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Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:36 AM

Cheney Throws Bush Under The Bus:"He Was In Fact An Integral Part Of The (Torture) Program"

Dick Cheney discussed the newly released Senate torture report Wednesday on Fox News, and in particular challenged a finding that former President George W. Bush hadn't been briefed on the CIA's harsh interrogation methods until years after they'd already been in use.

Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked the former vice president whether the agency deliberately kept Bush in the dark about its so-called enhanced interrogation techniques.

"Not true. Didn't happen," Cheney responded. "Read his book, he talks about it extensively in his memoirs. He was in fact an integral part of the program, he had to approve it before we went forward with it."

Asked if there was ever a point where he knew more about the CIA's activity than the President, Cheney said "I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-george-w-bush-knew-about-torture-program


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Reply Cheney Throws Bush Under The Bus:"He Was In Fact An Integral Part Of The (Torture) Program" (Original post)
kpete Dec 2014 OP
brush Dec 2014 #1
jeff47 Dec 2014 #23
brush Dec 2014 #43
calimary Dec 2014 #44
brush Dec 2014 #49
belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #2
heaven05 Dec 2014 #4
IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2014 #8
yellowcanine Dec 2014 #14
belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #18
tecelote Dec 2014 #71
Gman Dec 2014 #17
jwirr Dec 2014 #39
Duval Dec 2014 #50
R B Garr Dec 2014 #57
Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #66
diabeticman Dec 2014 #3
IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2014 #9
mariawr Dec 2014 #5
Octafish Dec 2014 #6
jmowreader Dec 2014 #63
Octafish Dec 2014 #68
tridim Dec 2014 #7
Scootaloo Dec 2014 #13
RiverLover Dec 2014 #10
riqster Dec 2014 #40
Rex Dec 2014 #11
ImaPolitico Dec 2014 #64
yellowcanine Dec 2014 #12
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #19
yellowcanine Dec 2014 #21
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #22
Number23 Dec 2014 #54
tecelote Dec 2014 #72
Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #20
mountain grammy Dec 2014 #15
another_liberal Dec 2014 #51
uponit7771 Dec 2014 #16
hedgehog Dec 2014 #24
maddiemom Dec 2014 #36
olddots Dec 2014 #25
maddiemom Dec 2014 #37
samsingh Dec 2014 #26
samsingh Dec 2014 #27
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #28
SayitAintSo Dec 2014 #29
SoapBox Dec 2014 #30
another_liberal Dec 2014 #31
certainot Dec 2014 #32
another_liberal Dec 2014 #33
maddiemom Dec 2014 #38
another_liberal Dec 2014 #41
certainot Dec 2014 #58
another_liberal Dec 2014 #67
certainot Dec 2014 #69
jwirr Dec 2014 #34
TBF Dec 2014 #35
KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #42
malaise Dec 2014 #45
hedgehog Dec 2014 #47
kentuck Dec 2014 #46
csziggy Dec 2014 #55
silvershadow Dec 2014 #48
JDDavis Dec 2014 #52
Number23 Dec 2014 #53
Name removed Dec 2014 #60
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duhbyas pet goat Dec 2014 #56
1000words Dec 2014 #59
roamer65 Dec 2014 #61
Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #65
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:44 AM

1. This is Cheney's way of signalling . . .

Last edited Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

"if I go down, I'm not going down alone."

Don't you just love 'ol heartless Dick. (Sarcasm gif needed here. Someone pls post the code)

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Response to brush (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 11:31 AM

23. There's two ways to put the sarcasm tag in.

First, you can click on the "smilies" button between the title and message text. It's in there. You'll have to click the ... button to get the larger smilies.

The other way is to type : sarcasm : (without spaces between the :'s and the word-I have to add spaces or it will render the gif.).

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:55 PM

43. Thanks, Jeff. nt

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Response to brush (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:55 PM

44. I find it hard to believe dubya WASN'T involved

Or did not know anything. Fucker sure loved torturing frogs when he was a kid. It's often pointed out that kids who treat animals savagely can often be expected to be sadistic to people when they grow up. I believe it. Seems to me NO WAY he didn't know exactly what was being done. Probably relished it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:06 PM

49. Yep! They all knew.

Now the fu_kers don't want to own up to it, except Cheney.

He's still defending torture.

Because of him, W, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al, we've lost all moral authority and now are looked at as a tortured nation that doesn't punish the torturers.

If that stands it just signals that we think it's okay and we'll do it again at some point.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:01 AM

2. this could mean he knew nothing

 

"I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."

he needed to know nothing and wanted to know nothing

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Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:08 AM

4. exactly

 

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:20 AM

8. yep...


... a, "known unknown", or an, "unknown known", or ...

PS: Yes, this is a hint at the, "other guy".

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Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:35 AM

14. Yeah I noticed that but that could just be the dickster trying to have it both ways.

He still wants people to see him as the "brains" behind the War on Terra, even though it was a shitstorm.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:57 AM

18. yea he's carefully parsing his words

 

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Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:03 PM

71. Here's a word he isn't using...

Snitch!

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Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:55 AM

17. Or "I told him...

What I thought he needed to know..."

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Response to Gman (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:53 PM

39. Poppie Bush did not know where he was on a certain day either. He only knew what he needed to.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:54 PM

50. You are right, jwrr.

 

I had a picture of him right there in Dallas, but unable to find it, darn it.

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Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 12:42 AM

57. Yup, Bush was just a throwaway all along.

It's not like they needed him for anything except Daddy's name.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:57 AM

66. He was a figurehead, just like Reagan.

Dubya Bush could have been a Chihuahua, and the Republicans would have voted for him in droves all the same!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:06 AM

3. ...




Okay, we are suppose to believe that the man who thought GOD (Cheney) was speaking to him (Through the intercom system) was the mastermind of all this.

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Response to diabeticman (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:22 AM

9. Good one...


...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:09 AM

5. Criminals too.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:12 AM

6. Awesome.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:10 AM

63. On the Curious George Wikipedia page...

And now, to make it a little more mysterious, in the TV show "Curious George, a Christmas Monkey" (2009), George and the Man with the Yellow Hat are seen sending out Christmas cards. The Man with the Yellow Hat signs the card with a "W" then George puts his hand print on the card and seals it. What could the "W" be for?

Oh dear, what COULD it be for?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #63)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 09:39 AM

68. Golly, jmowreader, now I'm getting scared.

CG's creators were wonderful people.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:19 AM

7. Fine, Dick, you can take idiotboy down with you.

Please proceed, you piece of shit.

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Response to tridim (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:33 AM

13. Take him down? What do you think this is, a nation with laws or something?

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:25 AM

10. The puppet-master blames the puppet. Adorable. nt

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:14 PM

40. In related news, Edgar Bergen calls Charlie McCarthy "rude",

And Shari Lewis tells us what an asshole Charlie Horse was...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:28 AM

11. LOL! Dick Cheney is an immoral, backstabbing, warmongering traitor!?

 

Who could have guessed!

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Response to Rex (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:56 AM

64. Well, that is putting it mildly.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:32 AM

12. Well on this one I think the dickster is correct. Bush had to know.

The CIA would not have dared to do it otherwise. As CIC, he had to sign off on it.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:58 AM

19. That's how it is SUPPOSED to work ...

 

not necessarily how it DID work.

I can think of plenty of structures where the "head" is NOT the "head" and decisions of any consequence are made by those that everyone in the organization recognize as having the true power, and the "head" was merely tolerated, so long as they did what they were told/played their impotent position.

It would take much to convince me that this is what the bush Whitehouse looked/operated like.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 11:12 AM

21. I am not saying Bush knew the finer details of what he signed off on.

But he knew. It was likely called "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" and maybe he chose not to know exactly what that meant. But he still signed off.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 11:15 AM

22. Yes ...

 

in the same way a Corporate CEO signs off on multi-party deals, without knowing anything but the most basic parts of the deal.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:28 PM

54. Not only is Cheney saying that Bush knew, the dang CIA is saying it too

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Response to Number23 (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:09 PM

72. I suspect Bush heard a lot of it.

Knowing is different. He's definitely not the brightest in the bunch.

Cheney knew.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:59 AM

20. +1

The media is working overtime at removing bush responsibility to any of his crimes. They must whitewash so they can put another one in the wh.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:53 AM

15. Well, we can take 'loyalty' off the list of attributes for old Dick

as if it was ever there in the first place.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:29 PM

51. Dick Cheney is loyal . . .

 

Loyal to the Halliburton Corporation, that is.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:55 AM

16. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 11:45 AM

24. And the back-stabbing begins.......

Sounds like Cheney is worried about more than his legacy.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:47 PM

36. I don't think Cheney was ever worried about his legacy,

in the sense that, say, Richard Nixon was. Either that, or he wants to be remembered as the sort of bad-ass that, in his twisted mind, is a GOOD thing.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 11:49 AM

25. I never knew what hate was till Cheney came along

 

He is unbelievably evil ,now he is ratting out on his enablers .

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Response to olddots (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:48 PM

37. Same here.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:11 PM

26. kick 1million times

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:12 PM

27. if this went to trial i would bet one of them would cut a deal

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:13 PM

28. He just didn't want Jeb Bush to get the jump on him and point THAT finger first...

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:17 PM

29. Lying POS...

Interesting.... He has NONE of the loyalty that he required of Scooter Libby.....wonder what ol' Scooter thinks about that...will he ever talk?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:29 PM

30. The whole BushCo. Regime was made up of liars.

Orange jumpsuits and shackles are too good for the lot.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:34 PM

31. I bet George W. wishes he'd given Scooter Libby a full pardon now!

 

One should know better than to cross a dick like Cheney lightly.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:37 PM

32. cheney covered his ass with 911 too, but he didn't tell him the

planes were going to end up hitting buildings, just that they would end up on tamacs around the country and bush could order the raids that would free the passengers

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Response to certainot (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:40 PM

33. That does sound just about right, in regard to 9/11 anyway . . .

 

As to the torture, however, there are rumors that those waterboarding videos the CIA destroyed were made for W.'s personal enjoyment.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:53 PM

38. More fun than blowing up frogs?

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Response to maddiemom (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:26 PM

41. Most kids quickly grow out of their enjoyment of cruelty . . .

 

Others, I guess, never do.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 12:45 AM

58. i wouldn't be surprised nt

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Response to certainot (Reply #58)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 09:30 AM

67. No less than Gary Trudeau, creator of "Doonesbury" . . .

 

Has stated that when he and W. were both students at Harvard, W. presided over the branding of his fellow fraternity brothers on their butts with red hot clothes hangers. The story was apparently broken by a student publication there.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #67)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 11:03 AM

69. ah yes, the good old days. before that he liked blowing frogs up. then they put him in the

white house where he could really cut loose.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:44 PM

34. An above OP by Judi Lynn presents an article about the CIA being involved in Latin America

torture in the 80s. That is the era that Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" details the work of the Chicago Boys (University of Chicago grads) and trickle down austerity in that area. That was the era that American economic organizations tested the idea of "disaster capitalism" out in Latin America. They used torture against Labor Union leaders and others who protested against the austerity measures use in this test. Many victims just plain disappeared.

I think all we need to do is follow the dots. Papa Bush was VP and was once CIA. No one named him directly but many assume that he had more to do with the South American wars etc going on then than raygun did. Just like Cheney had much to do with W.

If the above is true then there is no reason that his son would not follow his lead and use torture as part of his grand plan. Both Cheney and W were involved.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:46 PM

35. I'd expect no less -

from the guy who shoots his friends on hunting expeditions

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:33 PM

42. No honor among theives (or some such) comes to mind here - nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:57 PM

45. Brennan has thrown both of them under the bus as well as Yoo, Gonzo et al

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Response to malaise (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:01 PM

47. I'm listening to Brennan speak, and I think you are 100% correct.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:59 PM

46. Circling the wagons...

like crap in the commode...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:33 PM

55. now THAT is a great mixed metaphor!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:41 PM

48. Good. Maybe it was the bus to the Hague. nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:14 PM

52. Cheney rubs salt in the Bush-is-a-liar wound on Fox News

 

Then tries to justify using torture again.

Yes, I love it when Republicans eat their fellow Republicans.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Dec 11, 2014, 09:26 PM

53. Another post that is able to stay focused and not automatically do the DU Pivot of "but HOW

can we blame and/or criticize Obama for this??!"

K&R The world knows under whose watch these horrors happened, even if some here are as confused about that as they are everything else.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:09 AM

62. You ain't said NOTHING but the truth

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 12:28 AM

56. I remember when it was common knowledge around the whitehouse

that dick cheney jerked off to CIA torture videos in the situation room.

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Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:03 AM

61. Send the both to The Hague for war crimes.

Problem solved.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 03:54 AM

65. You can almost hear Cheney cocking his pump shotgun.

"Want to go hunting with me . . now, George?"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:01 PM

70. Bush's "dumb guy" persona was no more than an ACT he put on in front of the camera. No one wanted to

 

believe he was sociopathic EVIL, and that the 8 years of terror was deliberate.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:10 PM

73. When is the current administration going to start to prosecute and hold responsible

those "folks" responsible for torture?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:14 PM

74. Cheney isn't "throwing him under the bus."

He is utterly, 100% certain that they will never be held accountable, so he's spitting in our faces. His certainty is arrogant though, and not entirely justified.

The CIA's attempts to distance Bush from the torture is most likely his father's influence (as a former DCI). HW has a lot more political prudence than either his son or Cheney.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:59 AM

75. break the hearts of Right wingers everywere!

 

"Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me,"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 13, 2014, 06:57 PM

76. Of course Bush knew about the torture.

Both he and Cheney wanted to invade Iraq - at the very least from the moment of Dubya's inauguration. For Cheney, it was delayed gratification. He had wanted a full-scale invasion of Baghdad in 1991 and was PO'ed at Bush Senior and Baker who convinced everyone to back off - for exactly the reasons that we have seen happen since the 2003 invasion. Dick was simply biding his time for a second opportunity and Dubya provided that.

To the extent that torture could make their case for them, both were heartily in favor - be damned to the morality and legality. So no, Dubya does not get a pass.

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