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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Black People are Literally Saying "Stop Killing Us!" And there are people saying "But....."
If your concerns about violence are limited to property damage and looting, and you have never shed two tears for the history of institutional violence, murder, colonialism, segregation, lynching, genocide and police brutality against peoples of color, your words mean nothing; they mean less than nothing. Your outrage, in such a case is grotesque, an inversion of morality so putrescent as to call into question your capacity for real feeling at all. So long as violence from below is condemned while violence from above is ignored, you can bet that the former will continueand however unfortunate that may be, it is surely predictable. If youd like the former to cease, put an end to the latter, and then I promise you, it will.
Tim Wise
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This is who the NYPD Disrespects.
And the Mayors "Talk" with his son. He loves his family and wants them safe. He is protecting his son, a dads warning on how to stay safe. NYPD seems to have an issue with that. Well to effing bad.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Middle-Class-is-Drowning/415088615217854?sk=photos_stream
And disrespect for the lives of the murdered black men and children that have died senselessly and violently targeted by white "peace officers." They show no remorse for their actions. They made it all about them. Poor pitiful me.
Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)Stop that shit.
Put down the gun and lets talk.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Thats why they go out of their way to explain away any injustice. People Cannot face that the SYSTEM...all of it...is based on lies. If they accepted this then they would have to reorganize their entire belief system and they are way to intellectually lazy for that.
lostnfound
(16,139 posts)I've wondered why people freak out and deceive themselves rather than question the system. Intellectual laziness? I will have to think more about that one. It's been a long puzzle to me.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)their lot in life, the falling US standing in the world, the fact we are now at the bottom of the list in many areas ... etc.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It sickens me to listen to people who act as if peaceful protest against police violence is a worse crime than shooting unarmed black people.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)like that. There was Internal Affairs to determine if it were a "good shoot" or not. Cops were known to plant guns if the victim was unarmed and they used deadly force. Didn't want it to look like it was.. murder.
Now in recent years it's all but impossible to indict a cop.. what the hell happened?
We all know Darren Wilson and Daniel Pantaleo should have been indicted for killing Michael Brown and Eric Garner.. Will Timothy Loehmann be indicdted for killing Tamir Rice.
Thank you for keeping this front and center, she.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)Cha
(295,929 posts)up with the killings of unarmed Black men by the cops, all over the country?
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)Will we see it soon, I just don't know. Yet we will see it. There is an awareness now, that was not here before.
Cha
(295,929 posts)Illinois Teen Charged With Assaulting Two Police Officers - http://bit.ly/1Kwwjh6 pic.twitter.com/CTI9nJS99n
Bobfr @Our4thEstate
Follow
And, we all know what the headline would have been if he were #BLACK, @Breaking911.
#BlackLivesMatter
#ICantBreath
@TheJusticeDept
1:57 PM - 10 Jan 2015
I am glad the Illinois teen wasn't killed by the police for assaulting 2 officers.. I just want them to treat Black Lives equally.
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/01/10/a-tweet-or-two-206/
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)If he was black he would be dead. What have we become Cha? I cry.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The Fascists needed a scapegoat too.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984), a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
plantwomyn
(876 posts)My dad was a Chicago cop. The crap they did and got away with would make you sick. They used to get "desk duty" for "excessive force". After they were cleared they'd get a commendation. They would sit around our kitchen table and tell "war stories" about beating the living crap out of people. Laughing about how the guy looked afterward, about leaving him in the street. It was terrifying.
As with everything, things have gone to the next level. Now a "good beating" isn't enough to teach the lesson they want us to learn. Which for me as a kid and now for everyone is compliance/obey. Do as you are told, it doesn't matter if they are wrong or right or if they are violating you rights. Just do it or else...
Cha
(295,929 posts)prospective on the escalation of power tripping of so many PO.. can't say all because we know there are good cops out there.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)I really like the Chris Rock quote. He usually nails it. Just like he did with guns.
Great thread
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)Luv ya!
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)sheshe2
(83,356 posts)We can do it though. I know we can. Our voices together.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,267 posts)sheshe2
(83,356 posts)Those that say "but" is heartbreaking. It hurts me, and I am white. I cannot even imagine what it does to people of color.
lostnfound
(16,139 posts)It's infuriating that we as a society have this same crap to deal with after all these years. Just because there's a bunch of Neanderthals still clinging on to belief systems that were repulsive all along.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)fastest way to piss me off is to add a qualifier.
But...
And...
Etc...
Some one is dead, stop trying to distracted your self with stupid shit!
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)But.....
Thanks dale
Omaha Steve
(99,079 posts)K&R!
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)mountain grammy
(26,573 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)sheshe2
(83,356 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I was also young too.
Something about it didn't pass the smell test like nothing else and it was being shoved down their throats.
I remember the movie The Majestic a movie screenwriter is accused of communist sympathies and tells his co-worker "I'm apolitical you know that. Republicans, Democrats, Communists. They all look alike to me." the other character responds "I'd be very careful in what you say."
He does end up taking a stand which was the freedom to live our lives but the point I'm making, I can't understand why someone would be apolitical since politics can be so frustrating. I'd trust apoliticals more than politicals, mostly in positions of government. There is a lot that is weighed against doing the right thing for politicians. Also all the money "will lie for you for money", it depends why someone is apolitical. No interest in anything at all that relates to politics in any way vs who lost hope in the system, well I agree more there, but we all should have the freedom to live our lives.
I agree with the powerful words from Tim Wise.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)and recommended a massive amount!
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)K&R
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Makes them feel like they still own the world.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But that should be neither here nor there.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)DLevine
(1,788 posts)Love what Chris Rock said. He is spot on.
IronLionZion
(45,269 posts)I've seen it in situations where everyone was white except me, and they assume I must be guilty of something.
I've seen it in situations even with white girls I've been in romantic long-term relationships with. When I approach them outside at night or something to greet them and they scream if they don't recognize me. A nearly blind disabled white woman I encountered recently was having trouble crossing the street and she screamed when I verbally asked if she needed any help. That scared me, so I quickly walked away. She refused help from a woman of color who offered to help as well.
Any of them could have easily shot me dead and got away with it for self defense.
That sort of fear is more widespread than people think, even in very liberal neighborhoods full of very educated people.
Something just like this has happened to me as well:
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Do you think the mass media contributes to the perception of black criminality? I notice a lot of the criminals on TV and movies are dark skinned. Certainly way more than their actual proportion of the overall population.
BumRushDaShow
(127,331 posts)butterfly77
(17,609 posts)calimary
(80,700 posts)Love these!!! You put a lot of work and thought into these. They're wonderful assets to have, and to share, here on DU!
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)Thank you calimary.
calimary
(80,700 posts)And scroll down slower. So often you have photos in there that I want to copy for my own collection. You're a very good and sharp-eyed curator!
stage left
(2,934 posts)If you don't take a stand against Police Brutality, that is also a stand.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:04 PM - Edit history (2)
of fighting, crying, dying and still fighting, crying and dying to be recognized as human beings. With that number of years of warfare against the racist KKKulture of this country, that continues unabated and seemingly growing today in 2015 at the behest of the real powers of this country, it seems to me that this KKKulture is irredeemably lost to the RW racists that now make the laws of the nation. A veto pen only works sometimes. Those real people of power that are keeping the willfully ignorant agitated and stirred up against the POC, to distract and deflect attention of those IGNORANT, willfully blind masses, while they are robbing ALL of us into real poverty is a shameful reflection of what this country likes to portray itself as being to the world. What a goddamn joke this 'democracy' is. The hypocrisy and irony of any POC STILL having to fight for rights in the first goddamn place, rights enjoyed by the 'privileged', is not appreciated by MANY out here still fighting, crying and dying at the hands of the david duke clones who hide behind badges and their masters in the Congressional and Judicial halls of power. It's all about power and a lot of them are very afraid of losing their illusion of power, supremacy and privilege.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I'm not sure how I offended you, or your group. "And disrespect for the lives of the murdered black men and children that have died senselessly and violently targeted by white "peace officers." They show no remorse for their actions. They made it all about them. Poor pitiful me."
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)I hope it worked, I know I can unblock people that I have blocked yet was not sure I could when another host did.There are only a couple of active hosts and we are pretty low on the totem pole.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Words of wisdom for all.
Don't you just love it when white-privilege America tells blacks to sit down and shut up about their own lives? Plantation mentality lives on.
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)It's time that white-privilege America sits down and listens.
Good to see you as always.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)It's the whole policing system, not just white officers, nor male officers.
Wasn't the officer supervising the chokehold on Eric Garner an African American female?
sheshe2
(83,356 posts)This is the first I heard about that. Do you have a link that supports that? If so, I would like to see it.
As for...
The police system is corrupt. Yet is a majority of white LEO's unfairly targeting black males. Said black males are being shot to death. Many said males are unarmed. There is an unprecedented amount of excessive force being used. White men make it to jail and court. Black men make it to a coffin riddled with bullets.
Now how were those peaceful BLACK PROTESTERS treated.
Oh, yes.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)In fact, I've seen posts saying the entire Eric Garner arrest/death was due to white oppression, conveniently ignoring the fact that the senior and supervising officer of the arrest was an African-American female that didn't say word 1.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/decision-not-indict-eric-garner-death-disgrace-article-1.2032435
"Pantaleo who applied the lethal chokehold on Eric Garner was supervised by an African-American female NYPD sergeant...As awful as Pantaleos actions appear on that video, at no time does that black sergeant order Pantaleo to stop choking Garner...Any chance of a federal civil rights case will be hampered by that African-American police sergeants presence."
Like I said, ALL POLICE.
Added:
http://www.laprogressive.com/watching-eric-garner-die/
"Sergeant Kizzy Adoni, present during the detention and subsequent use of force, apparently failed to intercede on behalf of the obviously distressed and pleading Eric Garner."
heaven05
(18,124 posts)the proof is in the numbers and the numbers point to "white peace officers" overwhelmingly targeting POC and killing unarmed POC. If that wasn't true, then why the sudden articles from "peace officers of color" being afraid of their white brethren targeting them when they are out of uniform, working undercover and off duty? That is telling of the racial divide even among the "officers of peace"..
napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt
Ramses
(721 posts)Black people in America are and have been treated like second class citizens for a long time. Unemployment rate for blacks nationally is double. Highest rates of incarceration are for black males, police profiling harassment and worse is an everyday occurrence in America