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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:01 PM Dec 2014

Is Obama A Liberal?

I'm seeing a lot of complaining about the budget deal right now. So here's a simple question, do you consider Obama a liberal? Feel free to explain your answer (or not) if you like.

24 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
0 (0%)
No, he's a moderate
0 (0%)
No, he's a conservative
1 (4%)
No, he's centre-right
17 (71%)
No, he's centre-left
2 (8%)
He's a Communist
0 (0%)
He's a Fascist
0 (0%)
He's a Socialist
0 (0%)
1 (4%)
But why is the rum gone?
3 (13%)
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Is Obama A Liberal? (Original Post) Prophet 451 Dec 2014 OP
Nope Brigid Dec 2014 #1
He said he considers himself a moderate republican. Check the tape: NOVA_Dem Dec 2014 #2
He's to the right of Nixon. hifiguy Dec 2014 #5
Yes, to both of these self-declared descriptions LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #7
The truth is what it is. hifiguy Dec 2014 #12
You're about as good at misqouting as Fox News, here... n/t moriah Dec 2014 #23
Not at all. nt cyberswede Dec 2014 #3
depends on what the meaning of "is" is. unblock Dec 2014 #4
He's Center-Right, just not as hawkish as Hillary. nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2014 #6
Exactly, which is why I don't support her either. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #10
honestly, that is a fucking insult Skittles Dec 2014 #8
He's not. He's much further to the Right than I am. Xyzse Dec 2014 #9
He liberally supports the status quo n/t whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #11
No doubt right of center. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #13
Where's "Wall Street tool?" polichick Dec 2014 #14
Corporatist? benz380 Dec 2014 #17
Yes, that would be the polite version. polichick Dec 2014 #19
I consider him to be a moderate (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #15
No... sendero Dec 2014 #16
You misspelled "center"... Wounded Bear Dec 2014 #18
Isn't "centre" also correct? benz380 Dec 2014 #21
If you live in England... Wounded Bear Dec 2014 #22
In my defence, I'm British Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #33
Are YOU a liberal? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #20
why is the rum "always" gone ..... NM_Birder Dec 2014 #24
Skittles drank it all. bigwillq Dec 2014 #25
I see an ass kicking in your future.... nt grasswire Dec 2014 #26
Skittles is all talk. bigwillq Dec 2014 #27
ok grasswire Dec 2014 #28
I can't believe Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2014 #29
Ugh! Derek V Dec 2014 #30
It's unclear what the word "Liberal" means these days. Lionel Mandrake Dec 2014 #31
There are still people who think he's a liberal? LittleBlue Dec 2014 #32
He's a competent centrist. hunter Dec 2014 #34


(33,688 posts)
5. He's to the right of Nixon.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:24 PM
Dec 2014

Though Nixon was ever an opportunist and never an ideologue. But he is definitely to the right of Nixon. Eisenhower, too.


(5,213 posts)
7. Yes, to both of these self-declared descriptions
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:28 PM
Dec 2014

Yet, I've actually had the pom-pom squad on here tell me Obama was wrong about his own self descriptions!



(33,688 posts)
12. The truth is what it is.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:31 PM
Dec 2014

Some choose to queue up for more Kool-Aid. Not this cowboy. Not any more. And I had such high hopes in 2008.


(53,140 posts)
4. depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:09 PM
Dec 2014

i think he might, years from now, in his memoirs, say that he was always a liberal at heart and tried to be as liberal as he thought he could get away with.

however, in practice, he's a pragmatist who stays within the range of what he thinks the prevailing political climate is; as such, he has presided as a center-right president. due to the state of the media and of campaign finance, it's understandable that he might have concluded that he couldn't win or effectively preside as an outright liberal.

of course, one could certainly argue that what's in his heart hardly matters if he tells no one until well after he retires. so, i voted for "center-right".


(8,217 posts)
9. He's not. He's much further to the Right than I am.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:28 PM
Dec 2014

I considered myself a moderate, but in recent years what I thought was moderate is now considered Far Left Liberal.

Makes me quite a bit concerned about that by the way.

Depending on how I am now categorized, Obama could either be at the center, center right, or conservative.
Actually, strike the conservative part... Obama is not stupid, and I now equate conservative with stupid.

Wounded Bear

(59,312 posts)
18. You misspelled "center"...
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:08 PM
Dec 2014

But, yeah, he's pretty much center-right from a historical perspective. He reflects the right-ward movement of American politics in general. Our choices of late have been that, between far right and center right. I've always thought of myself as being pretty centrist, but the center has shoved so far right, they seem comfortable labeling me a screaming liberal. And there's no push back from the media in all this.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,099 posts)
31. It's unclear what the word "Liberal" means these days.
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

Like most people, Obama is left of center on some issues and right of center on other issues.

It's simplistic to suppose that all politicians, or all people, can be placed on a continuum from Left to Right. That's like belief in the Great Chain of Being, a concept which, like belief in diabolical witchcraft, is evident in Shakespeare's MacBeth.

The great chain of being (Latin: scala naturae, literally "ladder/stair-way of nature&quot , is a concept derived from Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, and Proclus; further developed during the Middle Ages, it reached full expression in early modern Neoplatonism.[1] [2] It details a strict, religious hierarchical structure of all matter and life, believed to have been decreed by God. The chain starts from God and progresses downward to angels, demons (fallen/renegade angels), stars, moon, kings, princes, nobles, men, wild animals, domesticated animals, trees, other plants, precious stones, precious metals, and other minerals.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

Just as a single continuum is inadequate to describe the variety of animals, plants, minerals, etc., a single continuum is inadequate to describe the variety of political views.


(38,570 posts)
34. He's a competent centrist.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:10 PM
Dec 2014

"Center" in the USA isn't anything to brag about, since 35 to 40% of our population are mass media driven meme-bots, but competent is much better than meat puppet Reagan/Bush/Bush, or God forbid, McCain and Romney.

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