thanks for telling us about this.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:33 AM

18. I'm Really Glad That Came Across...

because that's the part of this that really bothers me. It makes me feel like an idiot for taking these issues so seriously. I was laughing with a good friend of mine over the holidays when he said "I can honestly say that nothing good has ever come from me telling the truth or doing the right thing". It's kind of funny and sad because you see people who think telling the truth and doing the right thing are just quaint concepts that you tell people but don't follow. You see people like Christie getting ahead and think it's all just so much crap and it makes you wonder what's the point. I guess looking back I can say that it's true that doing the right thing can cause you a lot of grief but I'd rather have that as my reputation than profiting through other means.

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Response to Laxman (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:10 PM

42. so play "what if" with me

...when he said "I can honestly say that nothing good has ever come from me telling the truth or doing the right thing".

What if this world was nothing more than a "test kitchen" for people to try out behaviors, or play out scenarios (for the purpose of seeing who has character and who doesn't). What if, like Shakespeare said, "all the world's a stage?"

Nobody really knows what the nature of existence is, but this is one theory, and I happen to like it.

Sure, the environment we live in doesn't reward honesty or ethics. In fact, as you say, it's almost a "quaint concept." However, you get to go to bed at night with the knowledge that you've not harmed anyone. You can sleep. You have a clear conscience. Furthermore, you've taken on the Christie Crime site, which educates others. You've done a lot in the face of this evil.

Christie, on the other hand...

And don't say he doesn't "sweat it." He confessed on a radio program that he's had many sleepless nights. He knows he's a scumbag.


Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:37 AM

44. I Like Your Point Of View...

and ultimately it's the right way to look at the world. That conversation I talked about started with "what goes 'round comes 'round" actually talking about Christie. My friend said that's something nice people tell each other so they feel better when they see miserable people like Christie profiting from their behavior. A certain part of us wants to know that there are tangible consequences for being a miserable bastard. I think in the long run you're right-it's the underlying optimism that your point represents that keeps most good people going. Our society places too much value on things like wealth, fame, position and other factors that don't really measure the worth of a person. Thank you for adding that perspective.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:30 AM

12. Brilliant piece, Laxman, and I say that as someone far away in Hawaii who

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has just been paying attention to Christie since his inner trusted staff closed down the GW Bridge because of Revenge. But, of course, he knew "nothing about it".

So much of his past has come up since then that a lot of us know him even better now. Thanks to you and those intrepid reporters who broke the story, Rachel, and Steve Kornacki.

Gov Christie lecturing anyone on not even accepting a sandwich from a friend is super ironic in light of his taking tickets to the Dallas Cowboys' game and his transport paid by one Jerry Jones. Mr "Sit Down and Shut UP" is always arrogantly in your face bullshite, Unless he's kissing someone's a$$ at the time. And, then it's only to get what he wants.. and then it's back to sneaky backstabbing after his goal is procured.

You can Vent anytime.. glad you were there from the beginning of this greedy despicable monster known as Chris Christie.

Edit: Clear up things

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Response to Cha (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:17 AM

16. Thank You Cha...

sometimes its important just to articulate and define the basis of WHY there's a problem with a particular politician so that there isn't am opportunity to say it's just partisanship or a policy disagreement. Something about this guy has rubbed me the wrong way since I first ran into him. He's done nothing since then but to prove my intuition to be correct.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:58 AM

13. A brilliant post



Wish I could rec 500 times.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 04:06 AM

14. Great vent!

I despise the man.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:45 AM

15. I so heartily agree.

Thank you, Laxman.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:48 AM

19. Your Crime Digest is a treasure trove

Thank you for putting it together. Great job!

Bookmarking, K&R

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:13 AM

20. Isn't it?! Kick!

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:35 AM

21. Vent away




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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 10:47 AM

22. Hurrah!

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton. Seen in Animal Farm foreword.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:01 AM

23. another kick for a great post!

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:33 PM

24. He is one of the filthiest politicians in the country. It's a disgrace he hasn't been prosecuted.

 

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:28 PM

25. With all due respect Doc

I think the title "filthiest politicians in the country" belongs clearly to Wisconsin's Scott Walker. There is not enough space on DU or time in my schedule to list the atrocities perpetrated by Wisconsin's governor.

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:38 PM

29. Welcome To DU.....

and I have to say that almost a year ago I actually started a Scott Walker Crime Digest as well. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024537137
I just don't have the time or resources to keep up.
(you are welcome to take it over if you wish)

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 05:35 PM

38. Welcome to DU vet.

 

Maybe Fat Bastard is just more ostentatious - closing down tollways, helicoptering to his son's baseball game, posing with Jerry Jones. But Walker is pretty corrupt.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:28 PM

26. great rant, and thanks.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:35 PM

28. A truly amazing post, by our resident Christi Corruption specialist!

I only thought I knew how vile Christi was until I fell upon your Digest. Now I realize for all I thought I knew there were 10 more things I didn't know.

You're one of our good ones here. Keep up the good work!

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Response to herding cats (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:56 PM

30. Thank You, I Appreciate It, But...

I've had a lot of help from other DU'ers. You are absolutely right about every time you find something on this guy there are 10 other things to be found. Hubris, arrogance, ambition, anger- the seven deadly sins have nothing on Mr. Christie, he's got a whole nasty package of them to call his own.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:24 PM

32. Corrupt Officials 101

n/t

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:31 PM

33. Terrific!

That's all i've got.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:00 PM

34. Our Former governor is going to prison for far less.

I'm in Virginia and former Gov. Bob McDonnell is going to jail for federal corruption charges that appear to me to be far less than what I have seen Christie do. Our former deserves jail time, and I have actually said here that I believe two years is fine. 10 years was a bit much when I look at what Christie seems to be involved in. I am glad you are keeping track of this. I hope you consider sending this vent to a State publication. The more people know….



The man is either totally unaware, criminally corrupt or a complete socio-pathological narcissist.

I am going with criminally corrupt.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:12 PM

35. Don't Be So Quick....

to rule out the sociopath angle! http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Sociopathy-of-Chris-Ch-by-Barry-Sussman-Chris-Christie_Chris-Christie_Prosecution_Scandal-140208-879.html As for McDonnell-the tobacco supplement guy didn't get a big fat contract did he and all McDonnell did was make a couple of phone calls and introductions? Unfortunately, U.S. Attorneys don't ever go after their alumni.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 04:19 PM

37. K & R

 

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:31 PM

40. Definitely K & R!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:32 PM

41. Keep Your Eye On The Ball....

 

He's a bully, and a thug, a racist, and a murderer. He's a lier, he's unethical, he's got no moral compass....He's another vulgar republican who would do a lot of damage to the 99% as well as the world. He needs to be put down.

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Response to supercats (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 08:48 AM

46. You're Mostly Right....

but I don't know about racist and murderer. He is certainly all of those other things. There's enough wrong with the guy-bully, thug, liar, unethical, morally bankrupt, self-serving, over-ambitious, self-serving-without going over the top. Let's keep our criticisms to the things we can prove-and there certainly are enough of those things!

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