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Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:05 PM

A question for you DU? ****Trigger Warning, Images**** Trigger Warning!

There are two major crimes front and forward in the news right now. Bush, Cheney and their ilk should be tried for war crimes for torture. I agree and angry what they did was so wrong and a crime against humanity. There is immense outrage here about that and yes once again blaming this President for it all with all the hatred that can be tossed his way.

The other deserves outrage as well, UNARMED BLACK MEN ARE BEING SHOT WITH EXCESSIVE FORCE AT ALARMING RATES! THEIR CRIME...BLACKNESS! because it is a crime against humanity and it dates back centuries. Where is your outrage about black lives? Do they matter less to you? I must have missed all your posts.

We have a history of cruelty toward PoC. We bought them, we beat them we humiliated them and tried to take their soul, then on a whim we slaughtered them. Let's fucking charge white men for their hate crimes and torture. We have police today, stalking and murdering unarmed black men and women and children for no other reason than hate. WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE HERE? WHERE THE HELL DO YOU STAND ON THIS AT DU? Or do you only wish to blame the black man in office.





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Black Children are asking for your help to make laws to protect them. Where do you stand? Will you continue your silence or will you stand a be heard.



WE SEE YOU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025957313



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I CAN'T BREATHE

AND NEITHER SHOULD WE UNTIL WE HAVE JUSTICE

IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THESE INJUSTICES ARE NOT CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY THEN NOTHING IS. IF YOU DO NOT STAND AND BE HEARD ALL ELSE BECOMES A MOOT POINT.

It hurt me to even post these pictures.

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sheshe2 Dec 2014 OP
steve2470 Dec 2014 #1
grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #2
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #3
ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #5
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #6
ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #10
YOHABLO Dec 2014 #18
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #36
gollygee Dec 2014 #42
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #43
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2014 #44
gollygee Dec 2014 #45
Enthusiast Dec 2014 #13
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #17
JEFF9K Dec 2014 #4
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #8
Marr Dec 2014 #14
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #27
Marr Dec 2014 #35
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #37
Marr Dec 2014 #39
MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #7
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #12
MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #41
Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #9
ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #11
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #25
freshwest Dec 2014 #15
Post removed Dec 2014 #16
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #22
freshwest Dec 2014 #29
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #34
onecaliberal Dec 2014 #19
SMC22307 Dec 2014 #20
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #24
freshwest Dec 2014 #40
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #38
spanone Dec 2014 #21
marym625 Dec 2014 #23
flvegan Dec 2014 #26
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #28
flvegan Dec 2014 #30
sheshe2 Dec 2014 #32
fadedrose Dec 2014 #31
fadedrose Dec 2014 #33

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:11 PM

1. kick and rec! nt

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:17 PM

2. State torture and police brutality are two sides of the same coin. Obama needs to stand for what is

 

right and good and Constitutional,

By going after the torturers he will simultaneously be dealing a blow to cops who look to their intellegent even brethren for guidance.

Lets stop these crimes now.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:18 PM

3. Why the photo of Australian aboriginals?

There are plenty of pictures of black americans to use. You don't need to bring the native peoples of another land into this to make your point.



The we see you OP was great, this one, not so much.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:38 PM

5. Because they are People of Color

And part of the history of how the white ruling class historically treats POC.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:52 PM

6. They are not american.

Is this about all people of color or only people who appear black, regardless that they live 7000 miles away from america.

The OP actually shows some ignorance and cultural appropriation to fit a narrative. Under the OPs premise and yours this could be about anyone provided they have a deep tan.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:06 AM

10. Um Okay??

I'm not getting you, but I think I'll slowly back away now.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

18. It's about the crimes of whites against blacks...... all over the world .. nothing out of place here

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:03 AM

36. Oh really...

We have a history of cruelty toward PoC. We bought them, we beat them we humiliated them and tried to take their soul, then on a whim we slaughtered them. Let's fucking charge white men for their hate crimes and torture. We have police today, stalking and murdering unarmed black men and women and children for no other reason than hate.


I didn't know WE are Australian. Next WE will be personally responsible for all that happened in south africa too.



If you want us to own the genocide of black peoples overseas. Lets start with recent history. The jihadist shock troops of NATO under cover of President Obama air campaign massacred thousands of black Libyans. Nary a peep from the peoples of DU. Our own leadership caught up in the exhilaration of imperial power.









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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 08:46 AM

42. It's about the larger picture of colonization

I assumed including that showed how the problems associated with colonization by Europeans that created the slave trade created problems worldwide and not just here.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:02 AM

43. Aboriginals in Australia don't have a history of slavery like in the Americas

Their experiences are closer to that of our Native Americans than Americans of African descent. They are after all the original people of Australia.

I get that the picture of a grinning white man with chained "black people" plays to a certain narrative. As I said earlier it's cultural appropriation and an appeal to emotion absent facts. She might as well have posted pictures from South Africa since the emotion apparently is much more important than context.

Here is a picture sheshe2 can use in her next emotional post



It's from googling "south african racists" but I'm sure she can repurpose it to fit her American narrative.



South African police were sent spinning their wheels over a gruesome, racist photo that resurfaced on Facebook depicting a white hunter standing over a dead Black child. Turns out, the picture was a prank, but the fallout from the incident is no laughing matter.


http://www.bet.com/news/global/2011/08/29/racist-facebook-photo-stumps-south-african-police.html


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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 04:53 PM

44. That appalling photograph says so much about what is wrong with the world.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:41 PM

45. They were victims of colonization

More in the way Native Americans were, but they were definitely victims of colonization.

I had to re-read my post to see why you think this is a correction to it. Colonization hurt a great number of people of color worldwide. The slave trade is one example of colonization, but colonization hurt people outside of that too.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:25 AM

13. I thought they were Solomon Islanders.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:41 AM

17. If were only going skin deep irrespective of country, culture or history.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:38 PM

4. I've seen NOTHING BUT outrage here.

What's your evidence to the contrary?

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:01 AM

8. Excuse me?

I have seen lots of outrage blaming this President for torture that he had no part of.

Yet the torture of PoC, where the hell are they?

Oh yes, there has been a ton of outrage about PoC being abused and beautiful protests. Yet those that condemn this President on his "said stance for torture" crickets on PoC being tortured. Fucking crickets! Zip Zilch Nada! The only time they come on one of those posts is to disrupt. That breaks my hard.

Nothing but a deep dark silence.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:26 AM

14. Your use of this issue to shield some politician is offensive and just gross.

 

You don't like criticism of the President for failing to bring torturers to trial, so you suggest the critics are... what? Racists who are actually indifferent to torture, and only using the issue as a cudgel?

Gag.

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Response to Marr (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:02 AM

27. What?

Whoosh~

Right over your head.

Let me explain again. Simply this time.

Torture is torture no matter who is involved. You either show outrage for all or for none.

Simple as that, Marr.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:43 AM

35. Let me see if I understand you.

 

You expect everyone who has a problem with modern day United States torture programs, and the people who conducted them, to make daily comments of outrage about the Spanish Inquisition? And anyone who doesn't has no right to complain about Barack Obama's failure to prosecute the torturers, or his admonishment of critics for being 'sanctimonius'?

Again, your use of these people and their suffering as a shield for some politician is distasteful in the extreme. I understand you adore this president, but this is just offensive nonsense.

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Response to Marr (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:10 AM

37. Yikes!

The Spanish Inquisition???? Where the hell did that come from? You are so far over the map here.

And Marr, who are "these people" that you are talking about? The Iraqis that were tortured under Bush? Or are you referring to the black men being tortured and murdered in the US? I will give you the names if you do not know who they are.

Again, your use of these people and their suffering as a shield for some politician is distasteful in the extreme. I understand you adore this president, but this is just offensive nonsense.


My "use of these people as a shield"???? Dear goddess, you can't even seem to name them and you accuse me of using them?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:20 AM

39. You act like I'm making it up. You *just* posted it.

 

"I have seen lots of outrage blaming this President for torture that he had no part of. Yet the torture of PoC, where the hell are they?"

"...those that condemn this President on his "said stance for torture" crickets on PoC being tortured. Fucking crickets!"


It's hard to take you seriously when you deny saying things you *just* said.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:54 PM

7. No one's doing a perp walk...

Meanwhile…

See "we tortured some folks…" https://soundcloud.com/lelink

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:16 AM

12. Yes we sure as hell did torture some folks under BUSHCO

Where is/was your outrage for the torture of POC then and what is going on now? You can not be concerned about the Bush Cheney torture and not show your outrage for the torture of POC here and now. That would be hypocritical to say the very least.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 08:15 AM

41. Do I need to drag out all the rage for you from BushCo, sheshe2?

Really? You want me to fish out all the posts from the Bush administration? I have to prove this to you?

Go fish if you are that interested. It's there in full regalia. That this far into the denial of BushCo, and even that fuck Cheney last night is the FACT that we cannot let torture go without consequence, else the United States of America will be see AND TREATED as the country that thinks American Exceptionalism trumps any international law.

Personally, I don't care WHO'S administration is in control at this point. You can't have it both ways. Deal with this fact, and maybe you'll see the objective here of putting our money where our mouth is.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:03 AM

9. A long history in the US against people of color


The Wounded Knee Massacre - 29 December 1890
Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota.

Wounded Knee Massacre site - 1890

Read more: http://lbha.proboards.com/thread/3555#ixzz3Lw42zPH7





I also have a connection to "I am a Man". They and I are AFSCME members.

http://www.afscme.org/union/history/mlk



Photo Credit: Richard L. Copley

On April 3, 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. traveled to Memphis to support AFSCME sanitation workers. That evening, he delivered his famous “I’ve Been to the Mountaintop” speech to a packed room of supporters. The next day, he was assassinated.

Read the full “Mountaintop” speech: http://www.afscme.org/union/history/mlk/ive-been-to-the-mountaintop-by-dr-martin-luther-king-jr



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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:07 AM

11. Thanks Steve

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:51 AM

25. Thank you Steve

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:32 AM

15. Pat Buchanan: Slavery Best Thing Ever to Happen to Blacks

By D Wreck - Mar 22, 2008

Barack Obama's speech this past week illuminated aspects of the racial divide in this country in a nuanced and respectful manner. This speech offered an opening for dialogue:



Transcript here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/us/politics/18text-obama.html?scp=2&sq=obama+speech+text&st=nyt&_r=0

Pat Buchanan has offered his response.

America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.


Blah, blah, blah, STFU Pat! Go to the link to see the link to the piece in it entirely - this is the source of white people who call Obama divisive and firing up racism from blacks. They should take a look in the damn mirror.

More of the article here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/22/482071/-Pat-Buchanan-Slavery-Best-Thing-Ever-to-Happen-to-Blacks



Did Mr. Buchanan miss this photograph? Did his family come to these shores in chains and emaciated? Did he live under Jim Crow? Were members of this family sold off for profit, his maternal ancestors raped, were they subject to terrorism of the night riders and mobs who robbed and lynched them?

They worked themselves up from the pit of hell to whatever they have - nothing was given to them, their lives and the fruit of their labor stolen. Their families stolen, their language and their history. They came here like POWs, have continued to be treated so. Too many have been too comfortable for too long.

Those nostalgic about the rights of states and liberty and freedom and want to 'restore' the United States to pre-Civil War status, can all go straight to hell.

Good OP, Sheshe. Thanks for taking the conversation back to where it needs to be. We have a lot to work on.

JMHO.

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Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:16 AM

22. WTF are you talking about?

you're using the deaths of thousands--millions--to say that those outraged by torture

and its coverup and praise "only wish to blame the black man in office": you're flat-out saying that torture critics are racist for their criticism of torture (or for not appending "and also the Blacks" whenever they oppose child rape): ALSO you're admitting that Obama's defending these people, because how else would "the black man in office" be involved had he not been praising and excusing these child rapists?



What an ugly outrageous attack on me.

you're using the deaths of thousands--millions--to say that those outraged by torture


No I never said that this is what I said

There are two major crimes front and forward in the news right now. Bush, Cheney and their ilk should be tried for war crimes for torture. I agree and angry what they did was so wrong and a crime against humanity. There is immense outrage here about that and yes once again blaming this President for it all with all the hatred that can be tossed his way.


When did I call you a racist? Sadly you missed the whole point this is a Bush Cheney crime never Obama's yet he is being blamed for it.

And then you say

you're flat-out saying that torture critics are racist for their criticism of torture (or for not appending "and also the Blacks" whenever they oppose child rape): ALSO you're admitting that Obama's defending these people, because how else would "the black man in office" be involved had he not been praising and excusing these child rapists?


Dear Gawd...you say he and therefore I defend child rapists? WTF?

Then you wish me to my grave? Thank you so very much for your compassion for a fellow human being. I buried two close family members two weeks ago. I would never wish death on anyone. Your post is so incredibly ugly. Is this what DU has become? If so it is no longer the place for me.

Tears that you would be so cruel.

go to your grave knowing that



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:04 AM

29. Sheshe, let the accusations ride off your back. Some people don't know you.

Nor do they know the spirit in which you make your posts. Just ignore that stuff.

Some are using the suffering of black people to make their own points, refusing them to speak. Here is a thread for example:

LaShonda K 
ABOUT THIS… Just MY Thoughts…

http://www.dailycal.org/2014/12/13/effigy-apparent-lynching-hung-sather-gate-saturday-morning/


There were several cardboard cutouts depicting lynching victims found on various parts of UC Berkeley’s campus this morning. We (Black Folks at Berkeley) don’t know who placed them there and what the motive was behind it. I have verified this Myself with Black student leadership!

During the #BlackLivesMatter and #Ferguson2Cal movement on UC Berkeley’s campus and in the surrounding area, non-Black led groups have latched onto the movement as well. Some have turned this movement into other movements and some are just using their privileges to irresponsibly protest ‘a cause’ because they can… 


While it is true that #AllLivesMatter… That statement is synonymous to statements such as #IDontSeeColor and I am #ColorBlind. These statements water down the focus that #BlackLivesMatter.

Historically we were considered a ‘fraction’ of a person, and we are talking about BLACK lives at the moment… Although All Lives DO matter, some people don’t even consider My life, or any other Black person to constitute a ‘full’ life… or a life worthy of Mattering. 


There is a Peaceful and Well-Organized Rally & March being held right now by our Black Student Union and other things scheduled for this weekend.
 I am almost willing to bet a certain extremist group may have had something to do with it. There were more than one and they depicted actual lynching victims with names.

OUR Black student leadership did not do this and it was not part of anything I am aware of. 
It’s really difficult when ‘Other people’ take ‘OUR’ matters into THEIR own hands and do things like this. Ultimately, lynchings are a very sensitive subject and I wish people would STAY IN THEIR LANE when trying to ‘support’ a cause or movement.


Putting up things like this overnight, with no people or literature to explain the history is Reckless and Inciting Confusion and Anger on a #NationalDayofAction… We don’t know if this is in “Solidarity” or a Sign/Threat… Again, I appreciate true “ally-ship”, but people need to chill… #LetUSTellOURStory #StayInYourLane
#BlackatCal #Ferguson2Cal #BlackLivesMatter #Berkeley #BerkeleyAlum

**

From this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025955939

Don't fall into traps of those who'd use your OP to hide behind black suffering. That is what your article is really about. Let it go, sweet. You have so much grief in your life right now and trouble, overworked, in pain, worried and yet you care.

**That is actually one paragraph, but I broke it up for clarity and emphasized the strongest part of the message for those who read it.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:31 AM

34. Thank you for your beautiful response, freshwest.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:56 AM

19. I have repeatedly voiced my outrage about

Both situations over and over. Both here and everywhere I go.
I am thoroughly disgusted with the stupidity in this country.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:00 AM

20. I generally avoid your threads...

because I find them hysterical and not conducive to serious discussion.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:36 AM

24. then trash them...

the term hysterical is often used by a man to shut a woman down when they speak the truth~

I would love to see you link to my "hysterical posts" 'cause I got to say I am curious what your term "hysterical" means.

I will wait while you collect the links.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 04:03 AM

40. That was a drive by, let it go.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:17 AM

38. I'm still waiting for your links....

Gotta go soon. Will read them in the morning.

I know hysterical females post many threads. I understand why it may take you time to gather them all.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:10 AM

21. k&r...

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:23 AM

23. I agree

Except for the "blaming this President" for torture. I blame the President for allowing it to go unpunished. And so should everyone because he is. There's no two ways around that.

Both things are outrageous. Both things are horrible and both things should cause everyone to demand justice.

K&R

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:02 AM

26. Hooray for histrionics?

All lives matter to me. No boundaries, not skin color, gender, nor species.

This, however, seems a bit over the top, considering. Not judging the intent or the message, just the delivery.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:03 AM

28. Trash the thread then.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:07 AM

30. Why?

I don't suffer fools gladly, but I do enjoy watching from afar.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:09 AM

32. I love watching fools up close and in their face.

I find them amusing.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:08 AM

31. There is no Kennedy family or Lindon Johnston

or people high in the government who are inspired and willing to do what they did.

The blacks can't do it alone and even Obama is not the right man to correct the situation without being accused of favoritism. He and AG Holder can see that crimes are investigated fairly with new laws, but the breakdown between the law and people of color is becoming worse all the time. And these incidences are heart-breaking.

We all feel bad about what's happening, but we are old, poor, sick, and the robust healthy whites who are without power, money or popularity can do nothing but march. And that gets tired so that people don't watch....unless there are disruptions and riots.

Some people in power have to step up to the plate and think of ways to improve life for everyone. But who? I don't know.

These things come in cycles, I hope the time is coming soon with new leadership.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:29 AM

33. Just want to add something about leadership

Many blacks have appealed to the UN and much of the world likens us to Nazis...Maybe some sanctions will be placed on the US. I have no idea what that would entail, but it is sure embarrassing to be called out on human rights when we cry about N. Korea, Moslem countries, etc.

Something has to happen.

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