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Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:06 PM

Anyone asked Obama why whistleblowers are in prison but not torturers they exposed?

I mean to his face.

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Reply Anyone asked Obama why whistleblowers are in prison but not torturers they exposed? (Original post)
yurbud Dec 2014 OP
JaneyVee Dec 2014 #1
Orrex Dec 2014 #2
yurbud Dec 2014 #3
Orrex Dec 2014 #4
Scuba Dec 2014 #14
rock Dec 2014 #5
sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #6
derby378 Dec 2014 #7
yurbud Dec 2014 #19
derby378 Dec 2014 #20
yurbud Dec 2014 #21
Sunlei Dec 2014 #8
yurbud Dec 2014 #9
Sunlei Dec 2014 #10
Aerows Dec 2014 #12
Sunlei Dec 2014 #13
yurbud Dec 2014 #15
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #17
Aerows Dec 2014 #11
former9thward Dec 2014 #16
davidn3600 Dec 2014 #18

Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:08 PM

1. IDK but now that the torture report was released....

 

Shouldn't the whistleblowers be also.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:47 PM

2. I agree with you. However...

The whistleblowers were ostensibly imprisoned (and/or charged) for deliberately releasing top secret information.

The torturers have not been charged because they were acting under a Woo-style interpretation of the law that found torture to be legal and appropriate given the circumstances. That is, at the time of the incidents, what we're now calling "torture" was found to be all fine and dandy. And the torturers who exceeded the acceptable boundaries were just a few bad apples who acted without malice and therefore will be scolded without any actual repercussions.


I find it intolerable and vile, and the fuckers who practiced, endorsed & authoritzed torture should be dragged in front of The Hague like any other war criminal. But the summary above is more or less the response I've been hearing/reading.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:47 PM

3. Obama was very legally "creative" when he figured out how to kill Americans with drones abroad

If he wanted to, he could figure out how to get this done too.

He doesn't want to.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:51 PM

4. +1

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Response to yurbud (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:50 AM

14. + another

 

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:18 PM

5. Prosecution as everyone well knows is not automatic

Cops, judges, politicians, CEOs, etc. are usually given special consideration. Country of Law my ass! And this group actually struts around like they've got lots to be proud of! They're turds in top hats.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:25 PM

6. Chelsea Manning reported torture by the Iraqi police of people who were

foolish enough to think that we actually created a democracy there and were simply demonstrating, using their newfound 'freedom'. The US Trained Police were arresting and torturing them so Manning THOUGHT the Government who sent her there would want to know and do something about it.

She found out that was not the case, but could not get those poor people our of her mind. So she became a Whistle Blower. Then she learned that the people of this country don't much care either.

It is a crime that Whistle Blowers are being persecuted here while War Criminals walk free.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:29 PM

7. Wassamatta you, you wanna pony or sumpin?



And yeah, I have been wondering about that, too.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:20 PM

19. We were promised a pony and got a bloody horse head in our bed instead

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Response to yurbud (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:01 PM

20. Yikes, but you get a +1 for that (n/t)

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:36 PM

8. Which whistleblower(s) in prison? remember this report was ordered by President O, years ago.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:45 PM

9. Manning and Kiriakou. Assange and Snowden would be too if our gov't could get a hold of them

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Response to yurbud (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:10 PM

10. 4. 2 are in prison. 3 are scapegoats for their management who didn't even notice downloads.

Kiriakou spoke about waterboard in 2007 actually didn't speak, gave information to a reporter. Get on the wrong side of cheney and bad things happened in that admin to lots of people.

All 4 of them are adults and knew what would happen to them when they broke the law.

With Manning, I think they should go after the management who let an emotionally unstable person play video games & surf around/download whatever he wanted. Same with Snowden, someone got him those jobs. They both were used by whoever placed them in those jobs in the first place.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:43 PM

12. Manning was unstable enough

 

to know the difference between right and wrong.

You can address the character of the person that convicted her before you sit in a comfortable chair and pontificate what Chelsea Manning should have, would have or could have - in the end, she did the same inconvenient things Snowden did - she called a wrong "wrong". Even if it was done by the United States.

And she unfortunately called it while President Obama was in office, because otherwise you and the rest of the krewe would be celebrating her as a hero instead of dancing around calling her a menace - because you know in your hearts she isn't, but she slighted the President, so you just MUST get any jab in you can.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:59 PM

13. a very lonely fragile person, isolated by the military. You can see it here in the chats with the

person who turned her in. She's not a menace, but did admit to a habit of 'helping friends' and for sure knew the difference between right and wrong. You can read how Manning poured out her soul, her life story just to one person on an internet chat. That person was the one who turned her in.

http://www.wired.com/2011/07/manning-lamo-logs/

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:29 AM

15. they knew and they did it anyway because it was right. The Bushies knew they did far, far worse

and would get away with it.

And that shows how fucked up and profoundly corrupt our system is.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 02:58 AM

17. Kiriakou wasn't imprisoned for whistleblowing. In fact he DEFENDED waterboarding. He is in prison

for outing a CIA undercover agent (two actually, but he was only charged with one count because the reporter never gave the name of the second agent to the public). He also got the same sentence as Scooter Libby (30 months). Scooter Libby got his sentence commuted, but that doesn't change the fact that both did the same thing and both got the same sentences.

Kiriakou is a d-bag. He lied to the CIA about the book he wrote and then laughed about it in an email to a friend (great spycraft, huh?). In fact, Kiriakou was interviewed in 2007. Nothing happened after he confirmed the use of waterboarding. It wasn't until around 2011, when the gov't started investigating the leak of the CIA agent's name that they found out it was Kiriakou. The initial TV appearance had nothing to do with it. Even Kiriakou didn't dispute this until after he was sentenced and decided to become a mouthpiece for the whistleblower movement.

Stop spreading misinformation. If you were truly concerned about "whistleblowers" you would have done a minimal amount of research and would know this already.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:35 PM

11. No

 

He made a glorious speech about opening the US up to trade with Cuba and people have tears in their eyes over it, despite there being no mention of closing down Guantanamo Bay, either.

I know - we expect him to do the things he promised and campaigned on, and it's a bit cold-hearted to expect him to actually DO them, since no one ever asked the same of any politician before THIS President, who is black, and I'd like to remind you ...

And once again, we are back to square one.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:33 AM

16. No.

Posters on DU were excited about the gender of those asking the questions today but not the content of the questions.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 03:26 AM

18. Nope. We are all too busy celebrating the gender of the people asking the questions

 

Apparently that's more important than what was (or wasn't) discussed.

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