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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:38 PM

 

so can we finally admit there is a problem between religions that is getting scary?

I would safely say over 99% of the adherents of Islam are peace loving people who just want to raise their families and live their life...but that leaves that 1 or so % who are completely insane and with a religion of over one billion people thats a lot of nuts.At the same time over 99% of Christians are peaceful people who want to live their lives but the 1% leaves a lot of nuts

More killing obviously isn't the answer...50 years of fatwas vs our version of fatwas has just made things into a big mess.

I don't know the answer and I am not proposing one.Smarter people than me have failed this problem.I just know something has to give or we are going to see a new crusade.

I just don't know the answer but this shit is getting scary and if something doesn't give we are about to see a religious war

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Reply so can we finally admit there is a problem between religions that is getting scary? (Original post)
backwoodsbob Jan 2015 OP
arcane1 Jan 2015 #1
djean111 Jan 2015 #2
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #3
SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #4
Fumesucker Jan 2015 #10
SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #11
uppityperson Jan 2015 #5
handmade34 Jan 2015 #7
NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #6
Adam051188 Jan 2015 #9
1000words Jan 2015 #8
TransitJohn Jan 2015 #12
Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #16
TransitJohn Jan 2015 #17
Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #20
Calista241 Jan 2015 #13
Jamastiene Jan 2015 #14
FSogol Jan 2015 #15
Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #18
NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #19
Recursion Jan 2015 #22
liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #21
Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #23
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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:44 PM

1. We can't ignore the economic factors too. Being in a war zone foments extremism.

 

Being in a war zone and not having a job for 10 years can foment quite a bit too.

I still believe we wouldn't be having these problems if we weren't so militarily economically involved in such a negative way. Sure, there is still a "science is the devil" issue that predates WW1, but western corporate greed made it all much worse.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:45 PM

2. I don't see this as between religions as much as between religions and everyone else not of

 

that religion.
Inquisition, Crusades, partition of India and Pakistan.....horrific historical precedents.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:45 PM

3. So, doesn't this ...

 

would safely say over 99% of the adherents of Islam are peace loving people who just want to raise their families and live their life...but that leaves that 1 or so % who are completely insane and with a religion of over one billion people thats a lot of nuts.At the same time over 99% of Christians are peaceful people who want to live their lives but the 1% leaves a lot of nuts


That the problem isn't the religion; but rather, the nutty adherents. Islam and Christianity are not in conflict ... I fact, both, teach tolerance of the other.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:48 PM

4. Man, people have been racking their brains about this very issue for thousands of years...

I'll tell you exactly what it's going to take to put an end to this.

Alien Invasion.

Not kidding. As long as these idiots actually believe that their "God" is THE God nothing on this planet is going to change their minds. It's going to take a Planetary Event to make the kind of change needed. An event to show that we are really not "Christians, Muslims, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist or whatever religion I forgot, but Earthlings, all of us.

Also, we are already in the middle of the "Religious War", Bush himself called it a Crusade, and believe me that word wasn't lost on the Muslim extremists.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:15 PM

10. It don't think even alien invasion could unite us

Oh, we'd attack the aliens alright but that wouldn't begin to stop us fighting among ourselves.

Indeed, if the aliens were at all politically astute they could have half of us killing the other half.

The winners get our life extension technology which will allow you to live forever. (some caveats and disclaimers apply)

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:21 PM

11. Indeed, if the aliens were at all politically astute they could have half of us killing the other

half"

Maybe they already do... They Live

I know you are probably right and frankly I'm trying to find a ride off this stupid rock as I swear I don't belong here with the kooks.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:49 PM

5. Fundamentalism is the problem, not "problem between religions".

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:55 PM

7. "Fundamentalism is the problem"

Exactly... and we need to stop giving deference to religious organizations and beliefs

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:53 PM

6. The problem is there, and getting worse.

 

And we can all agree that the violence isn't limited to any ONE religion.

Arabs and Jews and Christians and Muslims, and more, all have extremist members who use their religion to justify their horrific acts.

Jews against Palestinian settlers, Christian fundies against abortion clinics, Islamic bombers; none really representative of the vast majority of their adherents.

What's frightening to me today, through the lens of someone who has friends of all faiths and no faiths, is this:

I'm frightened by the EASE with which we condemn Islamic-associated acts of violence while looking the other way and ignoring anti-Islamic acts of bigotry.

The West is as guilty of ethnocentrism as any other culture, I suppose.

When the ACLU produced the video, "Fight Hate Speech with More Speech", they didn't mean "with more Hate Speech".

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:13 PM

9. they probably did mean exactly that, i didn't watch the video. it might be complicated....

 

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:23 PM

12. We need less religion.

Seems logical.

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:47 PM

16. The absence of religion doesn't make the worst of humanity any less bloody minded as

Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, et al have so abundantly shown.

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:00 PM

20. I didn't say atheism. I said the absence of religion. The absence of religion does not equal the

absence of mass murder. Religion is not the cause of mass murder, mass power is.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:25 PM

13. 99% of the victims of ISIS and other Islamic extremists are other Muslims.

Sunni, Shia, whatever. It's a war for power that's couched in religion to motivate their "soldiers."

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:28 PM

14. If it wasn't religion, terrorists would use some other excuse.

It's not religion. It's people who are control freaks and cannot let others live peacefully without trying to either beat them into submission or kill them.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:43 PM

15. +1 exactly. n/t

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:33 PM

18. Truth.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:44 PM

19. religion is just a tool for the same old power games. big and small-power games.

 

the US is playing, just like the others.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 01:41 AM

22. Bingo. The Al Aqsa Martyr's brigade is majority Christian

People always find a way

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:10 PM

21. we seem to think there is some golden answer that will make all this go away.

The truth is humans are greedy and violent. We have been this way since the beginning and will be to the very end. We have warred over gold, fine gems, silk, oil, land, position, power. The next big war will be over water and food. There may be some religious pretense to it but when you get down to it, it will be about food and water and trying to make religion go away will not stop it. I wish there were an answer. I am a proponent of peace and of non violent resistance. History has examples of both violent and non violent revolutions. I would love to see a resurgence in non violent resistance, but I am not naive. The fact is humans love greed, power, and violence and there will be no end to the fighting.

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 04:15 AM

23. Define peace-loving - far more than 1% support the death penalty for blasphemers.

Blasphemy is illegal in practically the entire Islamic world, and punishable by death in much of it (although in fairness that's rarely enforced).

I don't think it's accurate to identify the main problem as "between religions" rather than "in Islam".

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Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 04:19 AM

24. We can't even admit that guns are a problem in this country.

Good luck with that.

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