If you don't stand up for freedom of speech, then you are not a Liberal.

[Yavin4]

If you think that it's okay to kill people over speech, then you are not a Liberal.

[Scootaloo]

1. Has anyone here said it's okay to kill anyone?

I'll wait.

[edhopper]

2. What about the

People who say the cartoonist should have known this could happen?

[Yavin4]

4. Exactly. Victim blaming, pure and simple. n/t

[Scootaloo]

5. That's not saying "it's okay," is it?

[pipoman]

8. The same can be said if I choose to go for a walk

in an area with frequent muggings. It doesn't mean that I deserved to be victimized, only that a bad choice increased my chances of being victimized. If I knew that the area was dangerous and choose to walk there anyway, it would be a calculated risk. Everyone since Salman Rushdie has known that there is risk in publishing some writings...

[edhopper]

13. Or woman who dress provocatively I suppose?

I guess the Dixie Chicks should have known the situation when they spoke out?

And why did that Dr. King stir up so much trouble, huh?

[pipoman]

17. The Dixie Chicks? LOL

Dr.King....ffs. ..Dr.King knew he was increasing his chances of being victimized, his mission made the calculated risk worth taking to Dr. King. When Dr.King was killed people were sad, mad, and shocked. ...few were surprised

What part of what I wrote is incorrect. ..feel free to quote me. ..

[edhopper]

18. There is no "correct"

You used an analogy that I rejected.
I do not think they brought this on themselves by acting carelessly. I guess you do.
I guess we shouldn't have supported Israel or interfered in the Middle East, because 9/11 was an expected result.

[NewDeal_Dem]

19. Reject it if you like. You can also reject the theory of gravity if you like.

Fact remains, you're more likely to be a crime victim in certain areas, or by hanging around certain crowds.

And you're more likely to be assaulted by someone if you insult them. That's how life works.

[pipoman]

20. "bring it on themselves"

I haven't the foggiest what that means. I do know that anyone who publishes cartoons, stories or other writings portraying Mohammed in a negative light knows that they may become a target for doing it. If they don't they haven't been paying attention.

[pipi_k]

22. Nobody said

They brought it on themselves

Life is full of risk

Just about everything we do holds risk

We could chop a finger off carving the Thanksgiving turkey

We could get hit by a bus while crossing a busy street

We could piss off a bully in a bar and he could punch us in the face

We could choke on a hunk of meat and die


All sorts of things could happen. We accept these risks

So if someone insults someone else's deity, don't be all surprised when the insulted believers retaliate. That's just how life goes

[SidDithers]

7. DU rec...nt

Sid

[pipoman]

9. I would go a little farther...

If you don't stand up for liberal interpretation of all civil rights and liberties, you aren't a good Liberal.

[NCTraveler]

16. Core principal of bing a liberal. So important to not lose sight of.

So much branches off of these ideas that build the rest of liberal ideology.

[hrmjustin]

10. I support freedom of speech.

[liberal_at_heart]

11. how many here would stand up for a cartoon of a KKK member hanging a black person?

The cartoonist had the freedom to draw that picture. I also have the freedom to encourage love and tolerance over fear and hate.

[daredtowork]

14. Everyone here would condemn it, but

no one here would call for the death of the speaker.

That's the liberal difference.

[Throd]

15. I would stand up for their right to do it, vile as it is.

[Codeine]

21. I'd defend that artist's right to draw such a cartoon.

I'd defend the right of a magazine to print it. And nobody would roll up on the magazine's offices and blow a bunch of heads off.

[sir pball]

23. Shit, I'd chip in to the lawyer if he needed one..

..and then be foremost in the protest outside the newspaper's offices.

A Jewish lawyer fought and won for the infamous KKK rally in Skokie; that man should be one of the most revered heroes of freedom in history.

[Katashi_itto]

12. So your a victim blamer if you blame the cartoon or is it the victim is at fault due to the

victim or your not a liberal if you like speech but do like the victim or your the victim due to the cartoon?

Here is a Documentary about Cattle Mutilations.

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[cwydro]

24. Rec. eom