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(14,177 posts)Most have running water, if they pay the bill on time.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)If the poor had 10% without refrigerators Fox would bitch that 10% of the poor are obviously eating out and wasting money.
And I doubt most of their fridges are anywhere near as full of food as that graphic depicts either.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I weep for humanity.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)don't have refrigerators.
What I don't get is why anyone here ever watches Fox News and such ilk.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,610 posts)Or stoves, or phones, or TVs, or indoor plumbing. They should live in mud huts and wear animal skins and burn old tires to keep warm. If they aren't living like Stone Age hunter-gatherers FOX will complain that they aren't really poor.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)LUXURY!!
TexasTowelie
(111,970 posts)comes from food stamps that are paid for by the hard workers. The bums need to get off the couch smoking dope and get a job.
Is this really necessary?
quarbis
(314 posts)Stupid people out there.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Hurts
TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)repeat this "the poor are really RICH because they own refrigerators and TV sets" meme ad nauseam, you'll probably need to explain what this means to a 'conservative' someday. So, just say:
The fact that more poor families own refrigerators now than they did in 1974 does not mean that the poor are actually getting RICHER. It means that after 30 years of outsourcing manufacturing jobs to low wage countries, the price of refrigerators has fallen to the point where even people so poor that they have to buy macaroni and cheese separately, because they can't afford to buy 'Macaroni and Cheese' dinner can afford to buy a refrigerator to put it in. Furthermore, there are a lot MORE people like that after 30 years of outsourcing jobs.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)I've seen boxes of generic label mac and cheese for 39 cents, but even recipes for the cheaper version would cost several dollars, making it way to expensive for someone trying to budget food money. By the time you buy the mac and then substitute marg instead of butter, milk instead of cream, and processed cheese products instead of expensive varieties, homemade mac and cheese would be a luxury food.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)My nephew is the resident property manager for a 12 unit Section 8 apartment in a Los Angeles suburb. Under legal requirements landlords must supply the basics, stuff like lights, floor and wall coverings, working sanitary facilities with a toilet, sink and shower. Landlords must provide dedicated areas for food preparation with suitable space and equipment to store, prepare, and serve foods in a sanitary manner, and it must include a working stove and a refrigerator of appropriate size for the family. Even the appropriate "thermal environment" with heating/cooling suitable for the local climate is regulated to obtain a certificate of occupancy.
My nephew persuaded the apartment owners to provide basic cable and Internet connections in each unit so tenets don't cause damages (or get injured and sue) trying to jerry rig something on their own. The water and trash is also included in the monthly rent whicj helps keep the building cleaner. Its really just simple economics, and just by adding these little amenities for his tenants, he has almost no turnover which means less expense in prepping vacant units for occupancy and that keeps the income steady for the owners.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)would bitch about anything.
They are furious that the poor arent grateful TO THEM...
How this place doesnt erupt in flames is amazing
underpants
(182,632 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)which selectively compared ownership of some consumer electronics and household items that had dropped in price drastically as a result of outsourcing, to make their 'point' that the poor are actually doing better now than they used to. However, they carefully avoided comparing then-vs-now ownership of consumer items that have not dropped in cost, relative to income. Like cars, for instance. If you compare things like automobile ownership between now and 1974 (I think was the year they compared it to), not only are the poor doing much worse, but so are the middle class. Same thing if you adjust the minimum wage for inflation and cost of living, you see that the minimum wage is lower now, relative to the cost of living, than it's ever been.
Thank goodness that people are finally finding out that CATO, The Heritage Foundation, and The American Enterprise Institute are not 'think tanks,' but simple propaganda machines that are directly funded by a handful of plutocrats. The Koch brothers in particular.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)why anyone takes most of the media seriously. While Faux is by far the worst, they are all miserable.
I only source BBC, AJ and NPR myself and the local media for just a very little bit.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)CNN has become nearly as ridiculous as Fox News.
delrem
(9,688 posts)They don't care about that.
They're owned by Rupert Murdoch and they care about publishing things that please their owner.
That's all that it's about.
Cha
(296,875 posts)An inherent need to be brainwashed. Don't ask why.. I prefer to do my own thinking instead of letting fox "news" do it for me.
JohnnyRingo
(18,619 posts)Once I figured out why some working class conservatives - the ones who are eagerly sought as Fox viewers - want to end social safety nets, it became easier to reason with them.
They resent that economic conditions for the middle class have made them the working poor. Having an hourly job, once the mainstay for middle America, now only offers the same as the welfare class, but they have to go to work every day at a dead end job. They eat every day, they have a car, and they live indoors, just like someone on the public dole. It's to the point now that the only thing that makes one feel "middle class" is having a smart phone.
Knowing that, I usually point out that depriving the unfortunate of basic life necessities doesn't improve their own standard of living. Being able to look down on more people may make some feel better about smacking the alarm clock off the nightstand every morning in the short term, but the only real solution is to improve the benefits of punching that time clock. While most feel powerless to do anything about it, they can start by not supporting politicians who reject unions, fight to lower the minimum wage, and put the cost of health care at the employee's doorstep, issues that are also preached at Fox.
Fox News throws gasoline on the already smoldering fires of class warfare, and they know it. They're tapping into a huge demographic of frustration and contempt. The unfortunate message they cleverly send is to blame the greedy poverty stricken "leeches" instead of the barons who write the nation's economic policy with the pens of their lobbyists.
I usually get those people to admit that taking away food stamps or workfare doesn't help them make a house payment or afford a better car.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Because every dollar spent on assistance programs generates more than a dollar of economic stimulus. People at the bottom of the economic ladder spend every cent they get so that does more good for the economy than tax breaks for the wealthy or even tax breaks for the eroding middle class. The wealthy do not spend the money they save from the massive tax cuts they have gotten over the last thirty years - they just accumulate it, often in off shore tax shelters. The middle class may spend some of their tax savings, but a lot of their money gets set aside in savings for retirement, investment in their homes, and savings for their children's college fee.
The most effective economic stimulus is to make sure that the poorest people have enough money to eat, have a decent place to live, to buy clothes, and to get medical care. In providing those basic needs, everyone's life is improved though more money circulating through the economic system which generates more jobs. It also improves the quality of life for the country - fewer homeless and less untreated diseases, just for two things.
I don't have a source - this is all from what I have learned over the years reading links provided here on DU.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)that didn't work. The cool & frozen air part didn't function.
Where does the 99.6% figure come from anyway? Out of all the people I know locally, a much higher .4% don't have fridges, I'm talking homeless people.
Arkansas Granny
(31,507 posts)what they already think and, therefore, validates their ignorant, bigoted opinions.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)better, I think, as 'confirmation bias' (my explanation) actually doesn't mean exactly what I'm using it for.
Arkansas Granny
(31,507 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Fox News helps them do that by playing them for fools as Fox helps the financial elite continue to amass more and more wealth just as their audience (for the most part) continues to lose more and more wealth.
The Fox News regular audience deserves what's been happening to them for being such gigantic assholes. Unfortunately, the Fox audience enables an agenda that ensures that many others continue to lose ground year after year.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)They believe everything that's fed to them, without question.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)general unwillingness to countenance much of what the centrist Democratic cadre has to say any longer and my conscious seeking out of opinions and stories that buttress my far-left views. In the case of Fox News, if one believes that blacks and Latinos are not as 'human' as Caucasians, then Fox News' continued innuendos and insinuations of same will tend to confirm the bias of the typical Fox News viewer (and, paradoxically, allow them to maintain with all seriousness that they don't have a bias).
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)gets so small that you could drown them in a bathtub.
Gothmog
(144,945 posts)Fox exists to pander to the prejudices of the white GOP base that watches this show
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)I've had arguments about those numbers with ultra-conservatives in my family.
While they love to say "the top 10% richest people is always changing year to year" they never seem to understand that under that same logic who's poor is also changing. Even when I point out lots of people go from making over $100,000 a year to making nothing, and that those people may have bought stuff like that hot tub back when they had money.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Elizabeth Warren has been telling us for a decade and some change that the middle/working/poor are historically and presently getting killed on necessites (food, health care, education, housing, transportation, etc), not tchotchkes. This has been the case since . .. when? When? Oh yes, that's right, the Reagan Administration.
But since they're a propaganda arm for the laissez-fail GOP, Faux and CNBC will never stick that fact into their narrative.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)making it out as if people are living lavishly by just having fridges, but have they ever discussed what is typically inside of a poor household's fridge? Most of the food that my family eats is unhealthy since that's mostly what we can afford, while some other families even have to skip meals. This is a major key to FOX's (and the rest of the RW) agenda--turning the tables and portraying poor Americans as fat rats who don't work hard and are gaming the system, when in reality, these talking heads make millions per year by looking presentable and reading off a screen most of the time.
Bucky
(53,947 posts)http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
[big]The Paranoid Style in American Politics[/big]
American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression paranoid style I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.
{...snip...}
Now turn back fifty years to a manifesto signed in 1895 by a number of leaders of the Populist party:As early as 186566 a conspiracy was entered into between the gold gamblers of Europe and America. . . . For nearly thirty years these conspirators have kept the people quarreling over less important matters while they have pursued with unrelenting zeal their one central purpose. . . . Every device of treachery, every resource of statecraft, and every artifice known to the secret cabals of the international gold ring are being used to deal a blow to the prosperity of the people and the financial and commercial independence of the country.
Next, a Texas newspaper article of 1855:. . . It is a notorious fact that the Monarchs of Europe and the Pope of Rome are at this very moment plotting our destruction and threatening the extinction of our political, civil, and religious institutions. We have the best reasons for believing that corruption has found its way into our Executive Chamber, and that our Executive head is tainted with the infectious venom of Catholicism. . . . The Pope has recently sent his ambassador of state to this country on a secret commission, the effect of which is an extraordinary boldness of the Catholic church throughout the United States. . . . These minions of the Pope are boldly insulting our Senators; reprimanding our Statesmen; propagating the adulterous union of Church and State; abusing with foul calumny all governments but Catholic, and spewing out the bitterest execrations on all Protestantism. The Catholics in the United States receive from abroad more than $200,000 annually for the propagation of their creed. Add to this the vast revenues collected here. . .
{...snip...}
The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic termshe traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millennialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date fort the apocalypse.
{...snip...}
The paranoid style is not confined to our own country and time; it is an international phenomenon. Studying the millennial sects of Europe from the eleventh to the sixteenth century, Norman Cohn believed he found a persistent psychic complex that corresponds broadly with what I have been consideringa style made up of certain preoccupations and fantasies: the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies . . . systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque.
This glimpse across a long span of time emboldens me to make the conjectureit is no more than thatthat a mentality disposed to see the world in this way may be a persistent psychic phenomenon, more or less constantly affecting a modest minority of the population. But certain religious traditions, certain social structures and national inheritances, certain historical catastrophes or frustrations may be conducive to the release of such psychic energies, and to situations in which they can more readily be built into mass movements or political parties. In American experience ethnic and religious conflict have plainly been a major focus for militant and suspicious minds of this sort, but class conflicts also can mobilize such energies. Perhaps the central situation conducive to the diffusion of the paranoid tendency is a confrontation of opposed interests which are (or are felt to be) totally irreconcilable, and thus by nature not susceptible to the normal political processes of bargain and compromise. The situation becomes worse when the representatives of a particular social interestperhaps because of the very unrealistic and unrealizable nature of its demandsare shut out of the political process. Having no access to political bargaining or the making of decisions, they find their original conception that the world of power is sinister and malicious fully confirmed. They see only the consequences of powerand this through distorting lensesand have no chance to observe its actual machinery.