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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:33 PM Dec 2011

You get to amend the Constitution...

List your one simple and succinct change to the existing document.

For instance, electoral college members shall be apportioned by each state's representation in the house. (Leaving out the senate)


Go for it.

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You get to amend the Constitution... (Original Post) cthulu2016 Dec 2011 OP
Senate votes will be weighted by population. TheWraith Dec 2011 #1
We call that the 'House of Representatives' Richardo Dec 2011 #2
Still disproportionate. joshcryer Dec 2011 #4
+1 Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #5
Which is irrelevant, since the Senate is the problem. TheWraith Dec 2011 #7
Which is precisely how it was designed. Richardo Dec 2011 #12
I'm with TheWraith on this one. The U.S. Senate is a profoundly anti-democratic (lower-case 'd') coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #22
Bicameralism. It is a good idea in principle. joshcryer Dec 2011 #25
How about Peregrine Dec 2011 #26
That is a really cool idea that defuses a good deal of my coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #28
That's cool. cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #29
I find this interesting. TheWraith Dec 2011 #32
That's a really good idea Aerows Dec 2011 #37
Thanks. The Senate is the biggest problem in US government, I think. TheWraith Dec 2011 #33
No legal entity shall be bestowed with any right nor any privilege Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #3
Reapportionment shall be 50k people per rep. joshcryer Dec 2011 #6
I like this one gratuitous Dec 2011 #14
Agreed, but 50k per rep is too far. TheWraith Dec 2011 #16
An effective jobs program, at least cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #17
George Washington thought 30k was reasonable. joshcryer Dec 2011 #21
Yes, but back then the population of the United States was like 2.5 million. TheWraith Dec 2011 #38
I think that 70-100k is reasonable, but I think Washington was speaking ideologically. joshcryer Dec 2011 #39
I would not change anything. It's fine the way it is. badtoworse Dec 2011 #8
Nonsense Courtesy Flush Dec 2011 #40
All elections at the Federal level shall be funded LiberalEsto Dec 2011 #9
Yup, Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #30
Yes, it would fix a whole hell of a lot that closeupready Dec 2011 #44
And ban soft money. Angleae Dec 2011 #41
Congressional representation shall be elected on an "at large" basis in each state. cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #10
Spelling lessons for all. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #11
The extra m is for marbury v. madison cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #13
!! Richardo Dec 2011 #20
No vowels. And we should switch to a nice, sans serif font. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #15
Where are you going to store all that left over vowel removement? Bucky Dec 2011 #45
Amendment Section 1 [A corporation is not a person and can be regulated] Zorra Dec 2011 #18
I wonder if in your ammendment "artifical" should be something like ... JoePhilly Dec 2011 #23
This all gets tricky in terms of interstate commerce cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #19
Corporate "personhood" would be abolished. hifiguy Dec 2011 #24
Two changes DavidDvorkin Dec 2011 #31
End corporate personhood Prophet 451 Dec 2011 #34
The laws of The United States of America must safeguard a strict separation of Church and State. Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #35
Pay to Play Waltons_Mtn Dec 2011 #36
Free Pizza Fridays Norrin Radd Dec 2011 #42
Amend it so that all campaigns are publicly financed. closeupready Dec 2011 #43

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
1. Senate votes will be weighted by population.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:35 PM
Dec 2011

So that Wyoming, with 550,000 people, no longer gets exactly as much representation as California with 37 million.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
7. Which is irrelevant, since the Senate is the problem.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:41 PM
Dec 2011

Senators representing a quarter of the US population can hold up all business.

Richardo

(38,391 posts)
12. Which is precisely how it was designed.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:58 PM
Dec 2011

To counter-balance the potential for big-state dominance in the HR.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
22. I'm with TheWraith on this one. The U.S. Senate is a profoundly anti-democratic (lower-case 'd')
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:08 PM
Dec 2011

institution, since voters in Wyoming or Alabama receive more Senatorial representation per-capita than voters in California or New York State.

I really don't care that the Senate was designed to protect the interests of Southern slave states as their price for agreeing to enter the United States.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
25. Bicameralism. It is a good idea in principle.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:12 PM
Dec 2011

Slows progress a lot though.

I would suggest tripling the number of Senators a state has.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
28. That is a really cool idea that defuses a good deal of my
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:21 PM
Dec 2011

complaint with the Senate as currently constructed. I especially like the 'elected nationally' part.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
32. I find this interesting.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:52 PM
Dec 2011

There's a lot of ways to redesign a legislature that haven't been considered. At-large elections, proportional voting... hell, you could have one body that's elected, and another that's chosen at random from a body of volunteers, like jury duty. Someone gets chosen, does their two years, and they're out. No competitions over fundraising, no reelection campaigns, just pure representation.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. That's a really good idea
Fri Dec 23, 2011, 04:33 PM
Dec 2011

The Senate is hamstrung by filibusters, and we should get rid of those, too.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
33. Thanks. The Senate is the biggest problem in US government, I think.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:03 PM
Dec 2011

The House can easily switch hands back and forth. But in the Senate, even majority control isn't enough to do anything. Not even something controversial, just ANYTHING. It's profoundly contrary to the ability of a representative democracy to get anything done when a sub-minority, representing a one out of four people in the country, can exercise veto power over every single damn thing that's going on.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. No legal entity shall be bestowed with any right nor any privilege
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:38 PM
Dec 2011

reserved for citizens of the United States of America.

Nor shall they enjoy any right or privilege recognized as basic to all human beings.


TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
16. Agreed, but 50k per rep is too far.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:02 PM
Dec 2011

At that ratio, the House would contain almost 6,200 representatives.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
21. George Washington thought 30k was reasonable.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:07 PM
Dec 2011

Yeah, it'd be like a Galactic Congress, but who cares, right? I want fair representation!

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
38. Yes, but back then the population of the United States was like 2.5 million.
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 10:26 AM
Dec 2011

That's about as many people as now live in Upstate New York between Buffalo and the Genesee River in Rochester.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
39. I think that 70-100k is reasonable, but I think Washington was speaking ideologically.
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 05:35 PM
Dec 2011

It was hard for them to be able to see a Rep being able to Represent so many people back then. With technology it's arguably a bit easier, but there becomes a point where technology itself creates a human disconnect between Representatives and the people, so you wind up with one Rep per million people.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
40. Nonsense
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 06:21 PM
Dec 2011

It's not a holy document. It has been amended many times in our history, and even multiple times in my lifetime.

The corporate personhood ban would be my suggestion.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
9. All elections at the Federal level shall be funded
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:44 PM
Dec 2011

with federal tax dollars only.

Use of private money or donations is forbidden.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
30. Yup,
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:33 PM
Dec 2011

That fixes absolutely everything. Take away the money train & the constant need for fundraising & we get a Congress that works for the People.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
44. Yes, it would fix a whole hell of a lot that
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 05:46 AM
Dec 2011

is wrong about Congress and our corrupt system with an approval rating of 9%.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
10. Congressional representation shall be elected on an "at large" basis in each state.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 05:45 PM
Dec 2011

Eliminating cngressinal districts would reduce minority representation but increase minority influence while eliminating partisan gerrymandering.

This is a highly debatable change but I see no way to mandate that congressional districts be fair or even-handed that cannot be gamed.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
15. No vowels. And we should switch to a nice, sans serif font.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:01 PM
Dec 2011

And that Hancock guy's ego needs to be checked. Just write it the same size as the rest of the signatures.

Me? I'd make sure it was clear that the 2nd Amendment applied to the citizens militias we might need to form from time to time, and not beyond.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
18. Amendment Section 1 [A corporation is not a person and can be regulated]
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:03 PM
Dec 2011

The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only.

Artificial entities, such as corporations, limited liability companies, and other entities, established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights under this Constitution and are subject to regulation by the People, through Federal, State, or local law.

The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by the People, through Federal, State, or local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable.

Section 2 [Money is not speech and can be regulated]

Federal, State and local government shall regulate, limit, or prohibit contributions and expenditures, including a candidate’s own contributions and expenditures, for the purpose of influencing in any way the election of any candidate for public office or any ballot measure.

Federal, State and local government shall require that any permissible contributions and expenditures be publicly disclosed.

The judiciary shall not construe the spending of money to influence elections to be speech under the First Amendment.

Section 3

Nothing contained in this amendment shall be construed to abridge the freedom of the press.

http://movetoamend.org/amendment

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. I wonder if in your ammendment "artifical" should be something like ...
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:10 PM
Dec 2011

"Legal entities" ... "Entities created via laws and legislation ..."

Bottom line ... if an entity exists only because laws allow its creation, its not a person, and does not have all of the same rights and protections as a person.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
27. This all gets tricky in terms of interstate commerce
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:18 PM
Dec 2011

Not saying it's wrong, just noting some of the hurdles in darfting such a thing.

Corporations must have universal personhood for normal business purposes -- only a "person" can sue or be sued, owe taxes, sign contracts, etc..

And you would not want individual states to be able to interfere with that core legal fiction.

The danger is that ammending the constitution calls a lot of precedent into question--precedent that is part of the constitution despite not being in the constitution.

But it's a very worthwhile idea. I would tend to focus primarily on the election finance part.

Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Corporate "personhood" would be abolished.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:11 PM
Dec 2011

Constitutional rights would apply only to natural persons.

DavidDvorkin

(19,468 posts)
31. Two changes
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
Dec 2011

Because both are important to me.

Eliminate the Electoral College and switch to direct election of the president.

Eliminate the requirement that the president be a natural-born citizen. Just require that the president be a citizen.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
34. End corporate personhood
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 07:25 PM
Dec 2011

And write the amendment in such a way that A) it prevents corporations from ever being treated as constitutional "persons" and B) bars any and all political contributions, in cash or in kind.

I have a bunch of other suggestions as well.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
35. The laws of The United States of America must safeguard a strict separation of Church and State.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 08:35 PM
Dec 2011

Because the Government of The United States of America is in now way based on religion.

Waltons_Mtn

(345 posts)
36. Pay to Play
Fri Dec 23, 2011, 10:04 AM
Dec 2011

My Amendment would be that to donate money, goods or services to any elected official, be it school board member or POTUS, you must be able to legally vote for that official.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
43. Amend it so that all campaigns are publicly financed.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 05:45 AM
Dec 2011

And use of private money and lobbying are strictly forbidden.

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