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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 04:52 PM Dec 2014

Why They Get Away With Cutting Welfare

Crossposted and turned into an OP at a poster's suggestion.

The aim of the PtB is to get the populace so desperate that they'll work for pennies, or a meal, or a dosshouse bed for the night. That's why they cut welfare. They dehumanize those who need welfare both because they honestly think everyone incapable of finding a job is a useless eater who should die and so that the genpop will be brainwashed into hating those on welfare. That means less protests when they shrink welfare or abolish it entirely.

Thing is, the Democrats have moved so far to the right and become such wusses, that they keep backing off important shit. Like:
- "the US is the only country in the developed world without some form of universal healthcare. It's an incredible drag on business and taxpayers and we should just pick a random European system and steal it".
- "Government *should* redistribute wealth. That's part of the fucking government's job. To take money from the rich fucks with too much and give it to the poor bastards with none".
- "In the richest country on earth, it is a fucking disgrace that *anyone* goes hungry or doesn't have a roof over their heads".
- "We have given not enough time or power to people who make things and too fucking much to people who just make money".
- "It is the mark of a civilized fucking society to provide for the poor and sick. There is no such thing as a lazy moocher living in luxury on welfare and it's blatant class warfare, with a hint of racism, to say so".
- "Humiliating and demonizing the poor pleb on welfare does not make you tough, it does not make you a hard-choices realist and it shouldn't give you a fucking stiffie. It makes you a sadistic fuck, taking his sociopathy out on people who can't fight back. No-one likes a bully".
- "Being a mean, cruel, ignorant shitkicker is not a prerequisite in a political leader".
- "The Rapture is not a fucking exit strategy".
- "It is not socialism or communism to say these things and the fact that you think it is proves that the liberal media are a complete myth".

Thing is, I actually don't blame Obama. The facts are simple: In order to get elected, you have to have or have access to colossal sums of cash. The campaigning, even for a Senate race, costs more than the GDP of small countries. Bringing in that kind of capital requires either rich backers or rock-star charisma, preferably both, because the USA doesn't have elections anymore, it has auctions. On top of that, getting elected requires serious facetime in media, preferably national media. And the national media are, on teh whole, right-wing because they are fucking corporate. The only candidates the MSM will allow to be taken seriously are those who are either safely corporate Dems (who push disgraceful trade deals or Clinton's obscene gutting of welfare) or to the right of Goebbals.

Obama is exactly what the media love to present to you, centre-right economically, liberal socially with a compelling personal story. He *has* to be that in order to even get in the game. But, because the American electoral system is designed to ensure that only two parties can compete, voting Democrat rather than Crazytown means that the plebs get fucked slightly less. Yeah, the Democrats might fuck you but teh Republicans will torture you, rape you and then slit your throat just to hear you gurgle.

And here's the real bitch: It's not going to change, not for a long time. Let me break this down:
FACT 1: 19% of the plebs think the sun orbits the earth. In other words, a fifth of the electorate are dumb as dirt (and yes, the UK population is just as bad, that's missing the point).

FACT 2: Your media is entirely corporate which means conservative and conservative which means corporate.

FACT 3: Humans are instinctively obedient (Milgram), instinctively conformist (Asche) and will believe fucking *anything* if they hear it enough times (too many researchers to list).

Combine 2 & 3 and much, maybe most, of your population have been brainwashed to believe that a wussy moderate like Obama is the reincarnation of Stalin. Media power is EVERYTHING. The Signal is all around us, everywhere and all-pervasive. It is on your tablets, on your cellphones, on your watches and eyeglasses within the next few years; it is time, it is money, it is the air we breathe and the water we drink. The Signal is fucking GOD. That's how powerful it is. Control the media and you can do ANYTHING and I mean that as an absolute term. Cheney could get pulled over tonight with a dead hooker in his trunk (and, straight-up, no exaggeration in the slightest, I am fucking expecting them to find dead kids in his yard when he dies. No word of a lie) and if it doesn't get airtime, it didn't fucking happen. Conversely, Dennis Kucinich said he saw a UFO. Literally. He said he saw something in the sky that he could not readily identify, that's exactly what he said and the definition of a UFO. Within two hours, the story was that Kucinich believed in little green men.

FACT 4: Conservatives have abused the Congressional rules to give them a minority veto over everything which they will abolish teh very second they're in power and reinstate in a lame duck session when they're going out of power.

FACT 5: Conservatives own the SCOTUS. They have a tame group of five judges who make their opinions purely on political grounds and barely even bother hiding it.

FACT 6: Conservatives have gerrymandered the living shit out of the map to give themselves safe seats, enacted voter "fraud" legislation to prevent likely Democrats from voting (so blatant, I'm amazed they don't just say "you cannot vote if you are a Democrat&quot and got everyone using unverifiable voting machines (I worked in IT for ten years, it takes more effort to make teh fucking things unverifiable than it does to make them accountable. I'm not saying they used it to steal an election, I'm saying they could).

Add those three facts together and you get plebs who will either vote for conservatives or their vote will simply not count and The Signal will not tell you about it. And even if it did...

FACT 7: (Look at me, preaching a fucking sermon here) There will be no revolt. The revolution will not be televised because the revolution will not fucking happen. Because The Signal feeds you bullshit. It's lulled you to sleep with American Idol and woken you up to Morning Joe. Bread and circuses, man, bread and circuses. Built the Roman Empire, bread and circuses did. Except system's more efficient now. Can't have the state provide you with bread and circuses, that would be too much like *gasp* socialism. You have to work and buy your own bread and circuses.

FACT 8: Don't think I'm being fucking snobby here. I'm a pleb, just like the rest. I use Facebook. Being disabled and crazy, it's my only window on the outside world. I love wrestling almost as much as I love Father Lucifer and for a good deal longer. I have a Kindle, an Amazon account, I shop at Tesco. I'm as much a puppet of The Signal as anyone else. Only difference is that I can see the strings.

FACT 9: The ultimate aim of the corporate PtB is to have a population so desperate, so *broken*, that they will work for pennies, or a meal, or a dosshouse bed for the night. I'm a Ripperologist (someone who studies the crimes of Jack the Ripper) and being in any way serious about that, you have to know quite a lot about Victorian London. Here is my favorite piece of trivia about Victorian London: The price of sex with a prostitute, 4d, was the exact price of a light meal, a shot of gin or a dosshouse bed for the night. I love that piece of trivia because it shows you, in a very real way, the connection between commerce and your very fucking survival (and also patriarchy, these women were not in a good place but that's a whole 'nother sermon).

That's their endgame, man. To have you so desperate and with so few options that you'll work for pennies, or a meal, or a bed for the night. And if you can't find a job, they'll send you to the workhouse, rent you out as slave labour in exchange for your dole. When you're too old or broken down to work, fuck you, you're out on the street or Soylent Green. If you protest, they'll ignore you and if enough of you protest, they'll send in the police or the army. And if you don't want it, fuck you, there's millions desperate enough to take it. That's what their ultimate aim is, always has been. And the Republicans (and not all but too many Dems) are their political arm just as the SCOTUS is their legal arm. And too many of the plebs have forgotten or never learned, why you need unions. The PtB would bring back slavery but wage slavery is cheaper.

FACT 10: Last one, I promise. All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again. History, economic history anyway, runs in cycles. Times and technology change but it goes the same way every time. The rich exploit teh rules, gobble up too much cash and crash the system. The plebs protest, demand some protections. Government puts in (water down versions of) those protections. And then all the people who remember the last crash start dying off and the corporate PtB start eroding those protections until eventually, they go too far, they crash the system and the whole cycle starts again. It's what happened with the Dutch tulip mania, it's what caused the fucking American Revolution (the original dispute that triggered the whole thing was because the Crown cut taxes on tea imported by the original megacorporation, the East India Trading Company). It's not a coincidence that the idea that the poor are poor because of their own faults; that being rich is a duty and if you aren't, you didn't try hard enough; that you shouldn't tax the rich because they're "job creators". All of these ideas were incredibly popular in the years leading up to the Crash of '29. And then, just as everyone who remembered that started dying off in droves, along come a bunch of rich fucks and brainwashed plebs who think they don't need no fucking rules and they start eroding the protections. All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.

It's not going to change. Not until the end of scarcity (which is possible right fucking *now*), or the end of the class system or patriarchy or The Singularity. It's not going to change. The best you can do, the only thing you can do (save for suggestions that would, rightly, get this post pulled by the mods) is mitigate the damage, ease the pain just a little. That's all that can be done for now.

Here endeth the lesson. Peace with you.

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Why They Get Away With Cutting Welfare (Original Post) Prophet 451 Dec 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2014 #1
Thanks, man n/t Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #4
Wow ... thank you! etherealtruth Dec 2014 #2
Thank you for considering my words Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author etherealtruth Dec 2014 #6
Good point Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #7
See? Brigid Dec 2014 #5
And you were right :) Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #8
34 recs on a very slow DU day is not shabby at all! etherealtruth Dec 2014 #28
Excellent. So much truth here. n/t pa28 Dec 2014 #9
What always boggles me is how daredtowork Dec 2014 #10
Rather than "the winners and the losers"...we should say "the lucky and the unlucky". Ken Burch Dec 2014 #12
Yet the privileged aren't the majority daredtowork Dec 2014 #13
By "and", I meant "Versus". Ken Burch Dec 2014 #16
My preferred term: "the rich versus the rest" n/t Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #21
Some day, perhaps Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #46
And the Wall Street/Clinton wing of our party will respond by saying: Ken Burch Dec 2014 #11
"it's called prison." - dang you stole my line! nt daredtowork Dec 2014 #14
KandR GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #15
Very well said! Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #17
We have idiots who rail about foreign aid saying we should care for our own people first.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #18
Mostly we should all have guns. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #22
Yeeeup.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #32
Bravo, kind sir! Bravo! ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #19
Krugman: Racism: "our unique suspicion of and hostility to social insurance and anti-poverty pampango Dec 2014 #20
K&R for truth! Well said. nt Mnemosyne Dec 2014 #23
Thank you for such an excellent & comprehensive post. CaptainTruth Dec 2014 #24
I hope to be wrong on 7 too Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #40
K&R +1,000 nt LiberalElite Dec 2014 #25
K&R Fuddnik Dec 2014 #26
Because enough of us "good people" won't stop them. jtuck004 Dec 2014 #27
Righteous rant my friend.....well done. yourout Dec 2014 #29
VERY well said! logosoco Dec 2014 #30
I hope to be wrtong as well Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #39
It is my belief that those at the bottom and all the way up to the middle middle class really LiberalArkie Dec 2014 #31
K&R - Great post n/t kdmorris Dec 2014 #33
Your presentation is a bit over-the-top, but otherwise quite accurate. AdHocSolver Dec 2014 #34
They don't care about crashing the US economy Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #47
The monkey wrench in your "rinse and repeat" history lesson is climate change riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #35
That's a good point Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #38
You are correct Dirty Socialist Dec 2014 #36
Fact 10. Things will change. We will prevail. We've been through worse. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #37
A big K&R. TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #41
Thank you very much Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #42
K&R! We have many people living, working, investing and dying for conservative (corporate) ends. raouldukelives Dec 2014 #43
Not much to argue with there.. sendero Dec 2014 #44
I would agree BUT... Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author sendero Dec 2014 #48
I deleted my initial response. sendero Dec 2014 #49
... Faux pas Dec 2014 #50
As long as we get Rollerball and the great Jonathan E, I'm good with this. BKH70041 Dec 2014 #51
"All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again." Autumn Colors Dec 2014 #52
"That's all that can be done for now" TBF Dec 2014 #53


(22,165 posts)
2. Wow ... thank you!
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 05:03 PM
Dec 2014

I will admit I had to skim (taking a break from cleaning) ... but will return to this and reread when I can fully appreciate it!

Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #3)


(3,732 posts)
10. What always boggles me is how
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 05:28 PM
Dec 2014

"Useless eaters" or "death panels" or even "right to life" will become Right Wing cause celebres when at the root of their ideology is social darwinism. View the man behind the curtain, and it's just the darwinian grind, down to a cold, hard nub. But it's decorated in a lot of touchy feely crap to sell it to the religious folk.

I got news for you people: the hard competition of social darwinism means you have to do something with the losers. And if you are rigging the game or playing on an uneven field, the losers are going to keep questioning why they even have to play on your terms.

The opposite of social darwinism, as you point out in your post is Civilization. It is at last acknowledging that each human being we allow into this world has worth and dignity in themselves, and imposing suffering by depriving them of basic necessities is a form of torture. We Americans don't torture do we? (Oops, Torture Report.)

Anyway, we need to make the deliberate, conscious choice to build Civilization.

Perhaps some day we will.


Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
12. Rather than "the winners and the losers"...we should say "the lucky and the unlucky".
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 05:30 PM
Dec 2014

or just "the privileged and the majority".


(3,732 posts)
13. Yet the privileged aren't the majority
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 05:35 PM
Dec 2014

There are levels of privilege I suppose, but the dire problem is the manipulation of the majority who vote for and uphold policies that keep wealth concentrated in the hands of the 1% and who don't think the problems of the people in need are their problems.


Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. And the Wall Street/Clinton wing of our party will respond by saying:
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 05:29 PM
Dec 2014

"We have to let them kill the poor so we can get another Supreme Court justice".

As if tilting the Court somehow justifies giving up on everything else.

(The Wall Street/Cliinton wing also just plain happens to despise the poor as much as the GOP does, but they don't think they can just come right out and say that...quite yet).

At some point soon, they'll suggest rounding up the poor and putting them in camps...and our party's establishment will look the other way. Oh wait...they're already doing that...it's called prison.


Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. We have idiots who rail about foreign aid saying we should care for our own people first....
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 06:01 PM
Dec 2014

....and in the next breath rail about "welfare bums".

But then, these are also the same idiots that blame the government for the lack of jobs and then parrot the claim that the government has never created a single job.


(24,692 posts)
20. Krugman: Racism: "our unique suspicion of and hostility to social insurance and anti-poverty
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 06:08 PM
Dec 2014

programs – is, I and many others would argue, very much tied to our racial history. This does not, however, explain in any direct way why we should misperceive real inequality: people could oppose aid to Those People while understanding how rich the rich are. There may, however, be an indirect effect, because the racial divide empowers right-wing groups of all kinds, which in turn issue a lot of propaganda dismissing and minimizing inequality.



(6,828 posts)
24. Thank you for such an excellent & comprehensive post.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 06:47 PM
Dec 2014

However, I'm not willing to give up on Fact 7. Consider the history of China, over thousands of years, corrupt govts (power classes in general) were overthrown by angry masses with pitchforks & flaming torches. That is the only hope I have for America. Witness all the recent protests. Witness people like myself, a 50-something white male with a moderate middle-class background (never radical, never owned a gun, never felt so mad about anything in this county that I felt driven to fight for it) but now, I'm so angry about what I see, & I have given up on the possibility of political solutions, that if the pitchforks & torches start coming out I will be there. A lot of us "quiet, average" people have been pushed to a tipping point & if the right (or wrong) things happen there will be revolt. If the Power Class makes it clear that violence is the only language they understand, then that is what they will hear.

I pray it doesn't come to that, it's the last thing I want, but when people are pushed to the point where there is only one option, that is the option they will choose.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
40. I hope to be wrong on 7 too
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:13 AM
Dec 2014

I hope I'm wrong and the plebs (which includes me) wake up one day. But, given the placating influence of tv and the fact that even the most radical left-wing elements now denounce the possibility of violent action, I don't have much hope left in me.



(15,882 posts)
27. Because enough of us "good people" won't stop them.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:07 PM
Dec 2014

"The revolution will not be televised because the revolution will not fucking happen." < I thought that line deserved repeating, and you noted why.


(3,208 posts)
30. VERY well said!
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:45 PM
Dec 2014

I have some friends/family on FB that continue to post the crap about "having to work so that others can have welfare" and it drives me insane! They think because they are busting their ass in a crap job with no benefits that they have it made!
It is a mixed up world, but hopefully your #7 point is wrong and there will be a revolt. I don't see how the system can be maintained as it has been for much longer. People are going to crack.

Peace to you, and thanks for putting this into easy to understand words.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
39. I hope to be wrtong as well
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:11 AM
Dec 2014

I just have a horrible suspicion that the fix is in too deep now, the masses too lulled to sleep by the tv.


(15,857 posts)
31. It is my belief that those at the bottom and all the way up to the middle middle class really
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:50 PM
Dec 2014

do not have that much to loose in the events coming up. Those in the upper middle, the top 40%-90%, I think are going to loose their shirts. Look at history, even here in the US, it was the bottom and the very top. The ones in middle just enlarged the numbers of people at the bottom. The poor people who think they are upper middle class, even those that think they are wealthy are going to think they are having a nightmare. Remember the depression, it was not the middle class jumping out of the windows, it was those who were wealthy, just not a Getty or Vanderbilt or Morgan wealthy.


(2,561 posts)
34. Your presentation is a bit over-the-top, but otherwise quite accurate.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:43 PM
Dec 2014

The current economic and political patterns mirror, to a large extent, those that existed in the 1930's in the U.S. and Europe, especially in Germany.

An economic war is being waged against the working and middle classes by the bankers and industrialists (Wall Street). Their end game is another Great Depression. It is absurd to believe that a booming stock market signifies a booming economy when a booming stock market preceded the Great Depression. The stock market was (and still is) nothing but a giant Ponzi scheme based on over-priced pieces of paper (or electronic bits of memory).

The stock market is based on trickle-down economics. and only works if "investors" believe in "free markets", "free trade", a "global economy", NAFTA, and Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and Unicorns.

An economy is driven by demand, which requires that a large number of people have money to spend and want to spend it. Money has to circulate within an economy, which means that a population within a local economic system has to produce a majority of the goods and services that it buys.

Outsourcing jobs to low-wage countries in Asia drains money from an economy. Austerity measures by government and reducing taxes for the wealthy, who hide it in offshore bank accounts, drain money from an economy. The hidden and growing inflation ($2.00 and up for a pound of tomatoes, among other examples) reduces the assets and leverage of the middle class

Draining money from an economy reduces demand which leads to economic collapse.

Therefore, a healthy economy requires that an economic system support good paying jobs within its population, who produce a majority of the everyday goods and services purchased by that population.

Providing only a second-rate education, and making college unaffordable for the masses provides a rationale to the industrialists to send technical jobs offshore, "because the corporations can't find qualified people in the U.S."

The economic war is the core element in the goal of subjugating the masses.

This effort has been mainly successful because of a largely gullible, ignorant, and apathetic population, massive and open support of bigotry and racism by the powers-that-be through control of the mass media, and bread-and-circus for a select few, while planned economic and political collapse is expanding for the masses.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
47. They don't care about crashing the US economy
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:29 AM
Dec 2014

They'll sell to the much bigger Asian markets and perhaps to the North European nations. The US (and the UK, if the Tories get their way) are their preferred labour population. Low wages (or a meal or a bed for the night), low services (to the plebs; the rich can afford their own services), low or no regulations and a populace that has been trained to see the "job creators" as semi-mythical demigods.



(23,272 posts)
35. The monkey wrench in your "rinse and repeat" history lesson is climate change
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:03 PM
Dec 2014

I don't think anyone understands the economic ramifications of climate change.

That economic reality may overtake us "plebs" before the oligarchs can be taken down. You can't revolt if there's no potable water or food or even access to the rich (they're floating on their yachts on the open ocean or sequestered on heavily guarded islands.)

I'm not sure there's enough time for the cycle to repeat itself...

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
38. That's a good point
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:08 AM
Dec 2014

Climate change may well interfere with the usual cycle but I have no idea what form that would take.


(113,624 posts)
41. A big K&R.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:10 AM
Dec 2014

Your point about "humiliating and demonizing the poor pleb on welfare does not make you tough, it does not make you a hard-choices realist and it shouldn't give you a fucking stiffie. It makes you a sadistic fuck, taking his sociopathy out on people who can't fight back. No-one likes a bully" is what it all seems to boil down to in the end. I've plummeted from a middle income existence to poverty and can't describe the lack of compassion or caring that I've received from the masses who think that they are better than me.

I'm glad that I'm not the only non-conformist that recognizes the truth of what is happening out there.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
42. Thank you very much
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:18 AM
Dec 2014

My frustration with the system boils over sometimes but this was my most coherent attempt to explain what I see.


(5,178 posts)
43. K&R! We have many people living, working, investing and dying for conservative (corporate) ends.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:24 AM
Dec 2014

Some of them even give time out from working & investing against us 24/7 365 to place a vote for the blue team every couple years. So, better than nothing I suppose but far, so very far from an overall positive impact. Not just for the short time they are alive, but for the billions yet to exist and the vanishing wildlife & wilderness reeling from the negative impacts they are heaping upon them each minute.
Yes, let us try to live lives that mitigate the pain instead of profiting from inflicting it.


(28,552 posts)
44. Not much to argue with there..
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:40 AM
Dec 2014

... I could quibble with a couple points but the overall scenario is just as you described.

Which is why I no longer think "getting a Democrat elected" is the prime directive. They are only a speed bump on the road we are on. They are death by a thousand cuts rather than sudden death. Obama has slowed the train but only a little. The way the game is rigged I don't except any other Democratic president to do much better, especially HRC, she would do even worse.

I'd just as soon let the Republicans go ahead and crash everything now so we can get on with the next cycle. I want to live long enough to see EVERYONE admit they were the problem.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
45. I would agree BUT...
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 04:04 AM
Dec 2014

...the death of a thousand cuts causes less actual deaths than the big crash does.

Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #45)


(28,552 posts)
49. I deleted my initial response.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 08:24 AM
Dec 2014

.... because I realized I did not want to get into this discussion on this board.

You might be right, or not. I could make arguments either way. I'll just leave it at that


(961 posts)
51. As long as we get Rollerball and the great Jonathan E, I'm good with this.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:27 AM
Dec 2014

Holy Shit!

If anybody needs me, I decided to stroll back over to the world known as reality.


Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
52. "All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again."
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:30 AM
Dec 2014

So say we all. (BSG quote for the uninitiated...)

Thank you for this.


(32,546 posts)
53. "That's all that can be done for now"
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:38 AM
Dec 2014

That's what they'd like you to think.

There's much that COULD be done. We've dealt with their kind historically ... I prefer that we figure out how to use taxation to benefit ALL as opposed to the gilded few, but there are other methods.

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