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My new avatar is for all you fucking trolls, NOT the folks who've supported me!

Because, due to trollish behavior, it really has become off-topic. (You'll note that at least two of those accounts have been banned.) And one of the biggest mistakes President Obama has ever made, not that there have been a lot, was giving in to Ubertroll Donnie and releasing his long-form birth certificate, which then only led to further demands by Trump. So, if you're looking for documentation, no doubt followed by fingerprints, blood samples, semen samples, etc., you're shit outta luck. I stand by every statement I have made in this thread, and wish to thank everyone here who has supported me, and who actually don't believe that this website should emulate the NSA.


PS: If the thread remains unlocked tomorrow, I shall delete it myself.


In 1988, I killed a man of color in the process of enforcing American law. An ensign in the Coast Guard, we were doing drug interdiction mostly. Some of the smugglers would runs, but, once we had them cornered, once they saw that our guns were drawn, they surrendered. Except for one time.

It was a small boat from Panama. Two men, both Hispanic, on board. We intercepted, they stopped their vessel immediately, but then decided to fight. (To this day, I can't fathom why: The cocaine they were transporting had an '88 street value of less than $60,000: Chump change!)

My CO ordeed myself and another man to "show," which was his code for going to the side of our ship with weapons visible. In this one case, the smugglers opened fire, one man's bullet missing my head by more than a foot, whereupon I shot him twice in the chest. My CO did the same to the other smuggler. They both dies shortly thereafter.

Here's the thing: I felt remorse. I lost sleep for a couple of weeks, even though the brass investigated and, in the parlance of TV cop shows, deemed it "a clean shoot."

Eventually, I expressed this to my CO, whom I knew had killed twice before. To my surprise, he told me that he, too, had felt regret about the actions we had taken that day. He said to me, "Son, you're not SUPPOSED to feel good about it."

And this brings me back to my headline: Darren Wilson has expressed not one iota of sorrow over his killing of a young man who didn't even have a weapon! He says he has slept soundly, no regrets, the whole "if I had to do it again" bullshit.

To me, this is evidence of psycopathy., and I hope Mr. Wilson never again has a job in any sector of law enforcement, though I strongly suspect that such hope will be dashed, if it hasn't already.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:06 PM

1. At one time counseling was provided for the police who needed the therapy after

a fatal shooting. Not so much anymore.

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Response to Malraiders (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:19 PM

23. I thought they mandated therapy after an officer-involved shooting.

If only because the officer might hesitate the next time he needed to shoot, which might put other officers at risk.

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Response to Malraiders (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:06 PM

76. I think the "counseling" was usually pretty minimal,

sort of along the lines of "critical incident debriefing." I once sat through a training session conducted by a police officer who got into it after he himself had been involved in a (clearly justifiable) shooting. CID was and is completely inadequate as a substitute for real therapy. For one thing, it's conducted by nonprofessionals, who don't have confidentiality rules.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:20 PM

2. Good observation. Thanks for telling your story.

There definitely has to be something missing in a person like Wilson- a lack of humanity. And, no doubt, there are a lot of other cops like him.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:26 PM

3. There was an episode of Barney Miller along this line.

The Hispanic detective shot and killed a couple suspects who tried to shoot him.

A few cops and the media called him a "hero," but he was obviously broken up over this.

Wilson's actions and words show he doesn't view Brown as a person.

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Response to Archae (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:55 PM

233. we have a friend who quit HPD after killing a man who shot him.

 



Doesn't want to get shot or shoot back again.

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Response to Archae (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:13 PM

266. A Place Beyond the Pines

Bradley Wilson plays a patrol officer who happens to be where the motorcycle bank robber bandit rides by him chases inside a stranger's home, I was looking away when he shot him so wasn't sure if he had to but did but was broken up about it and inquired if he had kids which bugged him learning of it. The cops & the media played up the "hero" thing but it isn't how he saw himself. Then a group of cop buddies, one played by Ray Liotta. They later decide to show up to the kid's mother's house unannounced, when she told him he can't come in he says "How about you pretend I have a warrant and I'll pretend your mom has papers."

They go upstairs, find money stashed in the crib (which the mother didn't know about from prior scenes), back in the car Ray Liotta divides to loot and gives Bradley a "hero's cut". He is obviously uncomfortable, he asked during the unauthorized search to a different cop "What are we doing here?" He decides to inform his supervisor and he flips out, why are bringing me this shit? Trying to rat out other cops. Bradley explains he is doing what he is supposed to do which he orders him out of his office telling him he doesn't want to know about it. You see him leaving the station and he sees Ray Liotta talking with the supervisor in the parking lot.

Later Ray Liotta pulls him over asking him to follow him, he wants to "talk about it." Next you think you know it is night and Ray Liotta is driving up dirt roads In the Place Beyond the Pines.

That was just halfway, Ebert says "Ray Liotta has played a dirty cop before but no one does it better." I couldn't agree more.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #266)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:17 PM

393. I believe it's the sons of the cop and the thief who have the final confrontation

Either way, it's a very good movie - one of the off-beat movies Gosling does that are almost always worth watching.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:27 PM

4. but.........but......

TAWANNA BRAWLEY

Sorry, couldn't resist

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:35 PM

5. Meanwhile Eric Garner's family is beside with themselves with grief

over the senseless killing of the two police officers.

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Response to MuttLikeMe (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:54 PM

29. Because they are decent human beings,

Wilson is not. He may be mentally ill or just a horrible person, I do not know him. He got away with murder, though.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:55 PM

36. Sociopathy

 

It'll get you kicked out of today's military in a nanosecond

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:24 AM

48. Apparently

Police departments are OK with it. Are you sure about the military? It is rampant in elected officials... in local, state and national offices.

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Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:42 PM

7. Thank you for your astute analysis

 

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Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:46 PM

11. so says the thug

and you a demon too?

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Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:50 PM

14. like Saint Celem

or Demon Thug Celem?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:50 PM

13. I do not think that word, "we", means what you think it means.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:43 PM

8. read much?

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:43 PM

9. probably not

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Response to Post removed (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:50 PM

15. FOX Viewer, I Presume?

 

I'm new here, myself, but I suspect that you MAY be on the wrong website.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:59 PM

17. Thank You

 

But I do have to ask, based on your username: Are you a Navy or ex-Navy guy?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:07 PM

19. No

 

It's just that we in the Guard never have problems with the Army or Air Force. But the Navy? Arrogant disdain from every Navy guy (and now gal) I've ever met!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:08 PM

22. Next time one of them starts up,

invite him/her to transfer and sign up as a Coast Guard rescue swimmer. If motor mouth has a triple digit IQ, s/he will STFU. Hands down, one of the most dangerous ways to make minimum wage.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:20 AM

37. Living on the coast, I have great respect for Coast Guard.

And am not military, just anuppity middle aged nurse and mom here. Coast Guard is double plus good. Congrats on 30 year status!

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:27 AM

38. Thanks

 

And wish me luck on getting my own boat!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:14 AM

42. Boat?

I thought boats were subs and surface vessels were ships? Or is that a Navy thing?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:03 PM

95. Cutters are boats

Subs are boats by convention. But plenty of surface vessels are "boats".

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Response to Recursion (Reply #95)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:05 PM

96. Thanks, didn't know that.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #96)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:44 PM

105. Boats lean into turns and ships lean out

There are several other (sometimes contradictory) rubrics for distinguishing ships from boats:

Ships have three masts, boats fewer
Ships are commanded by captains, boats by lower ranks
Ships are longer than a certain length
A boat can be carried by another vessel; a ship cannot

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Response to Recursion (Reply #105)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:46 PM

106. Jeez!!!

Guess I don't know jack about water craft, but ask me anything about helicopters.
I'm assuming you were Navy?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #106)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:49 PM

108. Marines, but worked with LCACs

And (much) later worked as a contractor for USN on their LCAC fleet.

Helicopter question: how in the hell do they find people crazy enough to pilot those?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #108)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:20 AM

110. First thing they do is show us this picture and ask if we relate to it.



If we answer in the affirmative, they tell us we're helicopter pilot material.

Also, helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:10 AM

41. My nephew was career Navy Seal,

he referred to the Coast Guard as Puddle Pirates.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:20 PM

247. He should be more respectful.

 

The Coast Guard Sector Columbia River has rescued countless Oregonians. They deserve praise and respect, not condescension.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #247)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:27 PM

250. Just good natured ribbing between the services.

Navy calls Marines Jarhead, Marines call sailors Squids, Army are often called Grunts, AF called flyboys, etc.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #250)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:39 PM

251. Don't forget joshing the Marines about writing with crayons :)

And even intra-branch there are rivalries, as between the Army's 101st and 82nd Airborne Divisions.

When my bn. of the 101st in VN was reactivated this year, it was as part of the 82nd. The horror, the horror!

You weren't with 101st Aviation in-country by any chance, were you?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #251)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:05 PM

258. As a matter of fact, yes.

Co. A, 101st Aviation Bn., flew the UH-1H Huey before transitioning to the AH-1 Cobra.

This thread turned out to be a train wreck.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #258)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:34 PM

272. Reason I asked is that they supported me in-country, and saved my life

I was a grunt plt ldr WIth the 101st's 2/501 Infantry until I was wounded 2/7/70. The Medevac chopper came in through heavy enemy fire to lift me out in a basket.

Of course, the 101st Hueys also inserted us on many combat assaults and would move us during the month we'd spend out in the jungle.

We had a warrant pilot in my Infantry OCS class at Benning, Guy was an experienced helicopter pilot, but wanted to go for commission. And my OCS roommate went to Rucker for flight school when we graduated. He went down with his Huey in VN, KIA just before I arrived.

Welcome home, brother!

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #272)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:46 PM

275. We might very well have seen each other, you may have been on my Huey at one time,

small world. By late 69, I was driving an AH-1 "snake" doing CGS ops for you ground pounders and occasionally the Marines, also still driving the Huey now and then when they needed me.
Thank you for your service and a Hearty Welcome Home Brother.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #275)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:23 AM

280. Were you on the operation up to Quang Tri in December '69?

Our normal AO was in Thua Thien Province, but in December they had an NVA regiment that crossed the DMZ on a mission to attack the city of Quang Tri. We were told that the NVA got into terrain that the 5th Mech, stationed at the Z, couldn't get into with their tracks, so they wanted an airmobile bn to go after them and they called us.

They took us up to Quang Tri on C-130s and from there we did a bn-sized combat assault on Hueys with Cobra escort. I'd never seen an entire bn in the air before, and I took lots of pics. Unfortunately, my camera and all my pics of that op were destroyed when I went through too many stream crossings.

In case you haven't heard it enough from us in the Infantry, we love you guys! Both the Hueys and the Cobras saved my bacon too many times to count.

And I can't help being jazzed by your moving to Cobras. God, I loved those sleek and deadly bastards.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #280)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:32 AM

281. My recollections are kind of hazy,

but I believe that was my first combat mission flying the Cobra escorting the Huey's, God, it was a heady experience going from the Huey to the fast and nimble Cobra.

If memory serves me right, this was my first true escort mission, we were doing CGS before this.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #250)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:06 PM

265. Ah. My bad.

 

We love our Coast Guard here in Oregon - just extended the operations of the Newport helicopter station:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2014/12/newport_coast_guard_helicopter.html

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:41 PM

203. I did 24 years in the Navy

 

Hopefully I can change your opinion someday.



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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:23 PM

31. welcome to du

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Response to niyad (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:47 PM

33. Thank You

 

Glad to heed beer! (Wait...did I phrase that correctly? Ah, who cares? I'm off-duty now!)

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:33 AM

51. Well give the poster a break

 

Fox is off the dish network. Lol. The poster is lost.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:23 PM

20. There is such a stigma of appearing "weak" or not macho enough

in military groups that many people are unable to admit remorse even to themselves. Now we have another generation of young men and women coming out of the military who have been conditioned to accept the falsehoods of machismo and bravado to cope with the horrors trapped in their own mind. The US has done a terrible job at advancing mental health programs and making it an illness no less in need of treatment than diabetes or pneumonia.

I don't know that it is right to blame anyone, even Wilson, for not expressing sufficient public grief or remorse for his actions. Simply looking at the militant police culture that was on display in Fergusson during the protests, this doesn't look like a group that is likely to encourage any self assessment or introspection, let alone remorse.

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Response to procon (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:02 PM

21. Actually, It's More a Lack of Professionalism

 

Although the macho rubbish still infects way too many.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:20 PM

24. Contrast with the police officer who killed Dimebag Darrell's murderer

James Niggemeyer had the ultimate in justifiable shooting. He shot the murderer as a hostage situation or worse was unfolding (four had already been killed). He took one carefully placed shot after approaching the murderer from the rear.

The attached story talks about how he is still trying to deal with the experience.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/dimebag-darrell-policeman/

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:23 PM

25. Why would he ever work again? They've amassed over $300k for his defense fund, which he may

never need...

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:35 PM

26. Thank you for your compelling story, Ryan. Darren Wilson comes off as a stone cold killer

who should have been indicted to stand trial for murdering Michael Brown. And, maybe he would have if the "prosecutor" Bob McCullough didn't lie to the Grand Jury and act as his advocate instead of prosecuting.

How could anyone but a sociopath not feel remorse for killing an unarmed kid?

Welcome to DU

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Response to Cha (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:30 AM

39. Thank You for the Welcome

 

And I would most definitely include the sorry-assed excuse for a prosecutor as part of Wilson's indictment.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:37 PM

27. "I would not do anything different."

I find that very disturbing - seriously, knowing someone died, surely you would wonder if perhaps there were better ways

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Response to Skittles (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:30 AM

44. Reminds One of This Guy:

 



Doesn't it?

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:46 AM

45. yes - I believe it is the sentiment of sociopaths

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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:04 PM

53. Or THIS Guy:

 



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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:10 PM

98. At least the Sith had a code. n/t

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:50 PM

28. That's who they WANT in law enforcement.

You don't think the police are there to make communities (especially those of color) safer, do you?

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:02 AM

46. In MY Sector of Law Enforcement, We Don't Equivocate

 

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Yes, as mentioned above, the man I killed was Hispanic, not white. But that was not a decision I ever wanted to make! Please, John, I beg of you not to paint with that broad brush, the very same brush that I, myself, am so tempted to wield. You are absolutely right in saying that policemen, FAR TOO OFTEN, have been used to terrorize and intimidate the disenfranchised.

You may think me naive---and perhaps you'd be right!---for saying that, in my 29+ years of patrolling our nation's coastal waters, I've observed only a few instances of racial animus. And I realize full well, and with no shortage of sadness, that my branch is the last remaining part of our military that remains purely defensive.
Eisenhower was right: The military-industrial complex has not only gone out of control---fueled by Mammon and the people who worship at his filthy altar, NOT by the men and women who just want to do a good service---but has also "trickled down" into local law enforcement, state by state, city by city, mind by mind, soul by soul, and infected this country, perhaps fatally. All I would ask of you, John, is that you grant me and the people I serve with the acknowledgement that this is not what we signed up for!

If you grant me nothing else, sir, I beseech you to grant men like myself, and those men and women like me, at least that.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:07 AM

49. If you don't agree with what your employer is doing

it seems to me you'd be morally bound to leave.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:13 AM

50. You're not aware that the US Coast Guard was in Iraq?

How could you be a 29+ year veteran and not know this?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:41 PM

54. Perhaps I Don't Deserve That Promotion

 

Thank you for catching that. The Coast Guard, like the National Guard, was (wrongfully!) deployed in that theater. I was trying to emphasize to John the point that our focus is defensive. Since he appears to have missed what I was trying to say, I can only conclude that I shouldn't be writing while worked up, having consumed mass quantities of beer. (I'm on Christmas leave, so don't worry.)

The post has been edited, with the incorrect assertion removed. Thanks again!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #54)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:13 PM

63. No problem,

and I'm quite sure you do deserve that promotion.
Good luck getting your own ship, (Cutter)?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:26 PM

64. Most Likely a Cutter, Yes

 

And I find myself owing you another apology: In my last reply, I referred to TransitJohn merely as "John," apparently blind to the fact that "John" is a part of your username, too, thus achieving a lack of clarity bordering on the Palinesque.

I hope the higher-ups here don't read these postings of mine. Otherwise, I'll be lucky to get a rowboat!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:32 PM

65. Ha, if you are assigned to a rowboat,

then can I call you a Puddle Pirate?
I keed, I keed, you guys do a hell of a job and I tip my hat to you.

I spent 40+years in the US Army as an attack chopper pilot.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:13 PM

30. Expressing remorse at this point ...

... could be viewed as an admission of doing something wrong.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:53 PM

35. There will still be civil actions

Saying he did something wrong or regretted his actions could be used in a lawsuit against him down the road.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:37 AM

40. Daniel Pantaleo "apologized" to Eric Garner's family FWIWW.

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:34 AM

47. Which Isn't Much

 

There's "something happening here." Sadly, this time, "what it is" can be seen by anyone in posession of a functional brain cell.

We all know there's only one nation on this planet which can destroy America. Hey, I've got mirrors in MY house. Do you?

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 05:20 PM

66. I know.. it's NOTHING.. and was not accepted by Eric Garner's wife.. that's why I said FWIWW.

I mentioned it because Wilson couldn't even do that.

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Response to Cha (Reply #66)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:37 PM

67. WROMH,

 

Which stands for "whooshed right over my head." I'm tellin' ya, friend, I'm not having the best 30 hours intellectually! Good thing I'm on Christmas leave.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #67)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:51 PM

68. No Problema.. Aloha and Enjoy your Christmas Leave, Ryan.

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:40 AM

52. thanks for mentioning that

that is very relevant to this discussion.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:15 AM

43. "Failure of humanity."

That's what people like this need to be known as. FOHs.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:47 PM

55. Powerful story.

 

Thank you for sharing it, and for your service, and welcome to DU.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:40 PM

56. Thank You, Sir!

 

Do you post to other websites? I've read a couple of your posts here (very good, by the way), but I seem to recall seeing the name William (or Will, maybe) Pitt in other places on the net.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:56 PM

57. Thank you! I'm the lead writer for Truthout.org

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #57)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:22 PM

60. Yes!

 

I knew that I'd read your writings before! Now, I am not just thankful for your welcome, I'm downright honored!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #60)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:55 PM

61. The honor is mine, sir.

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:17 AM

312. He also sells used cars. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #312)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:52 AM

353. and known for his work with the homeless nt

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:05 PM

62. That IS Sickening!

 

In fact, I think you should post it as its own thread. (You'd already have my Rec, that's for sure.)

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:18 PM

59. K&R....

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 08:44 PM

69. This story is a blatant LIE

 

I am not discussing the "lesson" the OP is trying to impart here, and I will not delve into the political spectrum here. However his story of being a Coast Guard Ensign in 1988 and killing a man (any man) during a drug interdiction patrol at that time frame is, I believe, not true.

I will give you many reasons why this story is a fabrication. I recently retired from the Coast Guard as a Senior Chief Boatswain Mate. I was an operator for almost all of that career, and attending their senior law enforcement school (sounds cool, but not really). I have also written about Coast Guard history, and am a paid author about Coast Guard history and operations.

First reason: The entire Coast Guard is a smaller force (about 35,000) than the New York City Police Department (about 45,500). If a New York cop shoots a suspect, every other cop in New York is going to know about it in just a few days. Now, maybe the office assistant for the undersecretary of janitorial services for the #th district of the New York Police Department won't know about it, but every COP on the beat is going to know about it. I was an operator for almost all of my career, and I damn well knew about every major Coast Guard law enforcement action during that career.

Second: Coast Guard Ensigns are typically brilliant idiots (meaning incredibly smart, but young and naive), and nobody gives them a gun unless there is a Chief right behind them making sure they don't hurt themselves. NOBODY would EVER have given an Ensign a gun (presumably a long gun) and told them to go to the side of the ship to "show" their weapon. This is NOT, and since the Civil War HAS not, been the role of an Ensign on any Coast Guard ship. If the OP had said he was a "gunner's mate", or "boatswain mate", then this story would have used at least the right character, but in this case, it is simply an imaginary actor.

Third: The Coast Guard has reporting requirements for incidences, called Situation Reports (or SITREPS). Even back in 1988 a Commanding Officer would NEVER have fired a hostile shot unless it was immediately reported via SITREP. In about 1992 the Coast Guard added a LEREP (Law Enforcement Report) requirement for anything as small as an officer using more than "level 2" (defined as giving verbal commands" against a subject). These SITREPS were put together in reports from the Coast Guard Office of Law Enforcement and distributed to the field as learning aids. There was NEVER a SITREP concerning a Coastie (let alone an Ensign) getting shot at by a Panamanian drug smuggler and returning lethal fire.

Fourth: The Coast Guard, even way back in 1988, required every single cutter, boat, or unit to account for each and every bullet expended. This was a requirement for far longer than what I remember, and comes from the NAVY, from which we get our ammunition from. This means that any ammunition fired operationally would HAVE to be reported as an operational expenditure. If someone wants to get conspiratorial (in the realm of the twin towers being brought down by our own government), then YES, it is theoretically possible to get an entire crew of a ship (because everyone will know when a round is fired) to agree to lie, including the "career" guys who were not involved in the shooting yet would lose their careers if it came out that they covered it up. However, remember, this is the incredibly small Coast Guard, and human nature is that "people talk". I, and every other senior person from 1988 onward, would have heard about this.

Fifth, his Commanding Officer would not have "killed twice before" unless his CO had perhaps been an ENS or LtJg during Operation Markettime during the Vietnam Conflict. Even then I do not believe any CO or XO of a patrol boat during Operation Markettime ever directly engaged the enemy and got a KIA, let alone TWO.

Lastly, the supposedly Lieutenant Commander Fitzomething has been in the Coast Guard for 30 years, and is soon making Commander and "getting his own boat". This also reeks of bull excrement. The very few Lieutenant Commander's the Coast Guard has who have been in for approaching 30 years are prior enlisted guys who went to OCS. These are guys who are subject matter specialists (naval engineering, electrical engineering, civil engineering, etc) who are the technocrats, NOT the ship-driving officer corps. For those who were Ensigns in 1988, most are now Captains (O-6), or AT LEAST Senior Commanders. If you want proof, look at the biography of ANY "Coast Guard Sector Commander", who are all O-6s.

Now, we are all wrong sometimes. And I am certainly an imperfect human being. So I will make (the supposedly) Lieutenant Commander Ryan Fitzomething a deal. You send me an email to Boatswain2PA@gmail with details of who you are, and I will ask some of my friends up in D17 (Alaska) if you are for real. If you are, I will come back on this board and publicly apologize, and I will send you a bottle of wine for you to share with your wife as my apologies for calling you a liar.

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Response to Boatswain2PA (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 02:49 AM

70. Very Impressive Boat's

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Informative and interesting down to every detail. What do you call the officers cooks and food severs in the Coast Guard ?
The Navy's rate for that is steward/cs.
I really can't imagine even a non rated seamen creating such a fabrication .
We know that during long lengths of sea time some seamen actually run out of thought or things to think about. And if not kept busy in some way or other,well ,as you have seen ! lol .

Not to say or indicate the fabricated events are at all funny,and given the comparison the poster drew through a fabricated experience to a real life event, than considering the poster claims to have been an ensign at that time-, one may be lead to believe that what the poster sees as proof Wilson is a psychopath is the opinion of an officer and educated gentleman who unprofessionally must hold at least a masters degree in psychology to make that determination.

However in truth, none of it really adds up. Don't even know if it could even pass as scuttlebutt ! -rumors ,fabrications.

I will say it did strike a nerve ,there the poster has his/her effect.
Your post on the other hand reminds me of Coast Guard professionalism at it's finest !

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Response to Name removed (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 03:11 PM

73. Yes the up or out -

came about with many revisions along with the military budget cuts back there in the 70's when the selective service draft
went out in 73. Thus the creation of the all volunteer military of higher standards.

My experience with the Coast Guard when I was in the Navy for one was in Cuba of off the cost for the ships qualification ratings.The E for efficiency-rigorous testing and drills ,the coast Guard is in effect the qualification board. We worked with a Coast Guard Boat's E9.
it was about excellence and nothing short of.

And returning to US territorial waters after a deployment,that's enforcement ,the coast Guard comes aboard sometimes with the dogs. Any seaman has a problem with that has a problem to begin with because the next port is home port. And a seamens problem becomes the ships problem should there be one. Such a thing would cause the ship to be held up for further inquiries and that would make the ships company very angry at who ever's are the cause of that problem should there be one.

A deployment can be as much as a year and that is a long time away from home.
Of course drugs are on the list.
From my experience those searches were conducted both fast and efficiently.

A wannabe, I hadn't thought about that angle.
That adds up!



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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:30 PM

200. There haven't been "stewards" in the US Navy for over half a century.

The appropriate term for food preparers used to be "Mess Management Specialist." MS in abbreviated parlance. It was updated to the fancier, schmancier "Culinary Specialist" or CS in 2004 or thereabouts. I guess the reason they changed it is because people were too thick to understand that the term "mess" had to do with meals at sea and had been used for CENTURIES of Naval heritage, and were pouting about having a specialty that some might think was messy, or something.

Stewards in the old days were mostly POC (Black or Filipino) and they functioned as cooks and personal assistants and cabin attendants. That whole 'personal servitude' element went mercifully out the window and the job was professionalized.

I've never known a non-LDO ensign to be trusted with by direction authority, never mind a weapon...but whatever.

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Response to MADem (Reply #200)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:56 PM

234. I know what you are getting at, mess cooks-mess management specialist

In the 70's mess cooks were called mess cooks ,I dono there may have been an officiated title to it. Stewart and cook were combined to form culinary specialist.I imagine officers cooks is now a matter of assignment .I may have been thinking of a cookie assigned to officers mess who let the gold go to his head and perhaps began to see himself as an jr. officer ,an ensign.You know the wish fulfillment thing.

Ryan clearly couldn't see himself as a gunners mate or a bos'n mate I imagine ensign may have seemed more-so fitting to the occasion he was fabricating ,I think.
I know in the Navy gunners mates keep charge of small weapons and maintain the big guns-GMT's the nukees. Bosn's are trained in landing party operations and will have small arms training for that particular assignment. There was no mention of a weapons officer in Ryan's story down the avenues of the chain of command. He seemed to confine his story to command status ,him as an ensign and his commander. So sure plenty of holes in his story.

Reviewing his posts and looking at the pics he posted and his usage of emma cons you really have consider it does look as though he stepped out of the comic book world and wrote himself out a hero script.
Every now and again mostly in port some prankster would pick up the ships 1mc mike and shout in some type of obscenity or other than hang it up and run and hide. An act of rebellion I suppose. But of course that was 30 years or more ago maybe that sort of thing doesn't happen anymore. You know, they all wised up right ?

No I think the truth is they just keep coming from one generation to the next. There is a thing called maturity so most of them grow out it. Some never do though.

For the first 60 posts or so Ryan seemed to be on top of his game,but than suddenly the tide changed.
The tipping of his hat emma con turned to the taunting rolling laugh .
And anybody what doesn't believe he is who and what he says he is can go to hell,that is what he said.
So now he's given DU administration an ultimatum-erase this thread or he will shoot himself in the foot,no I mean delete himself. I have no idea where shoot himself in the foot, figuratively of course not literally came from, why,it just showed up !

Look Ryan really struck a nerve with a retired Boatswains mate senior chief petty officer who happens to write about coast Guard history and he got slammed for telling those lies. He can delete himself here if wishes but he cannot erase those lies.

Several former and active Coast guardsman came aboard as the saying goes and set the record straight and thats it.




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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #234)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:10 PM

243. No-they got rid of "stewards" eons ago.There's no one left on ACDU who served with stewards.

They professionalized the rating and made it "Mess Management Specialist" for those who did the cooking aka "MS"--the CS thing happened in the last ten years, the idea being that the rating would be more understood by civilians when people transitioned to civilian jobs.

This thread is a disgrace and really should be deleted--it has no place on this website. It's fiction, and it's bad fiction, at that. Anyone who knows anything about military promotion flow points can see that this is a ghastly load of nonsense, piled higher and deeper. Not sure what the goal is, but it's divisive, disruptive and inaccurate (and that's the most polite word I can find to explain what I'm saying).

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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #234)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:18 PM

246. He posted pics?

This I want to see.

Where?

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Response to cwydro (Reply #246)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:43 PM

252. the pic.s he posted are comical not to do with his

fabricated story . Where is between post one and sixty or 65 in there. Ryan was on top of his game between the 22nd Dec. and the 23rd.
Actually read those posts than see where it turned.

Does Ryan strike you as management material ?
But the thread just rolled right along with it until it changed. It sort of fizzled out on the 23rd. Than picked back up on the 26 th.
At that point Ryan's game changed.


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Response to Boatswain2PA (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 04:06 PM

74. I'm Flattered Than You Signed Up to DU Just For Me!

 

Less than 24 hours ago, at that.

Now, let me take a wild guess: If I provide you with all of my professional (scholastic, as well?) details, you will donate $5 million to the charity of my choice. Right?

No thanks, Trump Troll.

PS: This is my first and last communication to you. I go now to wash my hands.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #74)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:33 PM

77. This story doesn't make sense.

 

You have stated that you are a LCDR, and making “full CDR” and “getting your own boat”. That means you would have been screened in 2014 for command of said “boat”.

Anyone can see who screens for command in the Coast Guard. From the 2014 Senior Command Screening Panel released last September(you can find this here: http://www.uscg.mil/announcements/alcgoff/099-14_ALCGOFF.txt), you can see that there were a whopping FIVE LCDR’s in the entire Coast Guard who screened for senior command afloat ("Senior Command" is defined as CDR or above, which you say you are making CDR and getting your own boat, so your name would be on this list).

FIVE of them. If you are telling the truth (making CDR and getting “your own boat”) you would be one of these FIVE LCDR’s who screened for senior command afloat this year.

You can cross reference their names in the Register of Coast Guard Officers (available here: http://www.uscg.mil/opm/Opm1/Opm1docs/2014%20Register%20FINAL%20print.pdf) to see when any officer in the Coast Guard received their commission. Looking at their names in the Register you can see that two of them received their commission in 1998, and the other three received their commission in 1999.

That was a full 10 years AFTER you claim to have been an Ensign and shot a man.

I am not going to call you a liar, because that would be rude, and might get me banned from this site. But anyone can look at the Coast Guard Register of Officers (linked above) and see that there is not LCDR in the entire Coast Guard who was an ensign in 1988.

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Response to mlb47driver (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:14 PM

78. Your Profile Says: Member since: Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:26 PM Number of posts: 1

 

Hello, Boatswain's Alt!

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:37 PM

80. I've Reported Both

 

Frankly, I'd rather this thread be locked than see it become an incubator for trolls. I am a Lieutenant-Commander in the USCG, as stated, and anyone unwilling to take my word as to serving this country can go directly to Hell.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #80)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:11 PM

82. You got caught

You are not an active duty LCDR. Face it, you got caught in a lie.

There is even a thread about you by real Coasties here: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/1860094613001

For the record, the USCG Global Address List shows nobody stationed in Juneau as a LCDR, age 52 who was (supposedly) commissioned in 1985 who is well past mandatory high year tenure point of 6/2005 when he would have been forced put for failure to promote with his year group. You are a fake.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #82)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:37 PM

86. Member since: Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:05 PM

 

How many more alts do you have, "Boatswain"?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #111)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:19 AM

114. Jeez, I hope this isn't true, but something definitely reeks here.

I fucking hate these stolen valor wannabe's, not saying yet that this is the case, but it ain't looking good.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #114)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:54 AM

120. He doesn't exist

"Ryan" doesn't exist in the UCSG officer database. As has been pointed out there are no LCDRs currently on active duty who were commissioned in 1985 like he claims.

Furthermore, as another member here has linked on this thread there is no record in the CG maritime LE reports which substantiate the incident he claims as ever having taken place. Note how "Ryan" has been asked on two different threads to explain why his Walter Mitty tale of him and then his CO shooting a "drug runner" doesn't jive with official CG records, yet keeps ignoring it, instead reporting anyone who is actually in the Coast Guard who questions his version of events.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #120)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:01 AM

121. I started having my doubts when he didn't seem to know that the USCG was

deployed to Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom but I kept my doubts to myself.
BTW, welcome to DU and thanks for your compelling info.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #121)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:10 AM

122. You hear "Ryan's" kind of nonsense

...from time to time about how "humanitarian" the Coast Guard supposedly is as opposed to anything related to the DoD. That ignores the fact that we not only were in Iraq, but also Saudi, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Until the end of the Cold War, our high endurance cutters were equipped with Harpoon anti-ship missiles. If there wherever a boba tide threat again, trust me these offensive weapons systems would be right back onboard.

We have over 222 years of serving alongside our brothers and sisters in the other armed services, and we are proud of it.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:14 AM

123. Glad to have you aboard Coastie.

You should be damned proud of your service, you guys and gals do a real service for the country.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #120)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:18 PM

268. I am appalled at the number of "recs" this tale has garnered.

People are justifiably upset about what happened to Mr. Garner in NYC and what happened to young Michael Brown in Ferguson. I can't help but feel this thread is an attempt--a rather blatant one-- to take those feelings and toy with them. For what purposes, I don't even want to surmise.

It's quite obvious to anyone with half a nostril that this story doesn't pass the smell test. I hope you don't take much abuse for pointing out the obvious.

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Response to MADem (Reply #268)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:23 PM

269. I was hoping that this was all a mistake on his part and he would clarify the inconsistencies

about his story, but it seems he's gone AWOL.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #269)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:35 PM

273. He'll probably be back, maybe next time as a sniper or some other "knife-between-the-teeth"

macho man, spinning a heartfelt but poorly crafted tale that relates to the next abrogation of justice. I'd be surprised if he pokes his head back up in his current iteration--he's been well and truly outed as a fake of the first order. You'd think someone with access to the internet would know how to use Google with sufficient expertise to not get caught out with such a massive mess of blatantly false material.

It's all about attention seeking, maybe, and that points to someone who is unwell--I'd rather think that, actually, than to think it's all about jerking chains, getting jollies about the death of a young man, and mocking people's sincere dismay for sport. I'm sad to say I'm so damn cynical of late that if I were to make a bet, I'd bet on the latter.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Reply #78)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:23 AM

126. You've been here 10 days

 

Calling out newbies isn't a bright idea.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=319587

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Response to pintobean (Reply #126)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:47 PM

170. What about copy/pasting stuff anyone could look at, pinto bean?

Jeebus…

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #170)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:59 PM

180. What about it?

 


I provided a link so anyone wanting to check the accuracy of my statement wouldn't have to scroll back up to find one of his posts to click on his profile. It's a courtesy.

Kind of a strange thing to complain about.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #180)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:02 PM

183. Why is it such a task to do that?

Perhaps you're just be helpful, then.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #183)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:08 PM

187. Don't worry about it

 

I didn't do it with you in mind.

It will be okay.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #187)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:13 PM

190. No problem...

I'm sure it will be okay.

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Response to mlb47driver (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:46 PM

81. LOL wut? There is a huge list of commissioned officers in 1988 making CDR in 2014 from your own link

 

Did you even look at the second link?

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Response to Rex (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:21 PM

83. His lie claimed he was commissioned in 1985

...which is impossible. As it was pointed out those officers in year group '85 still remaining on active duty are Serving in the grade of Captain/O-6 or higher (Flag rank) by this time.

Furthermore, by 1988 he would have been a LTJG/O-2.

"Ryan" banked on nobody from the actual Coast Guard catching him in his lie which worked out fine, until it didn't.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #83)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:30 PM

84. The OP says he was an ensign in 1988. There are commissioned CMD from that group.

 

Where did you get 1985 from? I missed that part of his post.

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Response to Rex (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:38 PM

87. His own profile

...he claims he was commissioned in 1985.

Furthermore, no way he would have been an ENS in 1988 as he claims. Year Group 1985 officers were all promoted to LTJG/O-2 in 1986!!!!

He can't even make stuff up with a plausible timeline that makes sense.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums?m=1860094613001&a=tpc&f=415197802

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #87)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:41 PM

89. He does?

 

"Three decades in the Coast Guard as of 06/26/2015. Married to a stone-cold MILF. Literally! We have two sons and a daughter. Liberal on domestic issues, centrist on foreign, proud to be serving in the one branch of our military that is exclusively defensive."

So you are saying that when he says three decades, that must mean 30 exact years...okay got it thanks.

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Response to Rex (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:43 PM

90. http://forums.military.com/eve/forums?m=1860094613001&a=tpc&f=415197802

No worries! Rex. Just wanted to show how his story doesn't measure up.

No way he would have been an ENS for three years like he claims. The math doesn't add up.

Peace Brother!

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #90)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:48 PM

92. Peace and for his sake

 

I hope he is telling the truth. Probably does not know about new laws enacted by Congress to deal with stolen valor.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #90)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:20 AM

313. Yuck, while this guy may be a liar, the site you sent us to is FreeRepublic on water. No thanks.

Welcome to DU

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #313)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:46 AM

324. A lot of the military sites are more...errrrr... freewheeling in that regard.

For that reason I give them a miss. I just don't like seeing a lot of that rightwing commentary.

Do know that not all people who are retired/former/in the military feel that way--not by a long shot. It's just that the people who like to post crap on military message boards with that mindset seem to be over-represented.

The call went forth on that site (not sure who found the guy here, but good sleuthing) to debunk this guy and the users of that site stepped up and did that, so for that we should be appreciative. We don't need people yanking our chain here with bullshit phony stories that read like a badly warped version of a Johnny Cash song.

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Response to MADem (Reply #324)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:44 PM

362. Seeing as my uncle (dad's brother) is a Ret. Lt. Col. for the Air Force, I don't

need to be taught that.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #362)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:13 PM

365. Well, I wasn't teaching, really--just reinforcing an existing reality.

The rightwingers do tend to be more vociferous on the military boards. Their volume doesn't equate to their overall presence. A lot of them did the minimum, if at all, but you'd think they served on the Joint Chiefs, the way they go on...

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Response to mlb47driver (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:32 PM

99. Boatswain, is that you? If it is, multiple accounts is a no-no here.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #118)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:45 AM

125. The fact that anyone...

...actually in the Coast Guard itself has called "Ryan" a fake, shows more about him than any of the actual, Coastguardsmen that "Ryan" attacks.

"Ryan" still cant explain why his made up "shooting" of a "brown man" is not referenced in any USCG maritime LE records nor why he doesn't exist in the USCG officer personnel database.

He was challenged by another member on two separate threads now why his story doesn't compute here: http://www.uscg.mil/history/ops/le/interdiction/docs/1989_LEStats.pdf

"Ryan" can't even give his made up ships name at the time.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #125)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:51 AM

127. Those of us who served in the deep water don't give so much credence to the shallow draft navy...

that said, I haven't been able to find a reference to the event that Ryan talks about. That doesn't make him a liar anymore than you being a shallow drafter makes you inferior to me, a bubble-head. So stow the character assassination and stick to the topic.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #127)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:02 AM

128. Why shouldn't we call out someone who it appears to be a phony?

It should piss off each and every person who ever legitimately wore the uniform of our nation's military, it does me, and so far, it ain't looking good for the OP.

The real Coasties over on Military.com are convinced that he's a phony and they would know.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #128)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:17 AM

130. I am a vet and frankly nothing Ryan's written demeans the uniform I wore. Maybe you guys need a ....

garment unbunching. The topic here is why Darren Wilson seems remarkably cold blooded, not a vigilante demand to see Ryan's DD-214 or commission.. He's done nothing I can see to the Coast Guard. So while I thank you for your service under the Dept of Commerce, you really need to get back to the topic.

Hijacking threads is highly discouraged here. Think on it, meditate on it, pray on it. Go back and reread your title statement: "Why shouldn't we call out someone who it appears to be a phony?" Because unless you know know it, its not calling out, its ganging up and bullying.

Sad I have to point that out to you.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #130)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:22 AM

131. I disagree and these stolen valor types need to be called out each and every time.

Threads get hijacked here on a daily basis and there are very rarely negative consequences for such action, I've been guilty of it myself a few times.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #131)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:34 AM

134. When he shows up in a uniform with decorations and rank he never earned, get back to me.....

this is the US, you don't get punished till you get adjudicated. Even in the Coast Guard.

Are you trying to hijack this one? Just between you me, that is.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #134)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:50 AM

138. Why do you object so strongly to his objection to a questionable story?

That strikes me as very curious, that you're more upset about pointing out an apparent falsehood than about the apparent falsehood itself.

I understand that you don't feel personally or professionally diminished by unsubstantiated claims shown to be at odds with verifiable reality, but why do you feel that no one else should take issue with such claims?

This is especially relevant when the claim has direct bearing on a current post or thread. Far from hijacking the thread, it addresses the very basis for it.

If you're content to accept the claims either as true or as false-but-irrelevant, then that's fine. Others, it seems, are less inclined to let the claimant off the hook so easily.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #128)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:49 PM

152. phony or not

 

wilsonthepig is still a remorseless killer of unarmed human being. What utter obfuscation. Transparent as hell with you and that other one. Same tactic as destroying the credibility of an unarmed black men shot down by racist amerikkkan cops. Same tactic, different day. geez

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #152)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:57 PM

155. Hey, finally, I agree with with you on something.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #152)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:30 PM

157. Do tell me, whats so transparent about me?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #157)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:41 PM

159. I find the distraction

 

of a possible misrepresentation of a person and their background an transparent diversion from the truth of wisonthepig, as stated by the original OP, being a remorseless killer,/murderer/executioner. Period. I like to stay on point, I'm remorseless in that respect.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #159)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:14 PM

163. As do I. As well as suspicions that however well held aren't established facts and are presented...

as confirmed and proven. I am remorseless in that respect. Particularly when they don't impeach the validity of the point: that Darren Wilson seems to have a flat lined emotional response and it could have been from nature of his work and personal foible.

Wilson is a public figure intentionally or otherwise. He gets to be asked uncomfortable questions and have his character questioned. For now Ryan for now is one of us.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #163)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:24 PM

164. "flat lined emotional response"

 

"could have been, seems, yeah okay. He's a confirmed cold blooded killer of an unarmed kid, basically, with suspected racist tendencies, especially given the town, how their policing system treated and treats their minority community and him coming from a very suspect, shut down P.O....anyone that gives wilsonthepig benefit of the doubt.......in my book is..........

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #164)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:59 PM

165. I say flat lined emotional response from my viewing of his interview on network tv, all the rest....

of the stuff, well, I've never said it. I do believe that his story has holes, and that the prosecutor himself admitted there were 'irregularities' with the grand jury, to the point that the Justice Department is investigating. You have your opinions. Why can't Ryan have his? What's your beef with my opinion? Other than we don't agree on something that won't be clear for a while if ever. You've gone after Ryan just as broadly as he's gone after Darren Wilson. The difference is: Darren Wilson is a public figure intentionally or not, and Ryan isn't. Question his conclusions and premises, but the personal stuff, in my opinion, is over the line.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #165)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:07 PM

166. I haven't gone after Ryan

 

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or his statement of wilsonthepig being a remorseless killer. The personal stuff I am reserving ANY judgement on. There are more knowledgeable people on here questioning his story. As I told them, my agreement with Ryan is on the remorseless killer aspect of his OP. Period. That's all that really concerns me about his whole OP. His story if true, can be understood concerning the feelings associated with war and the necessity of killing.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #165)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:09 PM

167. He put himself out there by posting details of his alleged personal life,

it's public record now so if it's smells like excrement, then going after him is not over the line.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #128)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:49 PM

171. Hijack threads much?

Sure have here…

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #171)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:51 PM

172. I'll put you down in the "I don't care if someone is impersonating a Military Officer" catagory.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #172)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:57 PM

176. Like I said….

Do you like to follow a thread subject, or are you more of an Ad Hominem type?

I'll put you down in the "I'm more of a fan of attacking the person" category.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #176)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:59 PM

178. When a person is proven to have lied in such a way as to deceive an entire community..

 

does that person not rightfully deserve to have their credibility attacked??

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Response to _Blue_ (Reply #178)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:10 PM

188. The person has proven no such thing...

I, however, think you believe he has. I can't control what you think, but good luck with you thinking you can convince me to agree with what you cause others of.

If you want to manipulate something, go turn a door nob. I'm no door nob, blue.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #188)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:25 PM

194. Actually he has been proven a liar.

 

Aside from all the many inconsistencies in his stories pointed out in this thread and the thread about this on military.com, there is actually a link to the coast guard stats covering the time period in which he claims to have killed a man and participated in the killing of another.

Here is that link:

http://www.uscg.mil/history/ops/le/interdiction/docs/1989_LEStats.pdf

Page 16 of the report shows that there were ZERO casualties in 1988 as a result of a coast guard operation. This poster claims to have killed a man in 1988 and participated in the killing of another man at the same time.

If you don't take this as proof, I don't know what more to tell you, other than to enjoy being had.

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Response to _Blue_ (Reply #194)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:28 PM

197. Tell you what, blue...

I've been had by better….

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #197)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:30 PM

201. I'm not sure why facts are so scary.

 

He says he killed a man working for the CG in 1988. The stats show no one was killed by the CG in 1988. No one was killed by the CG in 1987, either, for that matter.

The information is there for you to look at if you so choose. Or you can just continue to believe someone who has been proven to be lying in order to manipulate our community.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #176)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:03 PM

184. I'm question his bona fides because of the compelling evidence presented by

others that call into question his story.
Wouldn't you like to know the truth also? Doesn't it give you pause that possibly his story of killing a person of color may be false?
Doesn't it bother that he's possibly committing a stolen valor offense?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #127)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:41 AM

136. I'm a Navy vet and I find you amusing.

 

You demean the Coast Guard, while lecturing about character assassination, yet you have no problem with a probable liar assassinating the character of a police officer.

I sure as shit don't care about Wilson, but DU doesn't need to be deceived with a bs story about the Coast Guard. Our opinions of Wilson will be the same with, or without, this story.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #136)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:57 AM

142. Who demeaned a coastie?????????????????????? Not me.....

I find you too full umbrage for facts not established.

The topic here is not Ryan, the topic here is Darren Wilson. Ryan may or may not be what he says. So what? It bears on the character of Darren Wilson not a twit. Darren Wilson's foibles have been popping up and frankly I think he should be a convicted felon or in the process of becoming one. That's opinion, not character assassination.

What you guys are doing to Ryan is character assassination at worst and deflecting the topic from Darren Wilson who is a public figure by his own actions justified or not. Ryan is a member here and character assassination of members is highly frowned upon.

And since when have we ever required personal information to bared on the demand of anybody else here? Would you post your documents here or expose your real name? Do we need his birth certificate to prove his name, too?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #142)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:22 PM

145. Actually, you did. Twice, by my count.

In Reply #130:
So while I thank you for your service under the Dept of Commerce,
This feeds into the common smear that the Coast Guard isn't "real" military service. You must have been aware of this, or else why would you have made a specific point of mentioning the Department of Commerce in this way. This is obvious even to a non-veteran.

and again in Reply #134:
this is the US, you don't get punished till you get adjudicated. Even in the Coast Guard.
The clear implication is that the Coast Guard is less serious about due process than the United States in general. Perhaps you meant this as a good-natured jest, but in the context of the thread (and considering the overall arc of your posts), it doesn't come across that way.


Again, why are you more irritated that someone is questioning a dubious story put forth as fact than you are about the dubious story itself?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #142)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:53 PM

147. You insult the Navy and then expect ex-Navy to play nice?

 

Strange way to make friends. I have no idea who is telling the truth here, but there was no need for a rude comment toward the Navy. Why don't you go take it up with the military.com site, they seem to think the guy is a fake.

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Response to Rex (Reply #147)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:38 PM

151. I'm ex-Navy, chief. I'm an ex-bubblehead, too. Check yourself....

I don't know the truth about Ryan's service any more than I do about yours or you know about Ryan's or mine.

You've made your beef, now get off it.

Next you'll be looking for the birth certificate....................

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Response to pintobean (Reply #136)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:55 PM

154. Liars tell the truth

 

sometimes. Wilsonthepig is a murderer/killer/executioner who did his dirty work while hiding behind a badge. I really don't give a damn whether he's bonified CG or not. He still spoke the truth about wilsonthepig.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #154)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:07 PM

156. Yes, he is telling the truth about Wilson,

but doesn't it bother you, as a vet, and a combat vet to boot, that this guy is probably lying about being an officer in the Coast Guard?
The info by the Coasties at Military.com are positive that this guy is a poser.
It sure as hell disturbs me that this guy may be a phony.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #156)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:31 PM

158. well

 

Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:39 PM - Edit history (2)

my feelings about misrepresenting oneself remains firm. One should not. And as time and the thread went along, it seems with the 'proof' given, that misrepresentation of ones bonifieds MAY be the case here. Yet, even IF that is the case, this individual knows the difference between law enforcement and murder. I'll worry about misrepresentation further on when concrete proof is known. That CG interdiction link is telling....yet not concrete.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #158)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:32 AM

282. I think it's not unreasonable to wonder if the purpose of misrepresentation might be

nefarious in nature, along the lines of "Look at those fools over at DU, see how I can tell them a story spun from whole cloth, and see how GULLIBLE they are!"

It's not like we've never seen anyone pull that kind of stunt here before, after all.

No one needs to make up a fake story to let me know that what "Officer" (I won't use the title I think he deserves) Wilson did was wrong. And inventing a clearly fake, easily refuted tale cheapens the REAL story, which is, simply, that a teenaged young man, unarmed, was shot multiple times, unnecessarily, on his street, surrounded by his neighbors, and his corpse was left on display for HOURS while his blood ran down the middle of the road.

That's more than enough horror for me. I don't need fake stories about phony three-year ensigns with CO's who have "killed twice" shooting "persons of color" on the "high seas" to drive home a point that Wilson's conduct was reprehensible and he should have been called to account for it.

This OP doesn't pass even a rudimentary smell test. Anyone with any time in any of the sea services knows this.

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Response to MADem (Reply #282)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 02:49 PM

412. Yep

 

took a few days off. Afraid I did lose focus. And someone showed me the avatar of this individual. Swastika. Oh well, never said I couldn't be gullible. Seems his 'detractors' knew early on. Sometimes, I can and will be wrong. No doubt about. Thanks..

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #412)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:42 PM

414. A most wondrous post!

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #156)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:04 PM

161. well

 

my feelings about misrepresenting oneself remains firm. One should not. And as time and the thread went along, it seems with the 'proof' given, that misrepresentation of ones bonifieds may be the case here. Yet, even IF that is the case, this individual knows the difference between law enforcement and murder. I'll worry about misrepresentation further on when concrete proof is known. That CG interdiction link is telling....

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #154)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:12 PM

162. Lol. Fake, but accurate.

 

Anybody can say Wilson has no remorse. Using a bs stolen valor story for fake credibility is as low as it gets.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #162)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:38 PM

202. Anybody can say it, true

 

but a lot haven't here and a lot have defended wilsonthepig here. His story he stands by and who am I to judge when the the distracting/diversion tactic is so artfully used here consistently by so many? BS? Fake? Who made you the 'expert'?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #202)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:50 AM

337. Your hero sank

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=319587

It was probably a bad idea to have a swastika avatar in a paper boat.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #337)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 02:44 PM

411. I would think

 

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Response to Boatswain2PA (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:32 PM

85. Apparently he would rather censor BMCS' posts than accept an offer to set the record straight

...because he could put this to rest easily. He hasn't though.

Meanwhile actual Coasties are apparently not very happy with his Stolen Valor scheme: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/1860094613001

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:46 PM

91. Well for his sake I hope he is truthful, Congress just recently passed laws against stolen valor

 

by making it a federal crime. Read that a few months ago in a VFW magazine.

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Response to Rex (Reply #91)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:51 PM

93. True...

...but the key is "Ryan" would have to have gained a financial,benefit from presenting himself as something he isn't. Unsure if concocting a story here on DU meets the criteria.

The fact that "Ryan" didn't email The Senior Chief Boatswains Mate to set the record straight and instead sought to censor a Careeer Coast Guardsman's posts here shows more about "Ryan" than anything the Senior Chief posted in exposing "Ryan's" story as a forgery.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:56 PM

94. True it would depend on if he walks around in RL in a uniform

 

and presents himself that way. People can say anything on the WWW in a forum.

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Response to Rex (Reply #94)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:09 PM

97. I have never understood these kind of guys...

...as they are never content with impersonating ordinary servicemen/women. The fakes are always pretend SEALs, Rangers, Green berets! Coast Guard Law Enforcement 'officers' (sic), etc. Most like the OP impersonate flamboyantly and poorly. And when they get caught red handed, are enough of a sociopath personality to try and accuse those whose valor they stole of being the ethically challenged ones.

Sad really.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #97)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:59 PM

100. That's a fair assessment however

one must consider how easy it seems to the lier or the habitual lier getting it over on unsuspecting persons or victims.
I think the key to understanding something about the type of individual in mention or the (alleged) not to seem rude,-is to take
into account there is no logic as to the question of what makes them do what they do which is habitually lie.

Here is what I can tell you, the military discharges habitual liars because there is no cure and they cannot stop and will not stop with those lies. If that tells you anything.

Maybe it has to do with a insatiable desire to command attention -to command.






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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #100)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:10 PM

101. I agree

...for all we know the OP really believes what he says is true, thus why when confronted with obvious facts that show his story to be...let's say...stretching the truth, his reaction is to keep up the charade even when it is obvious nobody in the Coast Guard which he claims to be a member of believes him.

We used to discharge many for similar behavior flaws that we called an "adjustment disorder".

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #101)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:27 PM

102. Ajustment disorder ,indeed

On this one I think Ryan figured this thread was over and down off the grid since it was started on the 22 of Dec.
If that tells you anything. It carried on in a discussion to the 23rd.

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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #102)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:35 PM

103. He started a new one...

...here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12569628

Note, he tacitly accepts the fact that he does not exist in the CG officer personnel database, tries to deflect accusing other Coasties as all being the same person.

Meanwhile, like I linked a improve on this thread, he is the topic of discussion on the military.com Coast Guard discussion boards. They don't appear to be buying his story either.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #103)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:48 PM

107. Well, this is something isn't it ?

They like to taunt -, if that tells you anything.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:41 AM

117. Appreciate you

...coming over and setting the record straight.

People like "Ryan" might think they can get away with misrepresenting their background, but eventually the truth always catches up with them.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:52 AM

71. I have suspected from the beginning that Wilson is a psychopath.

He seems to have a soullessness in his eyes that is common with psychopaths, half con-man, half Charles Manson.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:37 PM

104. I cringed when I saw a clip from the Geraldo interview

I can't remember exactly how he phrased it, but he didn't say "I did the right thing, but I wish that the situation hadn't occurred altogether."
Your response makes sense to me. The idea that someone can not lose sleep or at least feel like the entire thing was terribly regrettable is something I can not fathom.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:02 AM

109. . Here's a link to the official Coast Guard digest of interdiction statistics...

and covers that time period. (PDF file)

http://www.uscg.mil/history/ops/le/interdiction/docs/1989_LEStats.pdf

page 16 covers use of force in drug interdiction and I see nothing like the incident you described.

Can you explain this?

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #109)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:45 AM

119. No he can't

...he has ignored you now on two separate threads for the same reason he cannot explain why he doesn't exist in the USCG officer personnel database.

He is ignoring you hoping you wont push the matter the same way he is trying to ignore him getting caught lying by a couple of enlisted guys about being an active duty Coast Guard LCDR.

Everyone knows officers don't do any real work anyway.

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #119)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:08 AM

129. Maybe his mission was super-duper top secret and stuff

Same with this boat, the USS REDACTED.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #129)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:33 AM

133. That is the usual excuse...

...for the stolen valor phonies. "My records are classified", "there was a fire at the HQ and all my records were lost", "my ex-wife threw out all my stuff", "the dog ate my records", etc.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/1860094613001/p/1

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #133)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:36 AM

135. THIS REPLY IS CLASSIFIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF CLASSIFIED CLASSIFICATIONS

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Response to Orrex (Reply #135)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:54 AM

140. ROTFLMAO!

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Response to PissedOffCoastie (Reply #133)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:41 AM

137. Just for the record, I believe at this point in time, he's a phony,

but if he wants to clear it up, I'll be more than willing to listen to his explaination.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #137)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:51 AM

139. That's a good point to make

I don't believe that anyone has asserted that his claim can't be true. They've simply pointed out that it is inconsistent and incompatible with information that has already been shown to be true.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #137)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:56 AM

141. He'll have to start a new thread to do that

 

He's been locked out of this one.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #141)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:58 AM

143. Well, I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. eom.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #141)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:59 PM

363. Jury results on Ryan's hidden post (below)

 

if anyone cares.

On Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:29 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

There's One Thing I WOULD Like To Thank The Troll For
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6012395

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

A bunch of Coast Guard folks got wind of his bullshit story, and this 10 day member has the nerve to call THEM trolls. Please hide this personal attack and stop the lies and insults.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:43 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Stolen Valor Troll got caught!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: nah
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: go back to your xbox
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Welcome back, Adam.

Thank you.


I hope I don't get called our for another copy and paste.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #129)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:57 PM

212. your killing me

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:43 AM

124. You were an Ensign in the Coast Guard, and this is how you write?

I don't think so.

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Response to SlimJimmy (Reply #124)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:58 PM

255. Apparently, during the Reagan buildup of a Six Hundred Ship Navy, at a time when the USCG was

engaging in drug interdiction law enforcement actions with the USN, this guy couldn't manage to get promoted to j.g. in three years' time...

Anyone who knows anything about promotion flow knows full well that something stinks on ice right there.

Anyone who knows anything about promotion flow knows how long it takes to make 0-4, too (big hint--it's a lot faster than this guy's supposed career path). Further, this story doesn't take into consideration "up or out" constraints that have been part and parcel of uniformed life for, well, pretty much forever.

This is some kind of horrible, unfunny joke, or the product of a fevered and narcissistic imagination. This did not happen, and I think the whole charade of this thread has gone on for far too long--I'd urge people to withdraw their "recs" for this piece of junk, because that's what it is--absolute junk. To put it kindly.

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Response to MADem (Reply #255)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:45 AM

422. You nailed this one. I couldn't agree more.

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Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:02 PM

144. "Ryan" was not banking on...

...actual Coasties reading his "shooting a dripug smuggler" tripe, much the less realizing that his made up profile (even his claim to be an active duty LCDR with almost thirty years of service) could be easily verified as inconsistent with Coast Guard personnel management policies.

On the surface we all want to trust what an active duty service member claims, especially so a commissioned officer. Perhaps this is why "Ryan" knowing this, decided to take advantage of it when he created his phony persona. If he had claimed to be a Captain/O-6 or even a RDML, at least then his rank for an officer with that much time in the Coast Guard would have made some sense and he wouldn't have drawn so much attention.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #132)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:47 PM

146. did Darren Wilson show any remorse for his killing a teen? It seems all you Coasties are less

concerned with that question that you should be. So please tell us your thoughts on that.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #146)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:54 PM

148. Nope, he didn't,

which says to me that he has no soul.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #146)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:00 PM

149. None, zip, ziltch. He showed that he did not care about taking a life.

 

Despite all the thread hijacking, the point here is that Wilson did NOT show any signs of empathy toward his victim. Instead, he treated it like it was a route call. Just doing his job.

SO to all the apparently new people in this thread, let us get back to the subject at hand. Did Wilson show any remorse or not?

It will be interesting to see if the newbies reply to the subject or not.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:02 PM

150. I think he said that to protect himself from liability.

By saying he could have done this differently or would have done that differently, he just opens himself up to a massive lawsuit.

According to reports, Wilson had never drawn his weapon before this incident. I still find it difficult to believe that he woke up that day and just decided "i'm gonna kill me a black dude today."

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:51 PM

153. you're right

 

wilsonthepig is a remorseless killer/murderer/executioner as are many who hide behind a badge or 'neighborhood watch' banner.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:49 PM

160. Well, Ok, so what the thread is about according to the title.

Setting aside the first 60 or so post most of which are all about Ryan on the 22nd through to the 23rd. Dec. Than a pause in it ,picking back up again on the 26th according to date time on DU.

DU as you know has very cool knowledgeable people some of which are professionals such as attorney's and other such professions many of whom at times offer considerable insight into circumstances which come into happening through current events.

But not in the field of question here as to Darin Wilson's lack of remorse as seen on TV. Now, here I will take the leap and bring in the case of Susan Smith who did indeed appear to be a sociopath -a lier and terrible at passing those lies off over the television
air waves. That case is actually a case reference at that time unique because for the first time on national/international television
what was well known in the field of television journalism became clear to view to the average eye of the television audience.
You see,Susan Smith in her head as she spoke thought she was putting her fabricated story out there believably.Through her mouth she was saying one thing and her body language and facial features were speaking something entirely different.In fact even her words were laced with tell tale signs,red flags they call that in a specific field of profession.

If you have ever belonged to a drama club you would know exactly what I am getting at. Or even the glee club back at your old school.Actors you see are trained or taught to act in front of the camera,being photogenic isn't all there is to it.You see even an actor who is inexperienced acting in front of the camera,example, stage actor crossing over to the big screen or television ,can and will at times come across in the exact opposite of what and whatever it is they are attempting to portray in character.Therefore in order to make the crossover in what will or would seem to be a smooth transition ,there is a learning or relearning process involved.

Now, television journalist for a very long time have been completely aware of what the camera can and will show and in particular about truthfulness regarding he or she who is being interviewed. Investigative reporting in many cases is actually shared with police agencies before it is aired because of what can and sometimes does show in through the lens unbeknown
to he or she who has been interviewed. What comes out.

Well, given this surely you know Darin Wilson was prepped by his legal team and the topic here I am on has much to do with the preparation procedure,PR plan and all that legal stuff. You didn't detect any remorse because he was instructed and prepped not to show anything.Because anything you say through show can and may very well be used against you in a court of law.

Does that include the court of public opinion ?
I think not but in the case of Susan Smith,those of the public that saw her as she was seen on TV knew exactly what they saw and further came to know the law saw it too in just the same way. Again it is a unique case.A landmark case. But out of that the cat as they say is out of the bag or the secret about what the camera shows is no longer a secret.

Dare I say there is more to this than meets the eye ?
As far as pronouncing guilt or passing judgment ,that is for the courts to decide. As to Darin Wilson's condition-is he or isn't he a psychopath or sociopath -,to date I haven't seen anything in print by professionals in the field to support those allegations.

Which means I cannot say if he is or isn't. What I can say is a young life was lost and thats a tragedy . And having taken a life is something Darin Wilson will have to live with for the rest of his life.

Life as Darin Wilson knew it is over ,his career in law enforcement is over. But of course I cannot offer evidence to support that of an opinion.





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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:31 PM

168. The "point" got lost in the "story."

Plus, don't get why it's ok for somebody locked out of a thread to drop back in the OP and editorialize.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:40 PM

169. Well… before it become "off topic", I'll K&R what you intend with OP

As far as the trolls… they have introduced themselves well. See what motivates some people to join DU? I sure do.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #169)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:55 PM

174. So those of us that are questioning his bona fides because there seems to be

some compelling evidence that he's not who he says he is are trolls? Really?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #174)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:00 PM

182. Excuse me for a second...

Have you confused me as someone who called you a troll? I'm sure I didn't do that. I see others have. I just think you have pretty bad logic and attack the OP to distract from any points of the thread.

I'm telling you, the logical fallacies here should be an example in a classroom.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #182)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:08 PM

186. I haven't distracted from anything, I already expressed my opinion

that, yes, Wilson has no soul for feeling no remorse.
I have a problem with someone possibly passing themselves off as a veteran military member with a story that now seems improbable, it's a slap at those of us that, you know, actually served.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #186)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:12 PM

189. But, you don't know that at all… yet it really convinces you… weird...

You insist the OP isn't who they say they are, when in fact, what they are saying is the subject of remorse. You somehow keep insisting that this is the thread now.

I wondered before if you highjacked threads much. I've answered my own question on that.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #189)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:19 PM

191. I'm flabbergasted that you're attacking me only when I'm not the one that actually

started to question his story, why is that?
And if you read the links provided by true Coasties, there is some pretty compelling reasons to doubt he's who he says he is and that his story just doesn't pass the smell test.
Maybe you should read those links and then decide whether or not he's the real deal.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #191)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:21 PM

192. GGJohn, you know I'm not saying anything wrong to you… just being honest...

If you don't like it, the ignore button is your thread.

Meanwhile, not highjacking threads is also a good idea, too.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #192)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:24 PM

193. You are under the impression that I hijacked the thread?

You're wrong, I'm not the one that initially questioned the credibility of his story, there were 3-4 others that were doing that before I joined in, why aren't you chastising them?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #193)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:26 PM

195. This is getting silly...

Read for yourself. It's not all about you.

Bye, now…

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #182)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:55 AM

424. No. The man was a "poser." That's all anyone really needs to know.

Stolen valor is not something to be taken lightly.

you have pretty bad logic and attack the OP to distract from any points of the thread.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:54 PM

173. k & r ! n/t

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:56 PM

175. Unfortunately you started a shit storm

and knowing DU members, expressing killing another human being on here is going to rile people up regardless of what your intentions are because this place is against people who take advantage of the weak.

You will have to own this one, I hope Skinner leaves it so we can all learn from this.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #175)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:59 PM

179. That, and the fact that his story doesn't seem to jibe with the facts

presented by other Coast Guard service members.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #175)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:00 PM

181. Especially when its been proven that he lied about it.

 

He MADE UP a story about killing someone to make a point. That's pretty low.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:57 PM

177. You are not handling this well.

 

It is not a good idea to try to make up your own rules here. If you posted a thread, and you want it gone, self delete it. Do not depend on admin to delete your threads.

If you posted something and people doubt your honesty, trying to get people banned or have admin lock it because you feel like you are being 'trolled' makes it seem like you have something to hide.
Either provide some proof or self delete. There should be no reason why you get special accommodations.

If you really are in Alaska, then you know this place is the smallest largest state. Something happens in Juneau, they hear about it in Talkeetna. So, if people stationed in Juneau have not heard of you, I can understand the doubt. I hear about shootings in the Bush, and i'm in Anchorage. Show 'em or fold 'em.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #177)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:49 PM

210. Gotta agree.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:03 PM

185. Pointing out the glaring inconsistencies of your story is not trolling.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:29 PM

198. what you said is relevant

 

and timely. Do not let the people on here who are creating distraction from your salient point concerning, killing, human feelings associated with killing and the lack of remorse from the executioner, wilsonthepig. It's a tactic of a lot of people here use to create a controversy on one point in an OP to take the focus off a point that is conspicuously true and they disagree with. It's a fine art honed over many generations of denial of the ugliness that is this country perpetrates on minorities. Hang in there, it's typical behavior. I've been watching it since zimpig murdered Travon Martin. A LOT of people on here have supported wilsonthepig and zimpig. No need to delete methinks.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #198)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:37 AM

352. He created a fantasy to manipulate the gullible.

What sort of sick soul fabricates fantasy stories of killing people -- and depicting them as people of color to boot -- in order to invoke a sense of moral superiority?

That is what is happening here. It's not about Wilson because anyone could have made note of Wilson's lack of remorse -- no need to make-up stories about, "because I once did the same thing." Plenty of people decry the unjustified use of force by the police and the toll it is taking on minority communities without ever having the need to have served in uniform, myself included.

The entire This-Is-What-I-Did line is extraneous and as such it is designed to do one thing and one thing only: Make the OP appear to be the moral superior. He can't say, "This is how a normal person would feel about killing because this is how I felt." because he never felt anything because he never killed anyone because he never served.

He's not a voice for justice, he's a self-serving fraud who uses BS stories about killing minorities to pump himself up.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #352)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:30 AM

355. +1000.

Myself and catnhatnh actually got a shout out over at Military.com for our comments here.

Thank you actual Coast Guard members for coming here and exposing this fraud.
Keep up the vital work of keeping our coastlines and boaters safe.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #355)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:09 PM

364. and forums

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #352)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 02:42 PM

410. never said

 

I couldn't be gullible.....makes sense.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #410)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:56 PM

416. Meh!!!

It happens to all of us at one time or the other, however, you, unlike some others, are willing to admit it, that, in my eyes, makes you a stand up guy.
Have a great weekend.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #416)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 09:13 AM

419. Hope the New Year

 

is a good one for you. This country? I don't think so. But miracles do happen. The 47% repub base wakes up, turns off fox snooze and want to start repairing, with the others who ARE thinking, what's wrong with this country and the world, really. Inequality of all types.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:30 PM

199. Some valid critiques of your story were presented

That is not trolling. What really convinced me of their argument was your responses, and your absurd idea that the admins are going to save you from embarrassment only further contributes to that impression.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:42 PM

204. Skinner please do not delete this.

 

Let it stand! If the poster wants it gone he can self delete.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #204)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:47 PM

207. See my post #205

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #207)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:49 PM

208. i agree with you he won't lock it.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #208)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:52 PM

211. He won't, but as I stated, this is turning a bit disruptive.

Hosts (As you know) lock or leave based on the OP, and the OP alone.

OP's can change, the SOP does not.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:43 PM

205. Skinner most likely isn't going to do that. You should take a look at the GD SOP.

Unless you are violating the SOP of GD, the hosts are not going to either.

SOP for GD:
Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002

Also for more clarification: What can and cannot be posted in the General Discussion forum

In particular:

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.


That said, Disruptive Meta will get a lock for an OP (original Post). You might want to stop changing your original post. It's starting to look a little disruptive.

Just trying to help.

Raine.



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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:45 PM

206. For posterity...

QUOTING OP...

QUOTE"Because, due to trollish behavior, it really has become off-topic. (You'll note that at least two of those accounts have been banned.) And one of the biggest mistakes President Obama has ever made, not that there have been a lot, was giving in to Ubertroll Donnie and releasing his long-form birth certificate, which then only led to further demands by Trump. So, if you're looking for documentation, no doubt followed by fingerprints, blood samples, semen samples, etc., you're shit outta luck. I stand by every statement I have made in this thread, and wish to thank everyone here who has supported me, and who actually don't believe that this website should emulate the NSA.


PS: If the thread remains unlocked tomorrow, I shall delete it myself.


In 1988, I killed a man of color in the process of enforcing American law. An ensign in the Coast Guard, we were doing drug interdiction mostly. Some of the smugglers would runs, but, once we had them cornered, once they saw that our guns were drawn, they surrendered. Except for one time.

It was a small boat from Panama. Two men, both Hispanic, on board. We intercepted, they stopped their vessel immediately, but then decided to fight. (To this day, I can't fathom why: The cocaine they were transporting had an '88 street value of less than $60,000: Chump change!)

My CO ordeed myself and another man to "show," which was his code for going to the side of our ship with weapons visible. In this one case, the smugglers opened fire, one man's bullet missing my head by more than a foot, whereupon I shot him twice in the chest. My CO did the same to the other smuggler. They both dies shortly thereafter.

Here's the thing: I felt remorse. I lost sleep for a couple of weeks, even though the brass investigated and, in the parlance of TV cop shows, deemed it "a clean shoot."

Eventually, I expressed this to my CO, whom I knew had killed twice before. To my surprise, he told me that he, too, had felt regret about the actions we had taken that day. He said to me, "Son, you're not SUPPOSED to feel good about it."

And this brings me back to my headline: Darren Wilson has expressed not one iota of sorrow over his killing of a young man who didn't even have a weapon! He says he has slept soundly, no regrets, the whole "if I had to do it again" bullshit.

To me, this is evidence of psycopathy., and I hope Mr. Wilson never again has a job in any sector of law enforcement, though I strongly suspect that such hope will be dashed, if it hasn't already." UNQUOTE

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #206)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:49 PM

209. Thanks.

 

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #206)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:30 PM

222. Does the USCG have petards?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #222)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:52 PM

231. Good one! nt

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #206)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:31 PM

225. Thanks! its too classic to lose...nt

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #206)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:28 PM

381. epic

almost, but not quite Oscar level epic.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:59 PM

213. I urge you to self-delete right away. Skinner is not your lacky to be told what to do.


if you want this locked, you can hit the self-delete buttons.

If you want your OP to be visible, cut and paste it into a reply to yourself and then self-delete the OP. The words of your OP will remain as the last reply.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #213)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:13 PM

214. Many spelling and grammatical errors in the OP too.

I know we all do that, but for an OP?

Surely, a person of his rank would proofread?

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:15 PM

215. Well, this sure went sideways.

I'm kinda wondering whether anything in the OP actually happened. A bunch of new users who seem to actually be from the CG sure don't think so. That military.com forum someone linked to looks to be crawling with right-wingers, but that doesn't automatically mean that the objections raised are invalid.

Maybe the OP decided to change some details in order to preserve anonymity. Like maybe it wasn't actually 1988, the boat wasn't from Panama, etc. Who knows.

The thing is, raising well-documented objections to the story of the OP isn't trolling. The tone of some of the objections might be troll-ish, but not all of them. The OPs decision to cut and run instead of defending the story doesn't do much for the credibility.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:16 PM

216. Classic thread....



Jesus

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #216)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:26 PM

217. I know, right!

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #217)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:27 PM

218. Mega Lulz



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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #218)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:29 PM

221. I feel like someone

has stolen MY valor.

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #221)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:30 PM

223. Don't miss the companion thread, posted upstream...

Those guys and gals are not mincing words and are pretty funny.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/1860094613001

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #223)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:32 PM

226. Thank you sir,

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #216)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:29 PM

219. Too bad the OP got locked out. What could have been...

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #216)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:31 PM

224. WE NEVER SHOULDA BOMBED THE MOON, I TELLS YA

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #216)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:18 PM

267. Coast Guard Fight!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:29 PM

220. So just delete the damned thing already.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:40 PM

227. The personal anecdote is not analogous with Wilson/Fergueson - and not needed to support...

 

...the assertions in your last two paragraphs.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:43 PM

228. I Inherited a Mixed Animal From Coast Guard Lieutenant Commander Living in Woods.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #228)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:49 PM

230. What a coincidence

The OP author has been nominated for an Oscar.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #230)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:03 PM

240. In the documentary category, no doubt.

Don't forget, a lot of people didn't think the animal story was true either, until incontrovertible notarized and authenticated dna, genealogical, x-ray, and subcellular data was posted, not to mention a letter to the editor in Amateur Alt-Wildlife Manufacturing Science.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #228)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:58 PM

262. ...



this thread IS kind of classic-like, I may need to bookmark it

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #228)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 09:20 AM

346. You, Sir, are the proud winner of the Internet.

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #228)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:32 PM

382. ultra epic!

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #228)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 03:18 PM

413. After finally reading thru this whole thread, I nominate your post...

as the best ever DUzy of 2014.

I smirked and chuckled as I made my way throughout the twists and turns of this classic DU saga, but I cannot begin to describe the laughter, no, the absolute hilarity which ensued when I came upon your comment.

I thank you for crowning this entire thing with the perfect DU-nostalgia. A Happy 2015 to you, A-Schwarzenegger!

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Response to countryjake (Reply #413)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:44 PM

415. !

thanks, country, Happy '15 to you, too...

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:46 PM

229. Was it the Good Ship Lollypop?

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Response to benz380 (Reply #229)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:23 PM

248. Looks more like it is now the Titanic.

 

Also, snapping your fingers at Skinner usually is a losing proposition. Who could have guessed that military.com was reading along? Probably now the poor fella feels like the USS Heartburn.



My kingdom for a tums.

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Response to Rex (Reply #248)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:50 PM

253. Or the Minnow!

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #253)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:54 PM

254. Ensign to LCDR on a 3-hour tour

Impressive!

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #254)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:59 PM

256. Fast promotion...or something.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #253)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:04 PM

257. You think this will rank up there with 'bombing the moon'?

 

He had me roped in, drama, high seas - epic gun fighting - a hero emerges - then those party poopers from military.com got involved. Who are they again anyway? Is that a cosplay site? Why do I not see 'shiver me tempers' and 'poop deck' jokes in every thread? Does the military know about this?

Oh.

Did I tell you that in a former life I was Blackbeard? I shit you not. Some days I would dream of getting promoted to Head Scallywag.

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Response to Rex (Reply #257)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:11 PM

259. It'll be up there with that one!

This thread is starting to remind me of Mutiny on the Bounty. But, we do need a good laugh now and then.

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Response to Rex (Reply #257)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:14 AM

328. The Malkovich Blackbeard? Now THAT was an interesting character construct!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #328)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:26 PM

359. I read he was going to be Blackbeard and wondered how that turned out.

 

Guess who is going to be Blackbeard in the new Pan movie (yep, not Hook...Blackbeard, Hook is a good guy this time around) Hugh Jackman! I kid you not they are remaking Pan and Wolverine...er...Blackbeard is the villain.

That clip looks interesting, might have to check out Being Edward Teach!

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Response to Rex (Reply #359)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:24 PM

380. I enjoyed the series--it was a summer replacement programme.

I found Malkovich's portrayal rather captivating, in a lizard-like way!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:54 PM

232. This is now one of the all time great DU threads!

Thanks!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #232)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:56 PM

235. hehe

 

?w=584

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Response to zappaman (Reply #232)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:58 PM

236. One could easily fertilze twenty acres with this thing!

I'm astounded that anyone would buy what's on offer, here.

You don't have to be a military expert, or a careerist, or even have much if any connection with the Services to catch a whiff of that which is piled higher and deeper.

It's a shame, but this kind of nonsense doesn't do DU any favors.

I really hope the admins step in and take care of business.

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Response to MADem (Reply #236)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:04 PM

241. Interesting interactions at the top before this went off the rails.

Sometimes I get the feeling some posters are talking from their desktop to their phones with two different personas..

Strange really..

Mahalo,



Jesus

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #241)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:13 PM

245. Nothing would surprise me and I would guess that you might well be right.

This is probably the biggest crock I've seen on this website in a long, long time.

It's a huge joke for some, I guess, but it's not nice to jerk people's chains over serious matters like police overreach and the unnecessary deaths of American citizens owing to the inability of these police to use measured responses instead of going first for the guns and choking and other types of violence. Making up military stories doesn't cut it. It's sick.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #232)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:00 PM

238. We must be entertained!

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:00 PM

237. I 'sea' you got 'loched' out for going overboard. Ship happens.

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Response to benz380 (Reply #237)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:58 PM

263. *groooooan* n/t

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:01 PM

239. Far out.




That's the ticket.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:04 PM

242. Darren Wilson should be Dick Cheney's cell mate.

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:13 PM

244. Cool story, Gilligan. Tell Maryann she's hotter than Ginger. nt

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 09:24 PM

249. That's not how you make a request to an admin

The correct phrasing is "Skinner, lock it right the fuck now".

I don't know why you'd want to do that anyway. This thread has everything. Intrigue, stalking, sockpuppets, trolls, wise ass remarks. That's pretty impressive drama for a topic started by someone with less than 150 posts.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:51 PM

260. I Smell BS. As a Navy vet. And reading the measured responses from the real coasties.

 

Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:38 PM - Edit history (2)

All I can say is what a load of shit this story is.

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:56 PM

261. And now you double down?


You should delete this train wreck yourself, because I don't think skinner is going to do it for you.
Gotta wonder why you're waiting for skinner when you can do it yourself.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #261)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:28 PM

270. Yeah, but before he deletes it--if he ever does (if I were him I'd head for the exit and keep going)

it really should be saved for posterity, just so anyone coming across the post in the archives will understand the context. This is the original post:

Original version with no edits.
0. Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
In 1988, I killed a man of color in the process of enforcing American law. An ensign in the Coast Guard, we were doing drug interdiction mostly. Some of the smugglers would runs, but, once we had them cornered, once they saw that our guns were drawn, they surrendered. Except for one time.

It was a small boat from Panama. Two men, both Hispanic, on board. We intercepted, they stopped their vessel immediately, but then decided to fight. (To this day, I can't fathom why: The cocaine they were transporting had an '88 street value of less than $60,000: Chump change!)

My CO ordeed myself and another man to "show," which was his code for going to the side of our ship with weapons visible. In this one case, the smugglers opened fire, one man's bullet missing my head by more than a foot, whereupon I shot him twice in the chest. My CO did the same to the other smuggler. They both dies shortly thereafter.

Here's the thing: I felt remorse. I lost sleep for a couple of weeks, even though the brass investigated and, in the parlance of TV cop shows, deemed it "a clean shoot."

Eventually, I expressed this to my CO, whom I knew had killed twice before. To my surprise, he told me that he, too, had felt regret about the actions we had taken that day. He said to me, "Son, you're not SUPPOSED to feel good about it."

And this brings me back to my headline: Darren Wilson has expressed not one iota of sorrow over his killing of a young man who didn't even have a weapon! He says he has slept soundly, no regrets, the whole "if I had to do it again" bullshit.

To me, this is evidence of psycopathy., and I hope Mr. Wilson never again has a job in any sector of law enforcement, though I strongly suspect that such hope will be dashed, if it hasn't already.


For the life of me I don't understand why someone would use a national tragedy like the homicide of Michael Brown at the hands of Police Officer Wilson as a backdrop for a great big honking work of bad fiction like this OP.

I'm astounded, too, how many people just bought this little tale and then got angry with other people who simply tried to point out the glaring, obvious, HONKING discrepancies in this little fantasy.

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Response to MADem (Reply #270)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:38 PM

274. I fell for it at first also,

but I began to have doubts when he didn't even know that the CG had been deployed to Iraq, something that someone of his alleged rank should have been very familiar with.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #274)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:02 AM

276. Three years as an ensign was what first raised the stink flag with me.

During Reagan's build-up, ensigns (and 2nd LTs in other branches) were being frocked to j.g. with 14 months in, so eager were they to fill expanding billet requirements. And even an incompetent git got promoted at the two year mark.

Then, the whole 30 year career BS...I mean, come on--it's up-or-out and it has been for a long, long time. Even assuming that he got three looks at every promotion point (and those three looks swiftly degraded to two, and it was a rare soul who made it past that first failed look) he still would have been long past his sell-by date. You can take every scenario and apply some "special snowflake" reasoning to stretch the possibilities six ways to Sunday, and you still come up with something that doesn't pass a smell test. I mean, peeeeeeee-yew! It's just not believable.

The guy probably thought that since there were fewer people who served in the Coast Guard, that they'd be less likely to come after him if he started telling stories. I guess he thought wrong, because apparently there are enough, if not a large number.

I have to wonder if he ever tried this with an Army backstory, and didn't have the facts to back up the tales? Those Army folks are quite vigilant about those who claim service and experience that they haven't earned--and they waste no time taking care of business, either....!

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Response to MADem (Reply #276)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:12 AM

277. Navy?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #277)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:17 AM

278. Me? Yes.

Edit: Retired, mind you, and no, I wasn't John Wayne starring in In Harm's Way, either. I just did my job!

If that guy was an ensign in 1985, assuming he were still on acdu, he'd be a senior flag officer by now. And, assuming he were a senior flag, he'd be way too busy to post on message boards--even during the holiday lull! The lucky ones work twelve hour days--ten when they're ostensibly on leave!

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Response to MADem (Reply #278)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:22 AM

279. I thought you were,

you're very knowledgeable of the Naval service.
Thanks for the great info and double thanks for your service.

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Response to MADem (Reply #276)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:49 AM

285. He's good...

The funniest part of the thread and soo obvious

Thank You, Sir!

Do you post to other websites? I've read a couple of your posts here (very good, by the way), but I seem to recall seeing the name William (or Will, maybe) Pitt in other places on the net.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025993534#post55

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #285)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:30 AM

291. It is funny as hell...

Suck Up, Move Up might work in some corners of the fleet, but it won't earn you any respect in the wardroom--or the chief's mess, for that matter!

This guy didn't do even any basic homework, or maybe he wanted to see what he could get away with. Or maybe he just wasn't too focused on the details. I suppose when one gets one's at-sea gouge from resources like this, one can put a foot wrong on occasion!



Ahhh, Quentin McHale -- probably one of the best recruiters for the sea services that ever trod the decks of gray-painted vessels in the Universal Studios back lot!!! Actually, he got more right than this guy did!

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #274)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:15 AM

338. When you called him on it

and he used the "mass quantities of beer" excuse...that's when I was pretty sure he was a fake.

But something seemed off from the beginning. To humblebrag about killing someone?

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:01 PM

264. Well, that went well.

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:30 PM

271. rec withdrawn

 

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:38 AM

283. Train Rec!!!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #283)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:46 AM

284. More like a shipwreck



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Response to BainsBane (Reply #284)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:56 AM

286. Excellent point.

Ship Rec!!!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:44 AM

287. "My new avatar is for all you fucking trolls, NOT the folks who've supported me"? You edited to add

that? Unrec and I am withdrawing any support for your gaming the du system by continuing to edit your OP after getting a post hidden.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #287)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:51 AM

288. I agree...

and I think the OP could be locked as disruptive meta, after this particular edit (and probably the prior edit). Too late to alert for SoP violation, though.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #288)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:04 AM

289. Naw, it should go to jury but too late for that. Let it stand and see what he does next.

The OP seems within SOP of Gd, but hidable by jury except wow, it's nearly a wk old?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #289)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:42 AM

293. LOL - check out his avatar now.

I'd post a screenshot, but I'd probably get a hide.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #293)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:05 AM

307. I had to go to his profile page to see it. Good god.

Juvenile or what?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #307)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:06 AM

308. Or wishful thinking...

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #308)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:07 AM

309. I was wondering if this was a frequent flyer,

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #309)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:20 PM

367. Yes, it was.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #367)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:57 PM

370. I didn't want to mention any names, but seemed apparent once he got going.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #370)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:03 PM

371. Yeah, I won't mention the name either.

Don't want to give him that much notoriety. I did realize last night after I went offline that no one with a career in the Coast Guard will be a LCDR after nearly 30 years in the service! So that didn't fit. If he's ever been on a ship, it likely looks like this ==>

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #371)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:13 PM

373. I try to give the benefit of the doubt at first, looked at the op as legitimate but there is

no need to add lies like he did. Good job at catching him out and sorry for my gullibility.

Thanks EarlG for banning him and it is fun the thread is still open

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #373)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:29 PM

374. A lot of members bought his story!

I probably would have, except that another MIRT member had already raised suspicions -- and correctly so.

I didn't post in the thread until last evening, then figured what the heck since the game was up by then. I'm happy the thread is still open, too.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #374)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:47 PM

378. I bought it at first also, until he didn't seem to know that the CG had been

deployed to Iraq, something he should've known, and he didn't seem to respond to the term Puddle Pirate \, which EVERY Coastie knows.
Oh well, some of us got snookered, but at least he was outed and EarlG took care of it.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #378)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:53 PM

379. The Iraq thing was a big mistake on his part.

It was interesting!

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #375)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:35 PM

376. You were correct!

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Response to Ryan Fitzomething (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:18 AM

290. "Stone cold MILF?"

Really?

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