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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:55 PM Jan 2015

The golden rolodex of the Putin explainers (Update3)

Last edited Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:49 PM - Edit history (6)

Ever notice that the Putin sympathizers repeat the same few sources over and over again?

Update 3: They seem to have a fondness for the anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying website:
"Vineyard of the Saker"
Holocaust denial: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2011/03/predictably-youtube-censors-alan.html

Here's a good DU summary showing how the website says the Ukrainian gov't is "99% comprised of Jewish Zionists" : http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016100356#post26

DU has been not allowing this website to be linked to for some time, because it's a lot like Stormfront or Vdare: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014808123#post4

The washed-up apologists club:

The most laughable: Robert Parry Oh yes (Haters hate Putin because he's been too peaceful)
& his Consortium News http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=854333
Common Dreams

John Pilger. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017234336

Stephen Cohen. The once-respected scholar has so embarrassed himself lately that academia doesn't want money if his name is on it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016112713#post2
see also http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251357086#post1
see also https://disunitedstates.org/?p=6170

And where does this money in Cohen's name come from? His one-percenter wife, Katrina vanden Heuvel, the editor and publisher of The Nation. Speaking of which:

The Nation http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/07/stephen_cohen_vladimir_putin_s_apologist_the_nation_just_published_the_most.html

Lawrence Wilkerson: Good whistleblower gone bad--now he's a professional gadfly/conspiracy theorist who goes on the Kremlin media to self-promote his very wrong predictions about the always-evil US.

I hate to add:
Seymour Hersh (great work during the Vietnam War but now he's lost it, having devolved into "the US must be wrong in every conflict" territory)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=748466

Thom Hartmann--I agree with Hartmann's politics 99% of the time, but having his show on RT has really made him knuckle under to the guy paying his rent.

And these:
Russia Today AKA Putin TV
Counterpunch: they've really lost it
PFIP


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Update 1:
Glenn Greenwald: http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/cathy-young/u-s-critic-blind-to-putin-media-control-cathy-young-1.7346637

Paul Craig Roberts: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025726000

Someone possibly named Michael Collins: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1403/S00159/the-childrens-crusade-obama-and-merkel-go-after-russia.htm
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Update 2:
There's definitely something fishy about "The Real News Network"


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The golden rolodex of the Putin explainers (Update3) (Original Post) uhnope Jan 2015 OP
forgot Sputnik Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #1
Is Hersh still flogging his "400 hidden US military deaths in Iraq" story? Recursion Jan 2015 #2
Add Greenwald and his cabal to the list Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #3
thanks, will do. nt uhnope Jan 2015 #4
White nationalist asshat Paul Craig Roberts... SidDithers Jan 2015 #5
Oh, yes, Sid, star guest on Infowars. You know, the guys who applauded shooting cops, etc. in NV. freshwest Jan 2015 #6
Nope, you're not wrong at all... SidDithers Jan 2015 #7
Because everybody needs a refresher: "Active Measures" Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #8
thanks. can you tell me if there was ever any documentation on this: uhnope Jan 2015 #9

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Is Hersh still flogging his "400 hidden US military deaths in Iraq" story?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 12:29 AM
Jan 2015

What the hell happened to that guy, anyways?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. Add Greenwald and his cabal to the list
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:32 AM - Edit history (1)

Although for the record they aren't "Putin explainers" as much as they are willfully ignoring/refusing to cover any negative news coming from Moscow since Putin is protecting their meal ticket...

As much as I hate to admit it because I've long admired his work, very soon you'll have to add Oliver Stone as well...

If I can think of any more I'll add them...

EDIT: Add The Guardian, who are also beyond shameless in their Putin ballwashing apologia...

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
5. White nationalist asshat Paul Craig Roberts...
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jan 2015

Vladimir Putin Is The Leader Of the Moral World

PCR is every bit the shitbag that David Duke is, but some DUers still think he's credible.

Sid

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Oh, yes, Sid, star guest on Infowars. You know, the guys who applauded shooting cops, etc. in NV.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jan 2015
The Father of Reaganomics still defends his invention:



A Proud Father Looks Back
Reaganomics: a Defense


Guess where that is posted?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/20/reaganomics-a-defense/

He didn't see much wrong with Reagan, just a few little details. You know, like it's all just an disagreement among members of the aristocracy, not millions of people getting the shaft in perpetuity. He has the gall to talk about medieval serfs from taxation, like the Koch would say... Pulleeze.

Not upset with Iran-Contra, the treason of the October Surprise, suppressing alternative energy to jump on 'cheap gas' by selling out to the Saudis, no angst about supplying Saddam with poison gas and intel, nor aiding and abetting the growth of the Dominionists pushing theocracy, the attacks on unions and public works and social infrastructure. Just a few little whines here and there, but he leaves the philosophy intact.

He's showcased as a leading intellectual by Alex Jones, and his name is always spoken with a sense of reverence. Nice bedfellows, along with Jones' cozy relationship with Birchers, Libertarians and all the rest who really care about us all. Uh, sure they do:



We still have trickle-down social justice being pushed at black people. If all the classes (read white people who say they aren't racist, ideologically wrong or well-off, etc.) benefit from social justice, the black people will get theirs, too, so they say. Funny, trickle down doesn't seem to work in that matter, either. So I disregard the 'What about me' stuff.

In time, what MLK, Jr. said may very well come true: “Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream,” but for too long it's been getting dammed up as soon as some 'got theirs.'

Just sayin'

Sid, tell me where I'm wrong in my conclusions. No love for PCR from here.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
7. Nope, you're not wrong at all...
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jan 2015

PCR also said:

But the most fearsome fact is that the demonization of white people in the universities today is more extreme than the demonization of the Jews that was a prominent feature of German university life for 60 years prior to the rise of National Socialism.

Demonization of whites is the weapon used by multiculturalists to breakup western civilization. But teaching hatred has other consequences. Demonization has already demoralized some whites, making them ashamed and fearful of their skin color.

By the time whites become political minorities, decades of demonization will have prepared the ground for legislation prohibiting their propagation and, perhaps, assigning them to the gulag as a final solution to “the cancer of human history.”


That was in his glowing review of Pat Buchanan's book Death of the West

But you'll still see alleged progressives at DU using PCR as a source with regularity.



Sid

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. Because everybody needs a refresher: "Active Measures"
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jan 2015

Active measures were clandestine operations designed to further Soviet foreign policy goals and to extend Soviet influence throughout the world. This type of activity had long been employed by the Soviet Union abroad, but it became more widespread and more effective in the late 1960s. Among these covert techniques was disinformation: leaking of false information and rumors to foreign media or planting forgeries in an attempt to deceive the public or the political elite in a given country or countries. The United States was the prime target of disinformation, in particular forgery operations, which were designed to damage foreign and defense policies of the United States in a variety of ways. Defectors reported that the Soviet Union and its allies circulated forged documents--often purporting to be speeches, letters, or policy statements by United States officials--containing false information. The use of international front (see Glossary) organizations and foreign communist parties to expand the Soviet Union's political influence and further its propaganda campaigns was another form of active measures. The World Peace Council was the largest and most important of Soviet front groups. Together with the International Department of the Central Committee, the KGB funneled money to these organizations and recruited Soviet agents to serve on their administrative bodies.

Other active measures involved support for terrorists and insurgents. As of 1989, there was no direct, public evidence that Soviet citizens had planned or orchestrated terrorist acts by groups from Western Europe or the Middle East, but there was much indirect evidence to show that the Soviet Union did support international terrorism. The Soviet Union maintained close relationships with a number of governments and organizations that were direct supporters of terrorist groups. The Soviet Union sold large quantities of arms to Libya and Syria, for example, and also maintained a close alliance with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), providing it with arms, monetary assistance, and paramilitary training. Moscow's surrogate, Cuba, played a central role in Latin American terrorism by providing groups with training, arms, and sanctuary, and the Soviet Union's East European satellite states often served as middlemen or subcontractors for channeling aid to terrorist groups. Although the KGB, with some exceptions, avoided direct involvement with terrorist operations, it played an important role in diverting aid to these groups and providing the Soviet leadership with intelligence reports on their activities.

The KGB also was heavily involved in the support of "wars of national liberation" in the Third World. Together with satellite intelligence services, the KGB helped to organize military training and political indoctrination of leftist guerrillas, as well as providing arms and advisers. The manipulation of wars of national liberation enabled the Soviet Union to influence the political future of the countries in question and to make their new governments more responsive to Soviet objectives. The Soviet regime concentrated mainly on African countries until the late 1970s but then extended its support for "national liberation movements" to Central America, where it has regularly employed the services of Cuba.

The KGB relied heavily on the intelligence services of satellite countries in carrying out both active measures and espionage operations. The intelligence services of the German Democratic Republic (East Germany), Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, and Cuba formed important adjuncts to the KGB. Although formally subordinated to their own governments, these satellite intelligence services were, according to many Western experts, heavily influenced by the KGB. A former official in the Czechoslovak intelligence service stated that Soviet intelligence was informed about every major aspect of Czechoslovak intelligence activities, and Soviet advisers (called liaison officers) participated in planning major operations and assessing the results. As far back as the 1960s, the KGB introduced a new element of coordination with the satellite intelligence services through the creation of departments for disinformation in East German, Czechoslovak, and Hungarian intelligence services and the establishment of direct lines of communication from these departments to the KGB.

http://fas.org/irp/world/russia/kgb/su0523.htm

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
9. thanks. can you tell me if there was ever any documentation on this:
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jan 2015
Defectors reported that the Soviet Union and its allies circulated forged documents--often purporting to be speeches, letters, or policy statements by United States officials--containing false information.


I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_Field_Manual_30-31B

And I see that forgery from the 1970s continues to have impact to this day: http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2006/01/20060120111344atlahtnevel0.3114282.html#axzz3O4XHwNrd
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