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Remember when conservatives CONDONED threats against law enforcement officers? (Original Post) napkinz Dec 2014 OP
Excellent reminder, napkinz! And, the two poor cops in Las Vegas killed by those bundy fringe Cha Dec 2014 #1
Fox's Hannity Provokes Cliven Bundy Toward Bloody Battle napkinz Dec 2014 #3
Exactly. :( Thank you. Cha Dec 2014 #4
where was Rudy, Geraldo, and the rest of them back then? napkinz Dec 2014 #6
UGH! I wish I could smack that stupid, smug grin AngryDem001 Dec 2014 #27
I know. He's the worst of the worst. eom Blanks Dec 2014 #41
... napkinz Dec 2014 #42
We Need To Hold Guiliani Accountable billhicks76 Dec 2014 #28
America's Mayor ... napkinz Dec 2014 #33
Every single person aiming those rifles need to be in federal prison for 20 yrs minimum NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #2
I wonder what the sniper in that picture is thinking as he watches from the comfort of napkinz Dec 2014 #9
He is a hypocrite for sure, but some of these types are so extreme, the Alex Jones group NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #10
At the level of the individual right-winger, there are various degrees of KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #19
What would be the charge? nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #51
And how about when Palin and Limbaugh basically pulled the trigger Sopkoviak Dec 2014 #5
I do not accept McSally's "win" as legitimate. Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #7
Let's not forget that many are still fond of GGordo... JHB Dec 2014 #12
waiting to hear from Ted napkinz Dec 2014 #13
we do... dhill926 Dec 2014 #8
will the MSM? napkinz Dec 2014 #16
Do you even have to ask? AngryDem001 Dec 2014 #26
that LIBERAL media! napkinz Dec 2014 #30
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! AngryDem001 Dec 2014 #31
... napkinz Dec 2014 #32
Every spent any time on conservative forums? madville Dec 2014 #11
But they all hate black people a lot more than they resent each other. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #14
one conservative speaks the truth ... napkinz Dec 2014 #17
Although American blacks share much more in common with American whites than any other kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #64
Conservatives live in their own little KKK alternate universe. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #65
they will have control of both the Senate and House in January napkinz Dec 2014 #68
They control nothing. All they can ever do is obstruct. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #69
power is the rate of doing work seveneyes Dec 2014 #15
I do. 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #18
from the article ... napkinz Dec 2014 #20
And we have channel CBS 8 here in Vegas Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #29
do you have a link to the story? napkinz Dec 2014 #38
You can see all those LEO just ignoring him. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #21
if Eric Parker were African-American, can you imagine what the response would have been ... napkinz Dec 2014 #43
Yes, nothing because there were no LEO on the bridge. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #45
why TODAY is he not under arrest? napkinz Dec 2014 #47
What criminal statute would you charge him with? nt kelly1mm Dec 2014 #52
I'm asking ... is there a law against aiming at federal officers, threatening to kill them? napkinz Dec 2014 #58
I am not aware of anything they can be charged with for just what they are shown doing which is kelly1mm Dec 2014 #63
There probably isn't enough evidence that he was pointing at LEO. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #55
Don't forget Jerad Miller toddwv Dec 2014 #22
now for all the right-wing talk of Mayor Bill de Blasio having blood on his hands ... napkinz Dec 2014 #23
See G. Gordon Liddy lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #24
posted by JHB napkinz Dec 2014 #25
Foxnews hailed Clive Bundy as a modern day Ronald Reagan. Rex Dec 2014 #34
FOX has a history of trying to make despicable people and criminals into heroes ... napkinz Dec 2014 #39
Yes, conservatives and their "Second Amendment solutions." WhiteAndNerdy Dec 2014 #35
"right to keep and bear arms as a way to defend themselves from tyranny" napkinz Dec 2014 #40
There never was a time when conservative *cops* thought it was OK. n/t Joe Magarac Dec 2014 #36
Kicked and recommended! It was but a short time ago. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #37
double standard ... and MAJOR HYPOCRISY! napkinz Dec 2014 #48
+1 Enthusiast Dec 2014 #54
... napkinz Dec 2014 #57
Cliven Bundy is an expert on "The Negro". Enthusiast Dec 2014 #62
Stewart's reaction ... napkinz Dec 2014 #66
That was awesome. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #67
can't leave out Colbert! napkinz Dec 2014 #70
I don't plan to forget malaise Dec 2014 #44
FOX "News" has forgotten napkinz Dec 2014 #50
Condoned? Hell, they made them on hate radio! KamaAina Dec 2014 #46
some condoned, others embraced and encouraged and promoted napkinz Dec 2014 #49
The RightiesŪ are allowed to say anything. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #71
thread on Liddy posted by WilliamPitt napkinz Dec 2014 #72
He can say anything with completely impunity. We would have the FBI at our door. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #73
KnR sheshe2 Dec 2014 #53
Jerad Miller, a member of the conservative-supported Bundy militia, murdered two police officers ... napkinz Dec 2014 #56
Just plain ugly... sheshe2 Dec 2014 #59
where were the media calling out the conservatives who EMBRACED the Bundy militia napkinz Dec 2014 #60
Yup! sheshe2 Dec 2014 #61

Cha

(295,899 posts)
1. Excellent reminder, napkinz! And, the two poor cops in Las Vegas killed by those bundy fringe
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:45 PM
Dec 2014

assholes.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
6. where was Rudy, Geraldo, and the rest of them back then?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:57 PM
Dec 2014

did anyone on the right call out Hannity on it?




 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
28. We Need To Hold Guiliani Accountable
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:39 PM
Dec 2014

Remind him and shame him and Hannity on TV for saying nothing and even encouraging Bundy supporters for their cop killings. It's pathetic. On FOX they suggest armed insurrection all the time. Cops would have to oppose them besides the few racist crazy ones. These idiots on FOX need to be called out.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. Every single person aiming those rifles need to be in federal prison for 20 yrs minimum
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:45 PM
Dec 2014

otherwise this country's justice system is the biggest joke known to humankind

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
9. I wonder what the sniper in that picture is thinking as he watches from the comfort of
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:09 PM
Dec 2014

his home the story of the NY officers murdered

(doubt there is any self-awareness)





NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
10. He is a hypocrite for sure, but some of these types are so extreme, the Alex Jones group
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:12 PM
Dec 2014

that they might even support a black person killing a cop, who knows.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
19. At the level of the individual right-winger, there are various degrees of
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:17 PM
Dec 2014

cognitive dissonance raging. To wit, one of the deceased NYPD cops is Asian (Liu) and the other is Latino (Ramos). BUT the alleged shooter is black. So does hatred of 'black' trump anti-Asian and anti-Latino racism or vice versa? That's aside from the cognitive dissonance baked in to cop as legitimate enforcer of law (NYPD is municipal so OK) vs. cop as illegitimate representative of tyranny (BLM officers are federal so not OK).

My suspicion is that the cognitive dissonance (basically, psychic anxiety produced by holding 2 or more contradictory positions) gets resolved (basically lessened) by legitimizing municipal cops' authority and weighting heavily toward the anti-black racism (thereby letting the anti-Asian and anti-Latino racism go for the duration of this incident).

But that's just a layperson's guess.

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
5. And how about when Palin and Limbaugh basically pulled the trigger
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:55 PM
Dec 2014

On Gabby Giffords?

And just last week the rethugs finished stealing the district from her hand-picked successor

Bastards all of them.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
7. I do not accept McSally's "win" as legitimate.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:04 PM
Dec 2014

The voter ID laws allowed for many to be turned away and others to have their ballots disguarded.

Martha McSally is a disgrace.

JHB

(37,128 posts)
12. Let's not forget that many are still fond of GGordo...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Dec 2014

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." ... "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches." -- G. Gordon Liddy on his radio show, August 26, 1994

AngryDem001

(684 posts)
31. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:51 AM
Dec 2014

And they really THINK that, too!!

MSNBC lost any shred of "LIBRULISM" when they canned Keith Olbermann.

madville

(7,397 posts)
11. Every spent any time on conservative forums?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:15 PM
Dec 2014

1/3 there are police/government-hating Libertarians, 1/3 are military, and 1/3 are law enforcement, they all butt heads pretty regularly.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
14. But they all hate black people a lot more than they resent each other.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:38 PM
Dec 2014

Conservatives are such degenerate, low, visceral people that they just can't see past their basest reactions to everything.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
64. Although American blacks share much more in common with American whites than any other
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

group in America especially compared to those recently coming to these shores in the last 50 years...they are despised the most. It's easy for whites of all ethnicities to overlook the gangs and organized crime groups of other than black ethnicity. They all seem to focus on only black criminals and black on black crime as though it was a threat to them. You hardly ever hear about white on white crime...the militia's bank robberies, thefts of government property, and certainly white collar crimes that ultimately screw over working men and women of all backgrounds.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
68. they will have control of both the Senate and House in January
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:22 PM
Dec 2014

that alternate universe is now our universe for the next two years ... and heaven help us if they win the presidency in 2016





True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
69. They control nothing. All they can ever do is obstruct.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:26 PM
Dec 2014

Even when they had all three, they were spectacularly impotent to do anything more than refuse to govern.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
15. power is the rate of doing work
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:42 PM
Dec 2014

It is equivalent to an amount of energy consumed per unit time

time is a variable. We do not understand time, much less motion or existence.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
18. I do.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dec 2014

#Originally posted May 7, 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024917650

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Link: https://twitter.com/3_patton/status/463767111823663104

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Just a few days ago Sheriff Lombardo spoke to the media about his frightening experience at the Bundy Ranch

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25396688/i-team-police-say-bundy-ranch-protesters-not-off-the-hook

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
20. from the article ...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:20 PM
Dec 2014
At least some of the militia members who pointed weapons at police officers during the confrontation may have wanted a violent outcome and tried to incite one.

-snip-

On one side, armed federal rangers and agents, on the other, a huge crowd of angry militia members and in the middle, 30 Metro officers, exposed and vulnerable, aware that if the shooting began, some of them would die.

And Hannity and his cohorts were praising these terrorists as American patriots.








 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
29. And we have channel CBS 8 here in Vegas
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:42 PM
Dec 2014

fanning the flames as of Friday. They or should we say their Neo-Con owners are starting this Western Range Land ownership crap again with a Bundy stand up interview. Noticed this Right Wing so called Rancher was running his cattle back on BLM land again. Lambardo had his legs whacked by his boss and another slacker in his Department. BTW,haven't heard if Bundy's son has been arrested yet,probation and firearms violations. Major shit storm to come.

kelly1mm

(4,719 posts)
63. I am not aware of anything they can be charged with for just what they are shown doing which is
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:30 PM
Dec 2014

looking through a scope. Would the federal officers feel threatened if they knew this guy way scoping them? Almost definitely. But I don't believe making officers feel threatened is a crime, in and of itself.

Maybe brandishing a firearm?

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
55. There probably isn't enough evidence that he was pointing at LEO.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

But you can bet your bottom dollar a boot would have been on his neck had there been LEO there.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
22. Don't forget Jerad Miller
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:36 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/09/neighbors-couple-suspected-las-vegas-killing-spree/

Hours after a man and woman killed two police officers at an east Las Vegas pizza restaurant and then gunned down another victim at a nearby Wal-Mart before killing themselves, a picture of the shooters began to emerge.

Residents at an apartment complex where it appeared the two lived together said they had a reputation for spouting racist, anti-government views, bragging about their gun collection and boasting that they’d spent time at Cliven Bundy’s ranch during a recent standoff there between armed militia members and federal government agents.



napkinz

(17,199 posts)
23. now for all the right-wing talk of Mayor Bill de Blasio having blood on his hands ...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:48 PM
Dec 2014

Hannity embraced the Bundy militia, of which Jerad Miller was a member.

So does Hannity have blood on his hands?

Do conservatives have an answer?




 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
24. See G. Gordon Liddy
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:51 PM
Dec 2014
August 25, 1986: Liddy's felony convictions rendered him unable to legally possess firearms. Despite this, Liddy founded G. Gordon Liddy & Associates, a private security firm. When asked how he was able to maintain such a close relationship with guns despite his status as a convicted felon, Liddy replied, "Mrs. Liddy has an extensive collection of firearms, some of which she keeps on my side of the bed."[24]
August 26, 1994: Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." … "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches.[25]
September 15, 1994: If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head.[26]
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. Foxnews hailed Clive Bundy as a modern day Ronald Reagan.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:19 AM
Dec 2014

Even after he opened his mouth and let his inner racist out, Foxnews already had all the clips it needed to put together a good propaganda piece about the scary commie government. Bundy then was portrayed as the ignorant (but noble) rancher cowboy that just was out of touch - but still a good guy (because he waved guns at cops).

Then again, just about anything that can have a double standard...is SOP for Foxnews.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
39. FOX has a history of trying to make despicable people and criminals into heroes ...
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:02 AM
Dec 2014

Clive Bundy, George Zimmerman, Darren Wilson ... Dick Cheney




WhiteAndNerdy

(365 posts)
35. Yes, conservatives and their "Second Amendment solutions."
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:23 AM
Dec 2014

They talk a lot about the right to keep and bear arms as a way to defend themselves from tyranny, but the truth is that they actually share the aggressive, authoritarian mindset of some police. They just want to be the tyrants themselves.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
46. Condoned? Hell, they made them on hate radio!
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:20 PM
Dec 2014
http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/did-msnbc-know-liddys-history/

In an April 27 debate about extreme talk radio rhetoric, MSNBC's Scarborough Country turned to an unusual guest: right-wing talker G. Gordon Liddy, who ten years ago called for the killing of federal agents....

That would mean that Liddy has not listened to his own program. On August 26, 1994, Liddy told his radio listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." Liddy's advice that day was explicit: "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches."

This was far from an isolated incident. On September 15, 1994, for example, Liddy told his listeners: "If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head." The theme was repeated so often that Liddy's callers began to exclaim "head shots!" to express their agreement with the host, the way Rush Limbaugh's callers say "megadittos."

After Liddy's talk of shooting federal agents received media attention, in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing (London Independent, 4/24/95), some stations dropped Liddy's program. In a press conference responding to the controversy (Associated Press, 4/25/95), Liddy clarified his advice by noting that shooting a federal agent in the head might not be the ideal plan: "So you shoot twice to the body, center of mass, and if that does not work, then shoot to the groin area."




(h/t Will Pitt )

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
49. some condoned, others embraced and encouraged and promoted
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:42 PM
Dec 2014

I didn't know about Liddy's comments until other members replied to this thread. What a sick f*ck!

Why isn't he BACK in prison?





Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
71. The RightiesŪ are allowed to say anything.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:30 AM
Dec 2014

We live in a special society. You know, American exceptionalism and stuff. No one more exceptional than G. Gordon Liddy.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
73. He can say anything with completely impunity. We would have the FBI at our door.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:47 AM
Dec 2014

Something is afoot.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
56. Jerad Miller, a member of the conservative-supported Bundy militia, murdered two police officers ...
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:47 PM
Dec 2014


























napkinz

(17,199 posts)
60. where were the media calling out the conservatives who EMBRACED the Bundy militia
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:00 PM
Dec 2014

and its threats against federal officers, and then the murder of two police officers by members of the Bundy militia?

as another member said, DOUBLE STANDARD






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